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Postby Southern Liberstania » Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:27 am

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?

I was a Conservative, radicalized into Fascism. I never became a "holocaust denial" or "sieg heil" type of guy, but I was rather more in the Mussolini camp, just more theocratic. The reason I was a Fascist was because, in my eyes, I thought that it was the perfect solution to "ending degeneracy" and enforcing morality.

On NationStates, I ran the Fascist nation Vendellamoore, and wrote a few articles about Fascism for a Fascist region I can't remember the name of. In my eyes, Fascism was really, really misrepresented by the "liberals" and I thought I had a duty to "correct" those misrepresentations. However, in discussions with others, the reality of what Fascism actually is started to catch up with me. I can say I began to feel Fascism was much darker than those who radicalized me claimed it was.

So for a while, I was inactive on Vendellamoore and merely just played on another nation. I got out the same way I got in, I was radicalized in the opposite direction, from Fascism, to Neo-Feudalism, to Paleoconservatism, and then to Libertarianism. I became Libertarian after a lot of discussions about morality and legality with a friend, as well as about authority and law enforcement.

Unfortunately my other online friends never got away from it. One of them is still a Fascist, thinks I've fallen off the deep end and that I "support degeneracy". Still even blames the Jews for everything, which I never understood.

For me, Fascism ended when the dark reality of it set in. Every Fascist I knew became a National Socialist or white supremacist, and at heart I still couldn't accept all of it, especially the hatred that flows from it. Especially being Hispanic, I always felt alienated.

So anyways there's my super long story, now I'm a Libertarian after taking a trip around practically every quadrant on the Political Compass. Now Fascists may disagree with stuff I've said about it, but I'm speaking from observation and experience, not by the theoretical concept of it all
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Postby Transsibiria » Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:09 pm

Southern Liberstania wrote:I was a Conservative, radicalized into Fascism. I never became a "holocaust denial" or "sieg heil" type of guy, but I was rather more in the Mussolini camp, just more theocratic. The reason I was a Fascist was because, in my eyes, I thought that it was the perfect solution to "ending degeneracy" and enforcing morality.


The obsession of fascists with "degeneracy" never ceases to intrigue me.



I know this video since a while and have shown it to many people back then.

Nobody believed it. I could not stop chuckling how they fooled everyone. But it's more likely than you think.
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Postby Old Seeland » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:10 pm

Transsibiria wrote:
Southern Liberstania wrote:I was a Conservative, radicalized into Fascism. I never became a "holocaust denial" or "sieg heil" type of guy, but I was rather more in the Mussolini camp, just more theocratic. The reason I was a Fascist was because, in my eyes, I thought that it was the perfect solution to "ending degeneracy" and enforcing morality.


The obsession of fascists with "degeneracy" never ceases to intrigue me.



I know this video since a while and have shown it to many people back then.

Nobody believed it. I could not stop chuckling how they fooled everyone. But it's more likely than you think.


Degeneracy is just a way people gain power in politics, why do you think they banned degenerative art, but still kept it in museums (so called "degeneracy musems" or something like that) ? Look through the history of mankind, art was always displayed to show people "look how bad it is! this is degenerative!" Fascists knew what cards to play to get to that top position, they couldn't just immediately start killing off competition while rising through the ranks.

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Postby Southern Liberstania » Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:23 am

Transsibiria wrote:
Southern Liberstania wrote:I was a Conservative, radicalized into Fascism. I never became a "holocaust denial" or "sieg heil" type of guy, but I was rather more in the Mussolini camp, just more theocratic. The reason I was a Fascist was because, in my eyes, I thought that it was the perfect solution to "ending degeneracy" and enforcing morality.


The obsession of fascists with "degeneracy" never ceases to intrigue me.



I know this video since a while and have shown it to many people back then.

Nobody believed it. I could not stop chuckling how they fooled everyone. But it's more likely than you think.

It is because Fascism appeals to people with traditional values more often than not, for example me, being a Conservative at the time. Now I do still have traditional values and morals, but I keep those separated from my politics

Fascism appeals to people who think all evil in the world is caused by "degenerates", that could be anyone from gay or transgender people, to Jews or non-white people depending on who you ask. So Fascism basically says "You don't like em, we'll just get rid of em!" and they just eat it right up.
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Postby Old Seeland » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:12 pm

Southern Liberstania wrote:
Transsibiria wrote:
The obsession of fascists with "degeneracy" never ceases to intrigue me.



I know this video since a while and have shown it to many people back then.

Nobody believed it. I could not stop chuckling how they fooled everyone. But it's more likely than you think.

It is because Fascism appeals to people with traditional values more often than not, for example me, being a Conservative at the time. Now I do still have traditional values and morals, but I keep those separated from my politics

Fascism appeals to people who think all evil in the world is caused by "degenerates", that could be anyone from gay or transgender people, to Jews or non-white people depending on who you ask. So Fascism basically says "You don't like em, we'll just get rid of em!" and they just eat it right up.


I agree with that point of view. But lest we forget, not only did Fascists try to appeal to traditional values like that (although they did it in "style" so to say, that's why they are the ones easily remembered), others tried it too. I am not trying to say your point is invalid, but merely hoping that others can also understand that at any given time it is possible that others use it against their political rivals too. Plenty of politicians, even American, have used "degenerate art" to appeal to the masses. And sadly, it worked more than we all would like to believe.

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Postby Detestable Tory » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:47 pm

Is it bad that with how extreme both sides have gotten I consider myself, a racist, transphobic, syndicalist to be a moderate in America?

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Postby Bovad » Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:42 pm

Detestable Tory wrote:Is it bad that with how extreme both sides have gotten I consider myself, a racist, transphobic, syndicalist to be a moderate in America?

Yes
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Postby Southern Liberstania » Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:44 am

Old Seeland wrote:
Southern Liberstania wrote:It is because Fascism appeals to people with traditional values more often than not, for example me, being a Conservative at the time. Now I do still have traditional values and morals, but I keep those separated from my politics

Fascism appeals to people who think all evil in the world is caused by "degenerates", that could be anyone from gay or transgender people, to Jews or non-white people depending on who you ask. So Fascism basically says "You don't like em, we'll just get rid of em!" and they just eat it right up.


I agree with that point of view. But lest we forget, not only did Fascists try to appeal to traditional values like that (although they did it in "style" so to say, that's why they are the ones easily remembered), others tried it too. I am not trying to say your point is invalid, but merely hoping that others can also understand that at any given time it is possible that others use it against their political rivals too. Plenty of politicians, even American, have used "degenerate art" to appeal to the masses. And sadly, it worked more than we all would like to believe.

For sure, I agree. It isn't Fascist exclusive, but Fascists utilize it the most and have the harshest solutions to deal with it
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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:11 am

Detestable Tory wrote:Is it bad that with how extreme both sides have gotten I consider myself, a racist, transphobic, syndicalist to be a moderate in America?

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Postby Kalivyah » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:13 am

Detestable Tory wrote:Is it bad that with how extreme both sides have gotten I consider myself, a racist, transphobic, syndicalist to be a moderate in America?

What the fuck?
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Postby The Zumal Gang » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:22 am

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The New Rio Grande wrote:Why yes there is an end.
It’s when you Realize that the “Alt-right extremists” and their “Brainwashed pipeline followers” aren’t going to do anything. They’re just gonna sit around in their little discord ‘safe spaces’ whilst those who live up on the “Moral Highground” continue to talk about them as if they’re gonna take over the world.


Until they commit shootings like the Christchurch and Buffalo guys.



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Postby Southern Liberstania » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:15 pm

Detestable Tory wrote:Is it bad that with how extreme both sides have gotten I consider myself, a racist, transphobic, syndicalist to be a moderate in America?

That's not moderate by any standard
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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:48 pm

Southern Liberstania wrote:
Detestable Tory wrote:Is it bad that with how extreme both sides have gotten I consider myself, a racist, transphobic, syndicalist to be a moderate in America?
That's not moderate by any standard
More akin to fascism... (see: national syndicalism and palingentic ultranationalism) or Third Positionist.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:55 pm

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Australian rePublic wrote:So I got sucked into the far right when they started posting anti-SJW content. I never actually realised how far right nor how radical they actually were. That's how they get you. It wasn't til I started seeing people debunk the far-right extremists

How exactly did people debunk them?

By talking about how idiotic their opinions they are. Let me put it this way

SJWs: Eminem wearing a sombrero=racist
Far right: Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist

As long as the moderate left don't talk about how Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist, then all the left will get lumped in together. I've already explained this
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Postby Mattopilos III » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:01 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Wynnemac wrote:How exactly did people debunk them?

By talking about how idiotic their opinions they are. Let me put it this way

SJWs: Eminem wearing a sombrero=racist
Far right: Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist

As long as the moderate left don't talk about how Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist, then all the left will get lumped in together. I've already explained this



... The fuck kinda discussion did I jump into lol

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Postby Diaboland » Sun Oct 16, 2022 10:59 am

Jeez, I thought this thread would just be everyone (rightfully) dunking on right-wing radicals. I don't believe that every person should have the same political beliefs, but I would have hoped we had moved on from "bigotry is a valid political ideology" by now

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Diaboland wrote:Jeez, I thought this thread would just be everyone (rightfully) dunking on right-wing radicals. I don't believe that every person should have the same political beliefs, but I would have hoped we had moved on from "bigotry is a valid political ideology" by now

People in general are turning such hypocritical echo chamber builders they don't realize like we see in this thread how counter-productive it all is.
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Postby Khurkhogur » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:37 pm

Diaboland wrote:Jeez, I thought this thread would just be everyone (rightfully) dunking on right-wing radicals. I don't believe that every person should have the same political beliefs, but I would have hoped we had moved on from "bigotry is a valid political ideology" by now

You hoped we'd have moved on? Moving on doesn't exist, not as long as we're human. We are literally the exact same people as those living 7000 years before us. Nothing except our environment has changed. We've gotten a little more capricious, a little less physically strong, and a little more interconnected. It hasn't (and won't) change our fundamental character.
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Postby Sordhau » Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:42 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Wynnemac wrote:How exactly did people debunk them?

By talking about how idiotic their opinions they are. Let me put it this way

SJWs: Eminem wearing a sombrero=racist
Far right: Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist

As long as the moderate left don't talk about how Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist, then all the left will get lumped in together. I've already explained this


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Australian rePublic wrote:
Wynnemac wrote:How exactly did people debunk them?

By talking about how idiotic their opinions they are. Let me put it this way

SJWs: Eminem wearing a sombrero=racist
Far right: Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist

As long as the moderate left don't talk about how Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist, then all the left will get lumped in together. I've already explained this

I don't remember the last time I heard anyone talk about Eminem, let alone his choice of hat.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:05 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:By talking about how idiotic their opinions they are. Let me put it this way

SJWs: Eminem wearing a sombrero=racist
Far right: Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist

As long as the moderate left don't talk about how Eminem wearing a sombrero=/=racist, then all the left will get lumped in together. I've already explained this

I don't remember the last time I heard anyone talk about Eminem, let alone his choice of hat.

Well my friend, I guess ignorance is bliss
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