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Right-wing Extremism: Online Radicalism, Radicalization

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:20 pm

In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:25 pm

i think the alt-left pipeline is a greater concern
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Postby The New Rio Grande » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:26 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?

Why yes there is an end.
It’s when you Realize that the “Alt-right extremists” and their “Brainwashed pipeline followers” aren’t going to do anything. They’re just gonna sit around in their little discord ‘safe spaces’ whilst those who live up on the “Moral Highground” continue to talk about them as if they’re gonna take over the world.
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Postby Vavlar » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:30 pm

The New Rio Grande wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?

Why yes there is an end.
It’s when you Realize that the “Alt-right extremists” and their “Brainwashed pipeline followers” aren’t going to do anything. They’re just gonna sit around in their little discord ‘safe spaces’ whilst those who live up on the “Moral Highground” continue to talk about them as if they’re gonna take over the world.

Actually, the republicans have started to take action, more than they did when Trump was in office.

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Postby Iskanistan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:32 pm

The alt-right died years ago.

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Postby The New Rio Grande » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:34 pm

Vavlar wrote:
The New Rio Grande wrote:Why yes there is an end.
It’s when you Realize that the “Alt-right extremists” and their “Brainwashed pipeline followers” aren’t going to do anything. They’re just gonna sit around in their little discord ‘safe spaces’ whilst those who live up on the “Moral Highground” continue to talk about them as if they’re gonna take over the world.

Actually, the republicans have started to take action, more than they did when Trump was in office.

Ohhhhh so the Republicans are the Alt-right? I thought it was just some new term they created so they could stop calling everyone fascist.
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Postby Yokashai Israel » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:37 pm

I used to be one of those edgy right-wingers because at the time I thought it was cool and counterculture and I only got out of it when I found God and converted to Judaism. Funny how those things end up. I guess the first time I was "radicalized" was when I was just lonely and watching Louder With Crowder but I was never on 4chan except for like once after the election in 2020. Nowadays I'd say I'm pretty much in the center. There are ways out of it but the person in question has to realize it and they usually don't.
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Postby Vavlar » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:38 pm

The New Rio Grande wrote:
Vavlar wrote:Actually, the republicans have started to take action, more than they did when Trump was in office.

Ohhhhh so the Republicans are the Alt-right? I thought it was just some new term they created so they could stop calling everyone fascist.

No. Alt-right is used to define republicans, but republicans are nowhere close to fascist fascists. They are wannabes of hypernationalism. However, they are right-wing.

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Postby Bovad » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:39 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:i think the alt-left pipeline is a greater concern

Iskanistan wrote:The alt-right died years ago.

Looks like we've found our first two!
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:39 pm

The New Rio Grande wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?

Why yes there is an end.
It’s when you Realize that the “Alt-right extremists” and their “Brainwashed pipeline followers” aren’t going to do anything. They’re just gonna sit around in their little discord ‘safe spaces’ whilst those who live up on the “Moral Highground” continue to talk about them as if they’re gonna take over the world.


Until they commit shootings like the Christchurch and Buffalo guys.
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Postby Erablegensstan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:41 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?


Like most left/right online political movements, the main influencers are primarily grifters. Many people came to their senses and left these movements when they realised what the influencers were really in it for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzn5aS6jdFg&ab_channel=LonerBox This is quite a good video on the subject, using Nick Fuentes as a case study.
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Postby The New Rio Grande » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:41 pm

Vavlar wrote:
The New Rio Grande wrote:Ohhhhh so the Republicans are the Alt-right? I thought it was just some new term they created so they could stop calling everyone fascist.

No. Alt-right is used to define republicans, but republicans are nowhere close to fascist fascists. They are wannabes of hypernationalism. However, they are right-wing.

Alt-Right sounds extremely stupid and misleading. No idea why you people up on the Moral high ground use it if they’re “Wannabes”
Also what’s wrong with them being Right-wing? Is it a problem that there is a Right and Left in politics?
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Postby Gepanzerberg » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:42 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?


  • Used to consider myself a conservative from approximately 2017 to 2018, when I was around 13. Though I say this "ended" in 2018, It was not a rapid shift from conservative to the beliefs I hold now, it was (as with most people) a gradual process.
  • The furthest I ever went down the alt-right pipeline was James Allsup. I also remember regularly watching PragerU and reading Conservapedia unironically (though I still read Wikipedia; I treated Conservapedia as more of a political blog/manifesto website).
  • Some other stuff might come back to me eventually, but with hindsight I feel like I could've been a whole lot worse.

Overall, I don't know if you'd classify me as "a survivor of the alt-right pipeline" (maybe more as "teenager in their internet conservative phase"), but I felt it was important to share.
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Postby Erablegensstan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:44 pm

Gepanzerberg wrote:
Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?


  • Used to consider myself a conservative from approximately 2017 to 2018, when I was around 13. Though I say this "ended" in 2018, It was not a rapid shift from conservative to the beliefs I hold now, it was (as with most people) a gradual process.
  • The furthest I ever went down the alt-right pipeline was James Allsup. I also remember regularly watching PragerU and reading Conservapedia unironically (though I still read Wikipedia; I treated Conservapedia as more of a political blog/manifesto website).
  • Some other stuff might come back to me eventually, but with hindsight I feel like I could've been a whole lot worse.

Overall, I don't know if you'd classify me as "a survivor of the alt-right pipeline" (maybe more as "teenager in their internet conservative phase"), but I felt it was important to share.


Is pragerU alt-right? They always came across pretty mainstream to me.
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Postby Tyrassueb » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:46 pm

Erablegensstan wrote:
Gepanzerberg wrote:
  • Used to consider myself a conservative from approximately 2017 to 2018, when I was around 13. Though I say this "ended" in 2018, It was not a rapid shift from conservative to the beliefs I hold now, it was (as with most people) a gradual process.
  • The furthest I ever went down the alt-right pipeline was James Allsup. I also remember regularly watching PragerU and reading Conservapedia unironically (though I still read Wikipedia; I treated Conservapedia as more of a political blog/manifesto website).
  • Some other stuff might come back to me eventually, but with hindsight I feel like I could've been a whole lot worse.

Overall, I don't know if you'd classify me as "a survivor of the alt-right pipeline" (maybe more as "teenager in their internet conservative phase"), but I felt it was important to share.


Is pragerU alt-right? They always came across pretty mainstream to me.

They very much are part of the pipeline. They dress it up and try to act intellectual, but you can Google how they are wrong on pretty much every point they try to make and how some people first began their slide into the alt-right with PragerU.
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Postby Yokashai Israel » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm

Is pragerU alt-right? They always came across pretty mainstream to me.

While I wouldn't say they are far-right I wouldn't claim they're close to the center or the left. They are like if the constitution party had a youtube channel.
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Postby Sordhau » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:48 pm

Erablegensstan wrote:
Gepanzerberg wrote:
  • Used to consider myself a conservative from approximately 2017 to 2018, when I was around 13. Though I say this "ended" in 2018, It was not a rapid shift from conservative to the beliefs I hold now, it was (as with most people) a gradual process.
  • The furthest I ever went down the alt-right pipeline was James Allsup. I also remember regularly watching PragerU and reading Conservapedia unironically (though I still read Wikipedia; I treated Conservapedia as more of a political blog/manifesto website).
  • Some other stuff might come back to me eventually, but with hindsight I feel like I could've been a whole lot worse.

Overall, I don't know if you'd classify me as "a survivor of the alt-right pipeline" (maybe more as "teenager in their internet conservative phase"), but I felt it was important to share.


Is pragerU alt-right? They always came across pretty mainstream to me.


There is nothing "mainstream" about PragerU.
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Postby Tsarus » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:50 pm

it all comes down to marketing and simply having a superior understanding of HOW TO market your ideology.

Right wingers are objectively more funny, that's the main thing. They appeal more to the rebellious side of people, primarily those who feel like their existence disagrees with the status quo, the normative values, whatever the hell, of society. you feel like you're involved in the truth i guess.
Also all of your political enemies become cartoon characters so you lack empathy for them (this is actually how people in a state of rage view others).

My experience: it was looking at stuff like divorce statistics, suicide rates, etc. that led me to believe we were going in a very wrong direction, which lead me towards traditionalism and you probably know where it goes.

"How have you gotten out of it"
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Is there an end? There is an end if you had no idea what you were even believing in the first place. if you just looked at the news headlines and thought "HOLY CRAP" and further delved into white nash territory you probably wont stick to your beliefs long.

Also, if you are alt right you pretty much break free of caring about accepted societal values. You have no moral issue with your beliefs. if you emphasize Truth you won't be alt right but you probably wont go back to virtue signaling; for example you'll still be racist if you genuinely believe it is Truth, who cares if it is acceptable or not. In this case there probably isn't an "end", but in other cases, for people who don't spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff, there probably will end up being an "I survived the alt right pipeline" story somewhere on reddit.
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Postby Iskanistan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:51 pm

Tsarus wrote:it all comes down to marketing and simply having a superior understanding of HOW TO market your ideology.

Right wingers are objectively more funny, that's the main thing. They appeal more to the rebellious side of people, primarily those who feel like their existence disagrees with the status quo, the normative values, whatever the hell, of society. you feel like you're involved in the truth i guess.
Also all of your political enemies become cartoon characters so you lack empathy for them (this is actually how people in a state of rage view others).


It's funny that it was once the left-wing who was like that.

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Postby Gepanzerberg » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:52 pm

Erablegensstan wrote:
Gepanzerberg wrote:
  • Used to consider myself a conservative from approximately 2017 to 2018, when I was around 13. Though I say this "ended" in 2018, It was not a rapid shift from conservative to the beliefs I hold now, it was (as with most people) a gradual process.
  • The furthest I ever went down the alt-right pipeline was James Allsup. I also remember regularly watching PragerU and reading Conservapedia unironically (though I still read Wikipedia; I treated Conservapedia as more of a political blog/manifesto website).
  • Some other stuff might come back to me eventually, but with hindsight I feel like I could've been a whole lot worse.

Overall, I don't know if you'd classify me as "a survivor of the alt-right pipeline" (maybe more as "teenager in their internet conservative phase"), but I felt it was important to share.


Is pragerU alt-right? They always came across pretty mainstream to me.


IIRC some of their stuff is pretty mainstream conservative, but certain videos (especially the ones on race, gender, religion, etc.) definitely have more alt-right viewpoints. They're a far right propaganda channel regardless.
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Postby Anagonia » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:55 pm

I haven't noticed anything in the manner of right-wing extremism. I'm not sure if that should be concerning or not. As a gay man, I've had more insults bore towards me from left-minded individuals than anyone associated as a centrist or right-leaning. I've met very few individuals who could be called right-wing extremists, but these individuals were normal around the time I grew up so their mannerisms and way of life do not alarm me. They also do not insult nor challenge me for being a different sexual lifestyle, if asked at all.

I'm not sure if it's because of being a Libertarian that I'm unable to see what the fuss is about with these extremists groups, defined normally as "right-wing" or "alt-right". I definitely don't concur or agree with the right-wing teachings most of the time, but I also don't mind discussing them as most of those groups are tolerable and have some manner of respect for debate. I've had a heck of a time even chancing a debate in left-wing groups. Whenever I'd ever suggest something counter or contrary to a popular notion, I would be the one labeled as the outcast or extremist. I've also been called some very offense language and my own sexual orientation challenged because of it.

That's not to say I don't read the stories concerning individuals who have claimed to be berated or harmed by right-wing groups. My sympathies to them. I, personally, have never experienced such treatment.

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:In regards to online discourse and radicalization: how many of you fallen down the alt right pipeline?
  • How have you gotten out of it?
  • Have you know anyone that has gone further?
  • Is there an end?


In response, in order:

1. I never fell down an "alt-right" pipeline, but I was once a religious extremist. I denounced gay people and had hurtful thoughts. I was 12 at the time and a member of a very radical baptist church. This was also around the time of my first boyfriend. By age 14 I grew out of it and began to explore myself, albiet in a more challenging time than now especially considering how dangerous it was back then to even be labeled as "gay". Back then, yes, definitely right-wing extremists and quite racist groups. Now? I don't see nor have interacted with any. Not in the right-wing mindset at least. Left-wing is a totally different story.

2. In regards to my fundamentalist and extremist past as a baptist, I got out of it by realizing I liked men. I never got out of being a man. I never got out of enjoying the outdoors, being an individual, celebrating diversity or the action of a man to work out or go hunting or fishing. All these things are me, and are who I am, and I celebrate others who enjoy that view. I do not celebrate others who berate someone else for their lifestyle choices.

3. Quite a few, but again these are left-wing individuals who had a more extremist mindset of....dealing death to individuals who thought different. I have known only two right-wing related individuals of such caliber, and that was when I was way younger. They're either in jail or dead, and at this juncture I do not care which.

4. An end? Perhaps. That takes a rational mind. That seems to be at a loss these days, unfortunately.
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Postby Iskanistan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:56 pm

Bovad wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:i think the alt-left pipeline is a greater concern

Iskanistan wrote:The alt-right died years ago.

Looks like we've found our first two!


I am not even american for starters. Maybe tune a bit down with some assumptions here.

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Postby Tsarus » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:56 pm

Iskanistan wrote:
Tsarus wrote:it all comes down to marketing and simply having a superior understanding of HOW TO market your ideology.

Right wingers are objectively more funny, that's the main thing. They appeal more to the rebellious side of people, primarily those who feel like their existence disagrees with the status quo, the normative values, whatever the hell, of society. you feel like you're involved in the truth i guess.
Also all of your political enemies become cartoon characters so you lack empathy for them (this is actually how people in a state of rage view others).


It's funny that it was once the left-wing who was like that.

kurt cobain as a matter of fact incited this rebellious spirit within me
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Postby Vavlar » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:02 pm

The New Rio Grande wrote:
Vavlar wrote:No. Alt-right is used to define republicans, but republicans are nowhere close to fascist fascists. They are wannabes of hypernationalism. However, they are right-wing.

Alt-Right sounds extremely stupid and misleading. No idea why you people up on the Moral high ground use it if they’re “Wannabes”
Also what’s wrong with them being Right-wing? Is it a problem that there is a Right and Left in politics?

There is no "moral" high ground in politics. The only "morals" is self-gain or victory for your party as of the US's condition. However, the republicans are quite conservative indeed. And no, I'm not a leftist either.
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Postby Iskanistan » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:03 pm

Anagonia wrote:I haven't noticed anything in the manner of right-wing extremism. I'm not sure if that should be concerning or not. As a gay man, I've had more insults bore towards me from left-minded individuals than anyone associated as a centrist or right-leaning. I've met very few individuals who could be called right-wing extremists, but these individuals were normal around the time I grew up so their mannerisms and way of life do not alarm me. They also do not insult nor challenge me for being a different sexual lifestyle, if asked at all.

I'm not sure if it's because of being a Libertarian that I'm unable to see what the fuss is about with these extremists groups, defined normally as "right-wing" or "alt-right". I definitely don't concur or agree with the right-wing teachings most of the time, but I also don't mind discussing them as most of those groups are tolerable and have some manner of respect for debate. I've had a heck of a time even chancing a debate in left-wing groups. Whenever I'd ever suggest something counter or contrary to a popular notion, I would be the one labeled as the outcast or extremist. I've also been called some very offense language and my own sexual orientation challenged because of it.

That's not to say I don't read the stories concerning individuals who have claimed to be berated or harmed by right-wing groups. My sympathies to them. I, personally, have never experienced such treatment.
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Thats political tribalism in action for you. It's not where you stand on some issues, but about tribal affilinations. You give the signals of a "hostile" tribe to the people you had problems with and signals of a "friendly" tribe to those with whom you get around, even if you otherwise disagree with them.

I have seen this trend appearing amongst many westerners in the recent years. Previously that was not there, its a very big change in political and social culture that has happened in the past 7-8 years or so.
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