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What do you think of Communism

Postby Lomacrato » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:24 pm

For me, Communism is underrated, coming from a democratic guy, No matter what their party Communist, Liberal, etc they shall be equal to others, I know I sound like the Founding Fathers but it's true. Most people think Communism = Non-American, but there are some countries that are Communist that give aid to western nations. I'm not trying to say I support dictatorships, I am trying to say that I don't care whether your Communist or Liberal, I will still be friends with you. People think that I'm Communist when I'm not, I'm gonna admit this, I like Russia, and people are still friends with me, honestly no one cares that your Communist, Liberal, Socialist whatever, your shoes or party doesn't matter. You are treated based on what you did, not your race, religion, party, etc. That's my personal opinion.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:27 pm

It's ok I guess
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Postby Existential Cats » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:00 pm

Not particularly a fan.
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Postby Striagro Uspil » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:03 pm

Not a fan of communism for I think it promises a utopia I don't think is actually possible nor is even desirable. However, after watching a very good and impartial video on socialism, I think Socialism has some potential if it's executed correctly and by "correctly" I mean not killing millions *cough* *cough*. The best way to explain how I see socialism potentially working is using the analogy of a cowboy.

If Capitalism is the horse, then Socialism is the system of "taming" the horse so that the horse works for the rider and not the other way around. Now how exactly Socialism will right the more unhealthy parts of Capitalism (like the social instability that naturally results from enormous economic inequality) so that Capitalism works for the benefit of the people? I don't know. Who know's? Socialism's promise may be just as idealistic as Communisms.
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Postby New Astri » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:07 pm

it's preddy cool
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Postby Cassinia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:08 pm

awful

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Postby Andronya » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:10 pm

I cannot imagine a worse political ideology in this world than communism, between 68 and 172 million people dead within a single century and countless ruined countries at its feet. I genuenly cannot understand how nazism is so widely (and rightfuly) condemned and yet somehow it is acceptable for some people to support communism.
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Postby Freedans » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:12 pm

Andronya wrote:I cannot imagine a worse political ideology in this world than communism, between 68 and 172 million people dead within a single century and countless ruined countries at its feet. I genuenly cannot understand how nazism is so widely (and rightfuly) condemned and yet somehow it is acceptable for some people to support communism.

Honest to God agree with this statement. Every attempt at communism has destroyed the nation it's been attempted in, and yet people continuously try to claim that whatever ills come from it have either never happened, or happened because it wasn't actual communism.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:14 pm

Not at all a fan of it. It never works, is nearly impossible to truly achieve, and has a real bad reputation among us Americans.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:16 pm

Andronya wrote:I cannot imagine a worse political ideology in this world than communism, between 68 and 172 million people dead within a single century and countless ruined countries at its feet. I genuenly cannot understand how nazism is so widely (and rightfuly) condemned and yet somehow it is acceptable for some people to support communism.

I agree with this.

Despite my beliefs in leftist (anarchist) politics Communism has never been proven to work.
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Postby Andronya » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:16 pm

because it wasn't actual communism.

That is one of the most infuriating statements that are in common use out there.
So can you say that Nazi Germany wasn't REAL nazism, and therefore we should give it another go?
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:20 pm

If Maoism is made by a guy named Mao, Stalinism by Stalin, Leninism by Lenin...

Is there a guy named Commune who made Communism?

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Postby Andronya » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 pm

Valentine Z wrote:If Maoism is made by a guy named Mao, Stalinism by Stalin, Leninism by Lenin...

Is there a guy named Commune who made Communism?

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Personally, I'm more of a mixed market fellow.


Then could you point me in the direction of this "Fasc" guy?
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Postby Pan-Pacific Unity » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 pm

Andronya wrote:
because it wasn't actual communism.

That is one of the most infuriating statements that are in common use out there.
So can you say that Nazi Germany wasn't REAL nazism, and therefore we should give it another go?

do you know what communism is
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Postby Morozistan » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 pm

It's pretty dope if you take the dictators out of it. But that's a big IF.
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Postby Andronya » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:26 pm

Pan-Pacific Unity wrote:
Andronya wrote:That is one of the most infuriating statements that are in common use out there.
So can you say that Nazi Germany wasn't REAL nazism, and therefore we should give it another go?

do you know what communism is

A genocidal, hateful and fundamentally jealous ideology, viciously disguised as "compassion" for the poor/working class.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:27 pm

Andronya wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:If Maoism is made by a guy named Mao, Stalinism by Stalin, Leninism by Lenin...

Is there a guy named Commune who made Communism?

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Personally, I'm more of a mixed market fellow.


Then could you point me in the direction of this "Fasc" guy?

He's a bit of a shambling zombie as of now, you can't miss him if you look. :P
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:27 pm

Morozistan wrote:It's pretty dope if you take the dictators out of it. But that's a big IF.

Yeah. This was proven in Ukraine with Anarcho communism. However you could say that it didn't last long enough to prove this.

Here is the example.
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Postby Pan-Pacific Unity » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:28 pm

Andronya wrote:
Pan-Pacific Unity wrote:do you know what communism is

A genocidal, hateful and fundamentally jealous ideology, viciously disguised as "compassion" for the poor/working class.

i'll take that as a 'no'
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Postby Teacrate » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:29 pm

Communism is a nice notion that works hypothetically but has only existed in fantasy. Much like democracy.

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Postby Andronya » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:30 pm

i'll take that as a 'no'

Take it the way you like, won't bring back millions of cadavers back to life, and sure as hell won't take a good amount of countries out of poverty and missery either.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:32 pm

Andronya wrote:I cannot imagine a worse political ideology in this world than communism, between 68 and 172 million people dead within a single century and countless ruined countries at its feet. I genuenly cannot understand how nazism is so widely (and rightfuly) condemned and yet somehow it is acceptable for some people to support communism.

Nazism advocates genocide. Communism advocates independence for working people. It's ridiculous to equate them, and the "black book of communism" includes dead Nazi soldiers and nonexistent people.
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Postby Pan-Pacific Unity » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:32 pm

Andronya wrote:
i'll take that as a 'no'

Take it the way you like, won't bring back millions of cadavers back to life, and sure as hell won't take a good amount of countries out of poverty and missery either.

While besides the point, I find such statements deliciously ironic coming from a libertarian.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:35 pm

Andronya wrote:
Pan-Pacific Unity wrote:do you know what communism is

A genocidal, hateful and fundamentally jealous ideology, viciously disguised as "compassion" for the poor/working class.

You could always save yourself the trouble of writing that sentence and just say "not really".
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Postby Andronya » Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:41 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Andronya wrote:I cannot imagine a worse political ideology in this world than communism, between 68 and 172 million people dead within a single century and countless ruined countries at its feet. I genuenly cannot understand how nazism is so widely (and rightfuly) condemned and yet somehow it is acceptable for some people to support communism.

Nazism advocates genocide. Communism advocates independence for working people. It's ridiculous to equate them, and the "black book of communism" includes dead Nazi soldiers and nonexistent people.

Precisely why I didn't quote that book, I always prefer to use the two limits of the communism death count: lowest estimation is 68 million people, highest estimation is 172 million.

IE: There where AT LEAST 68 million deaths due to communism.

And if "independence for working people" involves killing a rather large portion of a population, how can you deny that's at least similar to genocide? Is there that much of a difference from killing people due to race than due to economic status?
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