Thoughts on Egoism (And Max Stirner)

[Forever Indomitable]

Sorry, but this isn't an argument, give a real one or concede. I have given you material from which your counterpoint should be based on.

Yes, humans do cooperate, which does not exclude competition. All of our civilizations have been the result of conquest and kingship - the application of violence and control to the benefit of the ruling class. Selfishness and collectivism are synergistic; all it comes down to is striking the right balance.

Every political idea starts from the place of I want:

I want social justice.

I want free markets.

I want the sharing of resources.

I want people to follow the true God.

All desire starts at "I", the self and so every action undertaken in that desire is the expression of the self. Egoism isn't an ideology. It's how humans biologically operate.

I think you need to retake English Class.

Sorry, but I don't. You need to give an argument or check your ego enough to admit you're wrong.

[Touseyland]

Stirnerism mixed with social Darwinism and kratocracy begets a lot of perverse people.

Their victims tend to be children. Just saying.

social darwanism and kraterocracy an ideal, egoism rejects ideals

[Ayytaly]

Stirnerism mixed with social Darwinism and kratocracy begets a lot of perverse people.

Their victims tend to be children. Just saying.

social darwanism and kraterocracy an ideal, egoism rejects ideals

Wouldn't egoism approve ot ideals if it benefits the individual?

[Armeattla]

No, because it fundamentally rejects all socially constructed ideals.
For Stirner "races", states and artificial monopolies of violence are just "Spooks".

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Stirnerism mixed with social Darwinism and kratocracy begets a lot of perverse people.

Their victims tend to be children. Just saying.

social darwanism and kraterocracy an ideal, egoism rejects ideals

if you're an egoist, your ideal is egoism. the ideal of not having ideals is an ideal. this seems illogical, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, because it's egoism.

[Allistuq]

An edgy internet ideology

[Ancaplstan]

Anarcho-capitalism if it was founded by a racist.

Those are my thoughts.

First of all Max Stirner and Murray Rothbard are different people. Secondly Murray Rothbard isn't racist.

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

"All opinions are valid!"
"Some opinions are valid."
"People who disagree with me are spooks."
"People who aren't me are spooks."

[Touseyland]

social darwanism and kraterocracy an ideal, egoism rejects ideals

Wouldn't egoism approve ot ideals if it benefits the individual?

It rejects ideals abuve the indivdual, thats why egoism rejects social darwanism or kratorocracy

"You Should kill of the weak" or "You Should subjicate the weak under a dictatorship"

These are both ideals abouve the indivdual, in fact almost all humans would not want to kill anyone so they wouldnt, and laws dont really stop murderes, if your a phycopath a law system wont stop you from killing it will only act as a revenge after the fact

[Ayytaly]

Wouldn't egoism approve ot ideals if it benefits the individual?

It rejects ideals abuve the indivdual, thats why egoism rejects social darwanism or kratorocracy

"You Should kill of the weak" or "You Should subjicate the weak under a dictatorship"

These are both ideals abouve the indivdual, in fact almost all humans would not want to kill anyone so they wouldnt, and laws dont really stop murderes, if your a phycopath a law system wont stop you from killing it will only act as a revenge after the fact

But kings and aristocrats are individuals.

[Touseyland]

It rejects ideals abuve the indivdual, thats why egoism rejects social darwanism or kratorocracy

"You Should kill of the weak" or "You Should subjicate the weak under a dictatorship"

These are both ideals abouve the indivdual, in fact almost all humans would not want to kill anyone so they wouldnt, and laws dont really stop murderes, if your a phycopath a law system wont stop you from killing it will only act as a revenge after the fact

But kings and aristocrats are individuals.

Yes but there individual intrists would be opposed by every one else in a world where we are all concios egoists

[Ayytaly]

But kings and aristocrats are individuals.

Yes but there individual intrists would be opposed by every one else in a world where we are all concios egoists

Too bad a few individuals own all the water

[Veraguas]

Anarcho-capitalism if it was founded by a racist.

Those are my thoughts.

First of all Max Stirner and Murray Rothbard are different people. Secondly Murray Rothbard isn't racist.

The guy who supported Strom Thurmond in 1948 and wrote a love letter to David Duke "isn't racist"? lol okay, dude.

[Ayytaly]

First of all Max Stirner and Murray Rothbard are different people. Secondly Murray Rothbard isn't racist.

The guy who supported Strom Thurmond in 1948 and wrote a love letter to David Duke "isn't racist"? lol okay, dude.

Ah, that's why he's popular among conservatives.

[United Eastern Vodia]

That ideology is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard

[Ayytaly]

That ideology is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard

It's Victorian edginess.

[United Eastern Vodia]

That ideology is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard

It's Victorian edginess.

Combine the edginess of a 14 year old 4chan user with the selfishness and shortsightedness of a 5 year old and you'll know how Max Stirner thought

[Ayytaly]

It's Victorian edginess.

Combine the edginess of a 14 year old 4chan user with the selfishness and shortsightedness of a 5 year old and you'll know how Max Stirner thought

Ah, the average age of Deltarune players where Max Stirner is a puppet.

[Suriyanakhon]

Stirner's work is a provocative but interesting look at constructivism, and how a lot of the things we take for granted and let dictate our existence aren't actually physically real. His politics seems really self-defeating with his philosophy though, since every individual would already be pursuing their own self-interest, which conflicts with universal anarchy.

[Neptunvia]

This would never work! This isn't even a form of government! Let alone a form of anarchy! I mean, isn't the base instinct of groups of people to help them out? Not through greed or own self promotion, but by just being good people? This isn't even a government! This goes against every political ideology ever! Like I mean, I think we can all agree that the point of the government or a rebellion, is to serve the people, I mean, the people that they might be serving may very, but heck, I mean people are people.
But what you've done is reverse centuries of civilization to just end up with a form of Narsistic-Primtive... Society!

But, I mean, hey that's just my opinion, feel free to have your own.