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Talkeetna Alaska
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Why do we still have the Weather stat

Postby Talkeetna Alaska » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:22 pm

I don’t get the point of having a stat dedicated to weather, seeing is that it’s next to impossible to know how to raise or lower it answering issues. This stat is a joke, and pretty much everyone on NS knows it’s a joke. My nation for example, has top 14% for weather, but in reality, Talkeetna Alaska is either snowy, dreary, or just freezing cold throughout most of the year outside June, July, and August. What is the reason why this stat still exists?

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:23 pm

Talkeetna Alaska wrote:This stat is a joke, and pretty much everyone on NS knows it’s a joke.
So why not laugh about it?

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Talkeetna Alaska
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Postby Talkeetna Alaska » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:24 pm

It’s really not that funny. Also surprised you aren’t a moderator since you are one of the most famous nations on this platform

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Postby Untecna » Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:27 pm

Talkeetna Alaska wrote:I don’t get the point of having a stat dedicated to weather, seeing is that it’s next to impossible to know how to raise or lower it answering issues. This stat is a joke, and pretty much everyone on NS knows it’s a joke. My nation for example, has top 14% for weather, but in reality, Talkeetna Alaska is either snowy, dreary, or just freezing cold throughout most of the year outside June, July, and August. What is the reason why this stat still exists?

Stats don't have to be used, but generally nations like to categorize their average weather and climate in the real world, hence the stat, and like the others as well, which are based on the same principle.
Talkeetna Alaska wrote:It’s really not that funny. Also surprised you aren’t a moderator since you are one of the most famous nations on this platform

Forum popularity doesn't make someone a candidate for a moderator.
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Postby Panagouge » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:37 pm

Talkeetna Alaska wrote:It’s really not that funny.

Then ignore it and move it. It is not going to be removed at a whim of your will.

Most of us are content with it, and some have fun trying to chase higher and higher the constantly burning and crashing stat that is weather. Its impossibility and unpredictability is the core element of stat's point of existence.
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:39 pm

It's actually not that random; it's affected by things that normally affect it, so rather than the weather encouraging you to go outdoors, going outdoors makes the weather nice!

However, it does work in fixed, constant increments, so it can be (deliberately) a bit more capricious than other stats.

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Postby Demonic Satan » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:41 pm

Its a fun stat!

I'm totally not biased with it being my top stat...
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:51 pm

I mean if you turn your nation into a desert it won’t rain. So maybe issues can affect weather

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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:31 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:It's actually not that random; it's affected by things that normally affect it, so rather than the weather encouraging you to go outdoors, going outdoors makes the weather nice!

Which is ridiculous in itself... and its underlying assumption that increases in the 'Most Cultured' stat must involve people spending more time indoors ignores the fact that many cultural activities might be outdoors ones (especially for Bears, rather than just wimpy Humans...) anyway.

Mind you, in my opinion, its unit of measurement is ridiculous enough to discredit the entire stat to start with.
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Postby Dexterra » Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:55 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
SherpDaWerp wrote:It's actually not that random; it's affected by things that normally affect it, so rather than the weather encouraging you to go outdoors, going outdoors makes the weather nice!

Which is ridiculous in itself... and its underlying assumption that increases in the 'Most Cultured' stat must involve people spending more time indoors ignores the fact that many cultural activities might be outdoors ones (especially for Bears, rather than just wimpy Humans...) anyway.

Indeed, beagles understand the plight of bears. Sometimes it seems the reason Weather exists is to serve as the archnemesis of Culture and vice versa :lol:
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:09 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:It's actually not that random; it's affected by things that normally affect it, so rather than the weather encouraging you to go outdoors, going outdoors makes the weather nice!
The interesting point is that Weather is both positively correlated with some stats that are typically seen as good things (Environmental Beauty, Health), and negatively correlated with other stats that are typically seen as good things (Culture, Intelligence), which means that if you just try to raise all of those stats whenever you get the chance, Weather itself will wander around rather randomly based on which issues you've gotten lately, sometimes seeing long strings of decreases and sometimes seeing long strings of increases - without having any actual randomness in its computation at all. I find that I seem to manage a slight net upwards trend, but there are often long periods where Weather just seems to keep going down and I wonder if I'll ever manage to get it back up to my previous maximum, although eventually I always do.

Bears Armed wrote:and its underlying assumption that increases in the 'Most Cultured' stat must involve people spending more time indoors ignores the fact that many cultural activities might be outdoors ones (especially for Bears, rather than just wimpy Humans...) anyway.
Hey, we like outdoors races as much as the next pony, but we still have our share of introverted bookworms.

Besides, bears do live in houses, although they have rather varying opinions about exactly how hard/soft the beds should be, etc.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:04 pm

Personally, I’ve long been amused that a stat that would seem to indicate some kind of physical measurement (meters of sunlight) allows for some truly massive negative numbers - there’s actually about 40 nations with a weather score with a larger negative number than Kindjal’s positive number.

I’ve come to the conclusion negative numbers represent the weather being so bad that it propagates back in time, but your mileage may vary.

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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:59 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Personally, I’ve long been amused that a stat that would seem to indicate some kind of physical measurement (meters of sunlight) allows for some truly massive negative numbers
Huh. I suppose negative meters of sunlight would mean that your nation is radiating more light back into space than it's receiving from the sun?

I can imagine that making for an unpleasant place to live.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:59 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Personally, I’ve long been amused that a stat that would seem to indicate some kind of physical measurement (meters of sunlight) allows for some truly massive negative numbers
Huh. I suppose negative meters of sunlight would mean that your nation is radiating more light back into space than it's receiving from the sun?

I can imagine that making for an unpleasant place to live.

Also an option, true

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Postby Bigpipstan » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:05 am

Weather and culture stats are nice because they don't have decimal numbers and are consistent. I'm totaly not biased since i'm in top 1% in weather and culture. Also yeah, it's suppose to be joke stat.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:34 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Personally, I’ve long been amused that a stat that would seem to indicate some kind of physical measurement (meters of sunlight) allows for some truly massive negative numbers
Huh. I suppose negative meters of sunlight would mean that your nation is radiating more light back into space than it's receiving from the sun?

I can imagine that making for an unpleasant place to live.


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Postby Paldea » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:36 am

Trotterdam wrote:
Talkeetna Alaska wrote:This stat is a joke, and pretty much everyone on NS knows it’s a joke.
So why not laugh about it?

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Postby Valentine Z » Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:37 pm

It is, just like any other stats, a fun one. You can take it seriously or not, and that won't change the game in the slightest. You can even wear it as a badge of honor or shame, like how some nations pride themselves with high Charmlessness, but for some, it's a mark of shame.

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