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[Bid] :: World Cup 92 - Electrum / Vilita

Postby Vilita » Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:02 pm

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Who?

Vilita and Electrum are two experienced hosts who have many years of hosting expertise between them. Vilita has hosted six World Cups, five Cups of Harmony, ten Baptism of Fire tournaments and an Olympic Winter Games. Electrum has hosted one World Cup, one Baptism of Fire, three Summer Olympics and three Olympic Winter Games.

No really, what are you about?

Electrum is a large but sparsely populated nation in the Terranean region of Rushmore. Electrum has strong cultural links to New Gelderland and Ceni and also borders the nations of Valladares, Eura and Rhodesiah. After an absence from international sport, the country is headed jointly by a sortion-selected Governor-General and a five-dimensional four-beings-who-share-one-voice named The Computator, noted for saving the country from its accidental time freeze which led it to miss several sporting competitions. It is known for its obsession with pacifism, modern stadiums, anti-hooliganism legislation and international commerce. Though none of these things pale in comparison to what Electrum is really famous around the multiverse for – the satirical publication The Turnip.

Vilita is centrally located in the Vilitan Cove region of Atlantian Oceania. Vilita has strong cultural links to Turori but currently shares no land borders with any nation. Its closest current neighbor, Jabal Akhdar, is waging war against the reigning World Cup Champion nation Graintfjall - almost certainly as a response to the Rushmori’ nations defeat of nearby Turori in the World Cup 91 Final. Vilita is known for its obsession with sports which - outside of Football include Ice Hockey, Motorsports and Surfing. The Vilitan Cove region is home to many multiverse-wide corporations and products including Vilaye Energy Drink, Toys '4' All, Cocoa-bo Eatery, twii.tur and Tropicorp Sports.

Format?

Our preference is to have fifteen groups with the fifteen group winners advancing to the group stage proper and second place teams facing off against third place teams in a two-legged playoff to round out the field. If the numbers do not permit this, we will instead have twenty groups with the twenty group winners advancing to the group stage proper and second place teams facing off against each other in a single playoff match to complete the field. We will have 2 matchdays/48 hour cut-offs with the first and last days planned to be separate (if schedule permits).

Tiebreakers in both the World Cup and in qualifying will be as follows:

  • Points
  • Overall goal difference
  • Points in matches between tied teams
  • Goal difference in matches between tied teams
  • IC coin flip (an additional match is scorinated between the two teams in a neutral venue)

This follows roughly the real life tie-breaking procedure with an adjustment to not allow nations to be disadvantaged by style modifiers. For two-legged playoffs, the away goals rule will not apply.

Scorination details?

There will be no restrictions on modifiers other than the modifier having to be between -5 and +5. We will be using SQIS in qualification and two-legged playoffs to ensure that home advantage is applied correctly and NSFS for one-legged playoffs and the finals.

The roleplay bonus will be cumulative with a two matchday degrading cumulative floor. This is designed to reward high quality roleplaying and mitigates the punishment for those roleplayers who miss on a day. Every cutoff, a roleplayer will be given either their roleplay score (if they roleplayed that cutoff) or fifty percent of their average roleplay score achieved in the prior two cutoffs, whichever is the higher.

For example if a nation's roleplay score was 5-5-0-0-0, they would receive the following roleplay bonuses of 5-5-2.5-1.25-0. If a nation's roleplay score was 5-5-1-1-1 they would receive roleplay bonuses of 5-5-2.5-1.5-.5. As you can see, no nation is ever disadvantaged for roleplaying, and people who unexpectedly have to miss a day are not punished too harshly.

The RP carryover is equal to two full matchdays' worth of bonus at the final stage of the competition. It is derived by adding the nation's best roleplay score to the average roleplay score during qualifying.

Scorination responsibilities will be split between the two hosts, likely in a Front/Back manner - but final split will be dependent on signups, format and start date. If two-legged playoffs are used each host will scorinate one leg.

Questions?

If Electrum confirms that this is not a rogue bid attempting to capitalize on their name and likeness, questions will be accepted but may be first be referred to the editor of the Turnip for disposition.
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Postby Audioslavia » Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:27 pm

at the risk of sounding like a broken record

To avoid a conflict of interest, what steps will you be taking to ensure Vilita scorinates zero of Turori's games?

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Postby Ceni » Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:27 pm

I have two questions: Will any roster penalties be implemented, and how substantial will RP bonus be (i.e. will RP bonus be substantial enough that unranked or low-ranked nations can compete with top 32 by final matchday)?
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Postby Independent Athletes from Quebec » Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:35 pm

Excellent bid.

Whether front/Back or Side-to-Side I find that to be less of an issue on my part. Turori is a top-ranked nation in the world with longstanding arc of own anyway - and logistics, not intent, often dictate whether to go forward with either in cases like this.

One curious question though, more so I could prepare myself in case prewriting may not be possible: What is the rough RP cutoff window going to be for ETM and VIL?

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Postby PotatoFarmers » Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:08 pm

Let say Testlandia and Samplestan, both of which signed up for the tournament, are playing each other in the playoffs, and these are the results scorinated in the first 2 legs:

Testlandia 3-1 Samplestan
Samplestan 4-2 Testlandia

1) Since there is no away goals, will there be extra time scored before penalties?
2) How would the extra time (and subsequent penalty shoot-out, should it be required), be scored?
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Postby Farfadillis » Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:39 pm

Audioslavia wrote:at the risk of sounding like a broken record

To avoid a conflict of interest, what steps will you be taking to ensure Vilita scorinates zero of Turori's games?

Tacking onto this: what steps will you be taking to ensure Electrum scorinates zero games?
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Postby Huayramarca » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:20 pm

It is a solid bid from two trustworthy bidders. Having that extra support for RPers with points in case they don't RP is a valuable help as their effort will pay for it.

I have a question in regards of the technicity of using two different scorination formulae in a tournament. Why the bidding team has chosen said strategy?

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Postby Graintfjall » Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:24 pm

One of the questions raised on the previous (withdrawn) bid led to the assertion that having a third party scorer is impossible because of time zones. Given your different time zones will you be cutting off at approximately the same time or hours apart?
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:49 pm

Should twenty-team groups be required:
1. Will single-legged playoffs be held at one team's home or in a neutral venue?
2. How will playoff scorination responsibilities be determined?

Will there be a roster bonus?
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Postby PotatoFarmers » Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:48 am

Speaking of single-legged playoffs, why were single-legged playoffs chosen for the 20 group option and double-legged playoffs chosen for the 15 group option?
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Postby Legalese » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:44 am

Now that the permitted format for the World Cup finals only limits hosts to "at least" 32 teams, what's y'all's thinking/reasoning behind sticking with 32, versus a different format? Did you all consider alternatives before going with the 32-team format?

Also, for clarity (since it's not mentioned and probably felt as if it didn't need to be previously): the plan for the finals does assume the typical format used in past NSWCs, correct? (Eight groups of four, with half of the groups in each of the two host nations; top-two per group advance to the round of 16, with the bracket arranged to keep all teams in the same nation their group stage was in until the final/3PPO)
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Who's Vilita and Electrum? I only know Vilrum and WCITA92 :p
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Postby Electrum » Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:06 pm

I confirm I am a part of this bid.

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Audioslavia wrote:at the risk of sounding like a broken record

To avoid a conflict of interest, what steps will you be taking to ensure Vilita scorinates zero of Turori's games?


We are yet to work out the logistics for this but whatever the host split is, Electrum will be allegedly scorinating all of Turori's games, whatever the word scorinate means. Although to be honest we don't get the particular obsession with having someone else score someone else's matches -- hosts have been scorinating their puppet's matches since time immemorial, and Olympic hosts have been scorinating all of their player's events. If we can't trust our hosts to be fair when scorinating their own puppet then what's the point of even choosing them to scorinate all of the other matches ?!

Ceni wrote:I have two questions: Will any roster penalties be implemented, and how substantial will RP bonus be (i.e. will RP bonus be substantial enough that unranked or low-ranked nations can compete with top 32 by final matchday)?


Yes we had forgotten to mention this, the intern responsible for that bid has been fired. And by that we mean fired out of a cannon. Although we do note it is a feature of Vilitan bids to forget to write about roster penalties. Anyways we plan to copy do what the other prospective bid is which is to have a roster bonus, reducing KPB by 50% if the roster is not posted by MD1, and reducing KPB by 100% if the roster is not posted by the midway point. The roster penalty disappears upon receipt of a roster.

Independent Athletes from Quebec wrote:Excellent bid.

Whether front/Back or Side-to-Side I find that to be less of an issue on my part. Turori is a top-ranked nation in the world with longstanding arc of own anyway - and logistics, not intent, often dictate whether to go forward with either in cases like this.

One curious question though, more so I could prepare myself in case prewriting may not be possible: What is the rough RP cutoff window going to be for ETM and VIL?


We are yet to determine this but we are planning a 2/48 split so it shouldn't matter too much. Vilita has done 0300 Universally Troubled Clocks and Electrum has done 0900 Uncoordinated Time Crumps.

PotatoFarmers wrote:Let say Testlandia and Samplestan, both of which signed up for the tournament, are playing each other in the playoffs, and these are the results scorinated in the first 2 legs:

Testlandia 3-1 Samplestan
Samplestan 4-2 Testlandia

1) Since there is no away goals, will there be extra time scored before penalties?
2) How would the extra time (and subsequent penalty shoot-out, should it be required), be scored?


Please refer to here, ignoring mention of away goals.

Farfadillis wrote:Tacking onto this: what steps will you be taking to ensure Electrum scorinates zero games?


None. We think this is an acceptable risk.

Huayramarca wrote:It is a solid bid from two trustworthy bidders. Having that extra support for RPers with points in case they don't RP is a valuable help as their effort will pay for it.

I have a question in regards of the technicity of using two different scorination formulae in a tournament. Why the bidding team has chosen said strategy?


As mentioned in the bid, we think SQIS is good in that it applies home advantage correctly, making results more realistic. As for NSFS, it distinguishes the top teams better (where teams are likely to be more bunched in the finals and there is no home advantage). See discussion here.

Graintfjall wrote:One of the questions raised on the previous (withdrawn) bid led to the assertion that having a third party scorer is impossible because of time zones. Given your different time zones will you be cutting off at approximately the same time or hours apart?


We plan to do 2/48 so should not be an issue. We'll work out the logistics but in the event my cutoff is far later, and I'm scorinating Turori's group, then the corresponding cutoff will be later.

Tinhampton wrote:Should twenty-team groups be required:
1. Will single-legged playoffs be held at one team's home or in a neutral venue?
2. How will playoff scorination responsibilities be determined?

Will there be a roster bonus?


1. Neutral venue.
2. Randomly.
3. See above.

PotatoFarmers wrote:Speaking of single-legged playoffs, why were single-legged playoffs chosen for the 20 group option and double-legged playoffs chosen for the 15 group option?


Double-legged is used because it is clearly a 2nd place team vs a 3rd place team, we want to advantage teams who come in second with the home venue bonus in the second match. In single-legged playoffs all teams have come in second so there's no need for that.

Legalese wrote:Now that the permitted format for the World Cup finals only limits hosts to "at least" 32 teams, what's y'all's thinking/reasoning behind sticking with 32, versus a different format? Did you all consider alternatives before going with the 32-team format?

Also, for clarity (since it's not mentioned and probably felt as if it didn't need to be previously): the plan for the finals does assume the typical format used in past NSWCs, correct? (Eight groups of four, with half of the groups in each of the two host nations; top-two per group advance to the round of 16, with the bracket arranged to keep all teams in the same nation their group stage was in until the final/3PPO)


Judging by the previous Cup of Harmony, we think the previous split of nations in both tournaments is reasonable (32/56). Also we don't intend to have more than 32 teams in the world cup, unless someone we like fails to qualify. Just kidding. Probably. As for your second question, yes, that's right. We'll be doing that for IC reasons and so people keep to the same cutoff times. We suggest that it's implied that we're not deviating from the norm if you don't explicitly talk about it. Like we haven't talked about making the groups named after tropical fruits and metal alloys yet... although that is an interesting idea...

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Postby Graintfjall » Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Could Vilita confirm whether the hosts will be willing to share RP bonus info with CoH hosts?
Electrum wrote:Yes we had forgotten to mention this, the intern responsible for that bid has been fired. And by that we mean fired out of a cannon. Although we do note it is a feature of Vilitan bids to forget to write about roster penalties. Anyways we plan to copy do what the other prospective bid is which is to have a roster bonus, reducing KPB by 50% if the roster is not posted by MD1, and reducing KPB by 100% if the roster is not posted by the midway point. The roster penalty disappears upon receipt of a roster.

In that case can Vilita confirm the scenario I laid out here?
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Postby 95X » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:13 pm

I don't have a vote in this, however I'd like to voice support for this bid. Both the bidders have longstanding proficiency in running such high-profile RP events here.
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