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How could we fix incelibacy? Can we?

Postby Incel Argentina » Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:53 am

Of the three main pills (blue, red, black) only the last claims that incelibacy is unfixable. Knowing that the pills have each a microscopic following compared to the one at the right, I can't help but think that I should listen to my lefternmost counterparts about what is a possible solution, so I started this thread for you to debate and explain your position.

I am mostly interested in the redpillers' words since the bluepill is generic and most of us know the mainstream """Solutions""" that they propose, but anyone is welcome to reply.

Among the main sources for our blackpill beliefs are:

- The 80/20 theory.
This study was conducted to quantify the Tinder socio-economic prospects for males based on the percentage of females that will “like” them. Female Tinder usage data was collected and statistically analyzed to determine the inequality in the Tinder economy. It was determined that the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men. The Gini coefficient for the Tinder economy based on “like” percentages was calculated to be 0.58. This means that the Tinder economy has more inequality than 95.1% of all the world’s national economies. In addition, it was determined that a man of average attractiveness would be “liked” by approximately 0.87% (1 in 115) of women on Tinder. Also, a formula was derived to estimate a man’s attractiveness level based on the percentage of “likes” he receives on Tinder [...]

From this data (and some data collected for the previous post) we can make an estimate as to the percentage of females on Tinder that are likely to “like” a male based on his attractiveness. This graph is shown as Figure 4. Note that the y-axis is in log scale and the curve is fairly linear. This means the curve has a high correlation to an exponential fit. Therefore, you can gauge your attractiveness level if you “like” all girls and keep track of the percentage of girls that “like” you back with a simple equation:
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attractiveness%=16.8*ln(like%)+52.3
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- The JBW Theory; All women are racist.
JBW theory or JBW is short for "Just Be White Theory", and describes the fact that in multiethnic Western societies White men are favored in dating. According to this theory, White males have a high sex appeal on Asian women, thus almost any white man can get a girlfriend in Asia. Some say this also applies to South America and locations in the Western world with high rate of non-white people [...]

Jeremy Meeks and Sterling St. Jacques are considered to be among the best looking black men to have lived in the modern era according to those who rate beauty and style for a living (Model agencies and Couture Houses). Both men have features usually attributed to ethnic Caucasians and Nordics (in other words White peoples) such as slim noses and eye color other than black. Although men such as Seal (musician) and most professional African-American athletes seem to be an obvious rebuttal to this argument, you would be hard pressed to find many White, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, or Arab women willing to date or sleep with such men if they had no idea the man in question was 1) Famous and 2) Wealthy. However if one were to conduct the same 'study' using Mr. Meeks or St. Jacques, one could postulate that there would be a considerably higher amount of women from the above groups who would be willing to sleep with those two men regardless of having known of either being a famous model.
- From The Incel Wiki


- The Halo Effect
The halo effect is a theory that posits that various positive traits also increase the (false) impression of other positive traits. E.g. people who are more aesthetically attractive are subconsciously assumed to have a much more virtuous personality and to be much more healthy and to have much higher IQ, none of which is true [...] The halo effect also goes into the implications of such a subconscious stance, such as the subsequent greater career prospects that better looking people get. The opposite of the halo effect is the horn or failo effect [...]

Halo effect allows attractive people to get away with violating any and all social norms, also any negative and or androgynous qualities they may have are over looked, as in literally not noticed or forgiving (see Jeremy Meeks). No one questions Stacy's sexuality despite her strong jawline, and determined attitude, nor Chad's sexuality despite having huge duck lips, and dancing around in a multi colored jumpsuit, but if an incel guy were to wear the exact same outfit, the incel guy would be labeled as gay immediately.
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- The Youngcel Theory (hey that's me):
A youngcel is a teen who is too young to be put into the inceldom spectrum but has some early warning signs.

A youngcel may have some of the characteristics that put them at risk of entering the inceldom spectrum in the future, such as living in a prudishly erotophobic household consisting of a single helicopter parent, being a mouth breather and being autistic. Youngcels have become vastly more common in the past two decades as summarized in the demographics article. A youngcel may also happen to have a higher sex drive than others and hence experience sexlessness as a greater burden. Or a youncel may have fast LH friends who already have sex which may provoke envy.

Today, about half of U.S. 12th graders have never dated, which presents a substantial change in the past decades. This change affects both girls and boys to the same degree. However, it should be noted that generations that grew up during the post-WWII economic boom, boomers and Gen Xers, were special and had particularly early marriages (and likely also onset of sexual activity) compared to earlier generations. While people do presently marry and have sex comparably late, it is not unheard of that people only marry in their mid- to late twenties in human history, though for women, first marriage was typically under the age of 25.

Just start early or teen love pill is a theory that missing out on dating, relationships and sex during the teenage years makes it more difficult to ascend later on. Sexual inexperience can become a turnoff or even a red flag. Moreover, virgins who wait until marriage will also struggle to find someone else who is willing to wait until marriage, as almost everyone has premarital sex [...]

In summary, while most of our sample had discussed sex with friends and experimented with masturbation as teens, most of the virgins and singles did not date. Singles were similar to partnered persons in terms of first sexual experiences, while the majority of virgins reported first sexual experiences that did not include another person. As the data illustrates, virgins and singles may have missed important transitions, and as they got older, their trajectories began to differ from those of their age peers. As Thorton (1990) noted, patterns of sexuality in young adulthood are significantly related to dating, steady dating, and sexual experience in adolescence. It is rare for a teenager to initiate sexual activity outside of a dating relationship. Thus, persons reaching young adulthood without dating may have missed an important opportunity for sexual experience. While virginity and lack of experience are fairly common in teenagers and young adults, by the time many of our respondents reached their mid-twenties they reported feeling left behind by age peers. We suspect that this is especially true for gay, lesbian, and bisexual youth. In fact, all eight of the non-heterosexual respondents in our sample were either virgins or singles. As previous researchers have shown, a major reason for becoming off time in making sexual transitions is the process of coming out to oneself and others (Gonsiorek & Rudolph, 1991). Even for the heterosexuals in our study, however, it appears that lack of dating and sexual experimentation in the teen years may be precursors to problems in adult sexual relationships.
- From The Incel Wiki; youngcel, teenlovepill
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:59 am

I'm going to allow this despite the overly bloggy OP. I strongly suggest that Incel Argentina edit the post to include their opinion.
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Postby Malphe II » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:17 am

Good lord. Please find a healthier outlet for whatever you're struggling with, this is some nonsense.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:19 am

stopped reading after red pills were mentioned. always take the red pill no matter what
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Postby Gruenberg » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:21 am

Take a shower. :)
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Postby Forever Indomitable » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:21 am

A common theme I see with incels is a self defeating attitude. As I believe in genetic determinism, I likewise believe that incels are predisposed to failure by virtue of their inherent meekness. The will to fight does not guarantee success, but it guarantees a chance. Yes, many people do get dealt disadvantageous hands, but then their only recourse becomes to improve themselves as much as possible - if you are ugly, become rich; if you have poor social skills, try talking more. The problem with incels is that they know the deck is stacked against them and they are correct about it, but they also fall to fatalism, as their genetic programming dictates, and they do not fight hard enough for themselves. The only person that can fix incelibacy is you. There is no "we".

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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:28 am

Read Adler on neuroticism. As far as I can see incelibacy is just a new variation on neuroticism. It has the classic sign of leading to the opposite of what the stated desire is - nothing is going to put people off having a relationship with you like espousing incel beliefs.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:33 am

Expanding Guantanamo Bay and sending incels there
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:39 am

Well, the red pill is a metaphor for HRT, so jot that down.
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Postby Forever Indomitable » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:39 am

Necroghastia wrote:Well, the red pill is a metaphor for HRT, so jot that down.

Lol.

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Postby Countesia » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:40 am

Incels go to all sort of lengths to dance around the fact they probably, almost definitely have an insufferable personality

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Postby Page » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:47 am

Genuinely not trying to be a dick, but you are greatly handicapping yourself in your efforts to get laid by subscribing to the "pills" as if they're legitimate sociological concepts. And the more you associate with such subcultures as incel and PUA and redpill, the worse you're making it on yourself. You definitely don't want to bring this stuff up with women. Either they don't know what you're talking about and think you're a weirdo or they know what you're talking about and think you're a creep.

This is a horny world we live in. If you can rein in your anxiety and work on yourself and have some patience, you'll find somebody who wants to sleep with you.
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Postby Forever Indomitable » Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:54 am

Page wrote:Genuinely not trying to be a dick, but you are greatly handicapping yourself in your efforts to get laid by subscribing to the "pills" as if they're legitimate sociological concepts. And the more you associate with such subcultures as incel and PUA and redpill, the worse you're making it on yourself. You definitely don't want to bring this stuff up with women. Either they don't know what you're talking about and think you're a weirdo or they know what you're talking about and think you're a creep.

This is a horny world we live in. If you can rein in your anxiety and work on yourself and have some patience, you'll find somebody who wants to sleep with you.

This post is correct, OP. "If you stare into the abyss long enough, the abyss stares back at you".

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Oh look. Misogyny.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:12 am

It isn't a problem because it can't really be fixed. Some people can't cross bridges, other people just so happen to not be able to navigate romance or even start on such a path to begin with. An incelibate person's problem is that what they want requires 2 people. The best solution usually is to let go of such desires.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:13 am

Sordhau wrote:Oh look. Misogyny.

Eh, as someone who can partially relate to incels I can say that their movement can be characterized as not precisely misogynistic but rather a movement angry at the world by large. I suppose no one will debate that even in western societies it’s fairly common for traditional gender roles to still be prevalent- and for man to fall out of said gender roles usually brings much worse results than for a woman.

This gets even worse the more traditional kind of society were talking about. For example, I live in Russia and despise my very existence as a man to the bottom of my heart.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:15 am

Saiwania wrote:It isn't a problem because it can't really be fixed. Some people can't cross bridges, other people just so happen to not be able to navigate romance or even start on such a path to begin with. An incelibate person's problem is that what they want requires 2 people. The best solution usually is to let go of such desires.

Perhaps the mere existence of these people is a problem? I’d argue that the reason this has become this “large” is because a lot of people have kids first and think about their actions’ consequences later on- this includes both planned and unplanned children.

No I am not suggesting eugenics I’m saying that some people make bad parents and shouldn’t have children for their own and their child’s sake
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Postby Plagosa » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:17 am

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:18 am

Getting them some of the help that the salvageable ones clearly need instead of relentlessly “othering” the whole group like a single monolith which is always going to be dangerous would probably be helpful.

This of course depends on what you would label an “incel”. If the definition you use only applies to the ones which are a hair-trigger away from murdering people instead of ones that genuinely just need some help, than you’d probably perceive it as naive.
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Postby Teletubieland » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:20 am

The problem is probably that we live in cultures that promote the idea (through films, tv, music etc) that everyone should be in a relationship and that being single (at least for any amount of time) is strange. Throughout history, there have been people (both men and women) who have been celibate. What has changed is that in the past this was considered acceptable, at some points in history even praiseworthy. Today, it is stigmatised.
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Postby Forever Indomitable » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:20 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Saiwania wrote:It isn't a problem because it can't really be fixed. Some people can't cross bridges, other people just so happen to not be able to navigate romance or even start on such a path to begin with. An incelibate person's problem is that what they want requires 2 people. The best solution usually is to let go of such desires.

Perhaps the mere existence of these people is a problem? I’d argue that the reason this has become this “large” is because a lot of people have kids first and think about their actions’ consequences later on- this includes both planned and unplanned children.

No I am not suggesting eugenics I’m saying that some people make bad parents and shouldn’t have children for their own and their child’s sake

It's not a parental issue. You either have an innate will to fight or you don't. Incels got dealt a bad hand and decided to fold. The few success stories I've seen were those that didn't throw in the towel and kept trying at life.

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Postby Vivolkha » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:22 am

Rising incelibacy rates (for both men and women) are and should be seen as a societal problem. However, it is not one that can easily be fixed, certainly not via top-down government-imposed solutions (unless, of course, you don't care about human rights in the slightest).

As for the actual incel movement, just deal with them like the terrorists they are.
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Postby Incel Argentina » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:22 am

Saiwania wrote:It isn't a problem because it can't really be fixed. Some people can't cross bridges, other people just so happen to not be able to navigate romance or even start on such a path to begin with. An incelibate person's problem is that what they want requires 2 people. The best solution usually is to let go of such desires.

Any advise on doing so? I always wondered how my MGTOW comrades managed to just avoid wanting to be loved, even if women more often than not seem to be doing so for self interest.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:24 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:No I am not suggesting eugenics I’m saying that some people make bad parents and shouldn’t have children for their own and their child’s sake


The typical expectation is that people in developed countries go to university or training, learn something valuable, land a good job, etc. But if it was so easy, more people would do it. They don't because it is hard or difficult in practice. Setting yourself up for economic success is diametrically at odds with people's biology, so far as when it is most ideal to reproduce or start families. It often takes too long or involves a lot of debt.

By the time you finish medical school or whatever else (if you can even afford it), you're too old. Many people realize that they'll never become as financially successful as they want so it often isn't viable to delay having kids indefinitely. Because the "right time" where everything lines up in terms of opportunity costs, never comes. Women are working against more of a hard biological clock than men do.

Most cases of people having children is effectively by circumstance or accident. Many who could have children purely out of choice just don't, because it simply costs too much in today's economy and increasingly is troublesome or a hassle than in generations' past.
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