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[DRAFT] Repeal “Rights and Duties of WA States”

Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:55 am

“Talk is cheap and I’m bored. Figured it’d be fun to throw the metaphorical equivalent of a grenade in here.”

Whilst General Assembly Resolution #2, "Rights and Duties of WA States", served its purpose in the early days of the World Assembly, making order out of the cooling remains of that colossal fireball that wiped out our predecessor organisation;

The Assembly of Worlds now, however;

Saddened that many of its provisions on war and interactions between nations are illogical at best and actively detrimental to the goals of the World Assembly at worst;

Dismayed by the rather absurd definition of war, which blatantly disregards all plain understanding of actual armed conflict;

Reiterating that this definition limits legal wars solely to those which all nations involved consent or to prevent war from being declared against another nation;

Aghast that Article 10 severely limits or eliminates the ability of the WA to protect its own facilities, operations, and personnel;

Concerned that Articles 3 and 6 together provide no definitions “an unrequested intervention” and “fomenting civil strife” in their mandates;

Further Concerned that all of the aforementioned Articles limit the actions of member states in interactions with all nations, not just member states that are also bound to follow them;

Hoping for a swift replacement that removes or solves these problems while retaining the important functionality of the other Articles;

Hereby Repeals Rights and Duties of WA States.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:55 am

The General Assembly,

Appreciating the historical importance of GAR#2 “Right and Duties of WA States” to this assembly and its codification of important basic rules thereof;

Saddened however that many of its provisions on war and interactions between nations no longer make sense;

Recognizing in particular that the limitations on making war in Article 5 effectively prohibit all war, even to prevent a nation from committing genocide against its own population, as few to no reasonable nations would choose to consent to war;

Appreciating that Articles 3 and 7 together severely limit the ability of nations to sponsor or allow the operation of international charities, aid organizations, and civil rights organizations due to ability for dictatorial and oppressive nations to consider such organizations to be “an unrequested intervention” when sponsored by a member nation or “fomenting civil strife” if not;

Concerned that Article 10 not only prohibits the World Assembly from any form of intervention in armed conflict, even when it involves genocide or other crimes against sapients - but also prohibits the WA from specifically condemning such acts beyond existing legislation prohibiting such;

Further Concerned that all of the aforementioned Articles severely limit the ability of the WA and member nations to act against non-compliant nations where existing resolutions fall short, such as in instances with autarkic or coalitions of non-compliant nations preventing economic damages from being effective;

Hoping for a swift replacement that removes or solves these problems while retaining the important functionality of Articles 1, 2, 4, 8, 9, and 11;

Hereby Repeals Rights and Duties of WA States.

The General Assembly,

Appreciating the historical importance of GAR#2 “Right and Duties of WA States” to this assembly and its codification of important basic rules thereof;

Saddened however that many of its provisions on war and interactions between nations are illogical at best and actively detrimental to the goals of the World Assembly at worst;

Recognizing in particular that the limitations on making war in Article 5 effectively prohibits all war, even to intervene against a nation committing genocide against its own population, as few to no reasonable nations would choose to consent to war;

Concerned that Articles 3 and 6 together severely limit the ability of nations to sponsor or allow the operation of international charities, aid organizations, and civil rights organizations due to ability for dictatorial and oppressive nations to consider such organizations to be “an unrequested intervention” when sponsored by a member nation or “fomenting civil strife” if not;

Aghast that Article 10 severely limits or eliminates the ability of the WA to:
  • Provide concrete measures to protect member nations from attack by non-members,
  • Intervene to prevent conflict between member nations or between member nations and non-member nations,
  • Coordinate military action or collate information to assist member nations in avoiding conflict and in their military operations;
  • Condemn specific acts of war or work to promote action taken against crimes such as genocide,
  • Protect its own facilities, operations and personnel;

Concerned that all of the aforementioned Articles severely limit the ability of the WA and member nations to act against non-compliant nations where existing resolutions fall short, such as in instances with autarkic or coalitions of non-compliant nations preventing economic damages from being effective;

Hoping for a swift replacement that removes or solves these problems while retaining the important functionality of Articles 1, 2, 4, 8, 9, and 11;

Hereby Repeals Rights and Duties of WA States.

Whilst General Assembly Resolution #2, "Rights and Duties of WA States", served its purpose in the early days of the World Assembly, making order out of the cooling remains of that colossal fireball that wiped out our predecessor organisation;

The Assembly of Worlds now, however;

Saddened that many of its provisions on war and interactions between nations are illogical at best and actively detrimental to the goals of the World Assembly at worst;

Dismayed by the rather absurd definition of war, which blatantly disregards all plain understanding of actual armed conflict;

Concerned that Articles 3 and 6 together severely limit the ability of nations to sponsor or allow the operation of international charities, aid organizations, and civil rights organizations due to ability for dictatorial and oppressive nations to consider such organizations to be “an unrequested intervention” when sponsored by a member nation or “fomenting civil strife” if not;

Further Concerned that those same Articles limit the ability of member nations and the WA from attempting to even inform national populaces or otherwise promoting the benefits of compliant membership and consequences of non-compliant membership when non-compliant governments restrict such information;

Aghast that Article 10 severely limits or eliminates the ability of the WA to:
  • Protect member nations or its own facilities, operations, and personnel,
  • Intervene to prevent conflict between member nations or between member nations and non-member nations,
  • Coordinate military action or collate information to assist member nations in avoiding conflict and in their military operations;
  • Condemn specific acts of war or work to promote action taken against crimes such as genocide,

Hoping for a swift replacement that removes or solves these problems while retaining the important functionality of Articles 1, 2, 4, 8, 9, and 11;

Hereby Repeals Rights and Duties of WA States.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:04 pm

Do you have a replacement in the works?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:13 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:Do you have a replacement in the works?

“I found the draft from the ambassadors of Separatist Peoples to be excellent. If they no longer believe in their draft, I of course will look into producing my own.”

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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:28 pm

"Opposed. Many practises demanded by the Holy Book of Klyprer contravene World Assembly law. We do not want member nations having war unjustly waged upon them by an international body because they are enlightened by the divine truth."

Ooc: I'm not actually against a repeal of the resolution Ooc, but I do view this _
Lord Dominator wrote:Appreciating that Articles 3 and 7 together severely limit the ability of nations to sponsor or allow the operation of international charities, aid organizations, and civil rights organizations due to ability for dictatorial and oppressive nations to consider such organizations to be “an unrequested intervention” when sponsored by a member nation or “fomenting civil strife” if not;

as an exaggeration. I assume that you mean Article 6 by Article 7 :p and even so, "subject to the immunities recognised by international law" in Article 3 means that the World Assembly can pass a resolution allowing nations to do this and that would supercede Article 3.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:35 pm

In the past, moderators argued that resolution didn’t just block war, it blocked peacekeeping too even if the goal is to remain neutral ultimately, because the use of force itself was not allowed.

What’s interesting there is the way in which technology has caught up to the WA.

The WAHQ Act used the language “furnish the necessary security” which was found compliant, and later reused for the Multilateral Prosecution Act, because the secretariat believed this security could be purely technological. Out of curiosity, I wonder how today’s drone technology and the potential for drone strikes would interact with GA#2. I don’t think, for instance, it was the intention of GA#2’s author to allow drones to police a border. :p

This post is most likely a tangent, but I wanted to advise the author to be careful about the Honest Mistakes rule. Lately, the Secretariat has taken the rule extremely literally. The more clauses and arguments you add to the resolution, the more opportunity for them to rule the resolution contains some kind of error or error of omission.

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Postby Daarwyrth » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:35 pm

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:38 pm

No support. WA Army bad. (Also, it should not be the business of the World Assembly to deliberately and specifically destroy individual sectors of individual member economies.)
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Tinhampton wrote:No support. WA Army bad. (Also, it should not be the business of the World Assembly to deliberately and specifically destroy individual sectors of individual member economies.)


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Postby Morover » Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:04 pm

"Resolution 2 ought to be repealed, and this does a satisfactory case of demonstrating as such. While I agree that the Separatist Peoples' draft to be an adequate replacement, but we tend to be in favor of the free-for-all that will occur in the drafting processes in an effort to reinstate a new basic document for the Assembly. We support wholeheartedly."
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Postby Heidgaudr » Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:08 pm

OOC: Full support as long as there's a good replacement. I'll support Sep's replacement if he intends to submit it, or anybody else's replacement as long as it's of equal or better quality
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:17 pm

Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:Ooc: I'm not actually against a repeal of the resolution Ooc, but I do view this _
Lord Dominator wrote:Appreciating that Articles 3 and 7 together severely limit the ability of nations to sponsor or allow the operation of international charities, aid organizations, and civil rights organizations due to ability for dictatorial and oppressive nations to consider such organizations to be “an unrequested intervention” when sponsored by a member nation or “fomenting civil strife” if not;

as an exaggeration. I assume that you mean Article 6 by Article 7 :p and even so, "subject to the immunities recognised by international law" in Article 3 means that the World Assembly can pass a resolution allowing nations to do this and that would supercede Article 3.

“I try to be an efficient person, and while I could write a proposal to workaround it, it’s rather easier to get rid of such obstacles while getting rid of a resolution I already dislike. Also, Ambassador Greer basically dared me to get rid of this one.*

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Tinhampton wrote:No support. WA Army bad. (Also, it should not be the business of the World Assembly to deliberately and specifically destroy individual sectors of individual member economies.)

“You may see by my confused face that I’m not remotely clear where you get the idea that this proposed repeal promotes such actions. Or indeed, how the only mention of economic actions is not clearly related to existing resolutions on non-compliance. If this is legitimately unclear, I am open to phrasing suggestions while I mull over the existence of that clause.”
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:19 pm

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“Any true friend of mine would know that I normally hate repeals against the first 50 GA resolutions (excluding repeals, resolutions already repealed, and insignificant resolutions). However, given that the arguments made in this repeal are strong enough on a preliminary read and that there is a potential replacement already in the works, I will make an exception this time around. I will have to look into the replacement draft by the delegation of the Separatist Peoples later.”
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:29 am

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Postby Gruenberg » Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:31 am

Against. R&D isn't a real resolution, so it shouldn't be repealed. Should just be deleted.
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Gruenberg wrote:Against. R&D isn't a real resolution, so it shouldn't be repealed. Should just be deleted.

And how exactly do you think that GA#2 isn't a real resolution?
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:09 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Gruenberg wrote:Against. R&D isn't a real resolution, so it shouldn't be repealed. Should just be deleted.

And how exactly do you think that GA#2 isn't a real resolution?

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My guess would be that, if it were submitted today, would not only be below the current GA standards but also be highly illegal.

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Postby Gruenberg » Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:16 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Gruenberg wrote:Against. R&D isn't a real resolution, so it shouldn't be repealed. Should just be deleted.

And how exactly do you think that GA#2 isn't a real resolution?

Dunnot what "GA#2" is, but I was talking about Rights & Duties, which (a) was not passed by the normal resolution process (Frisbeeteria unilaterally used his "position as a Game Mod to push through a one-time-only acknowledgment of an existing metagame rule") and (b) violates the core site rules on plagiarism.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:32 am

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Ambassador M. Wyrzykowski: "The former GA № 2 was successfully repealed years ago by the delegation from Auralia. At that time, the shadowy WA elite manipulated the gnomes into expunging all recognition of this fact from the official WA record in an act that was unprecedented at the time (although this elite has now proclaimed themselves as GenSec and somehow convinced the GA at large to recognize their authority, allowing them to indulge in these shenanigans openly).

"In spite of these underhanded dealings, there are still a few of us who remember the passage of GA № 2's repeal, and as such we cannot support a resolution to repeal already-repealed legislation. Not only because this would be impossible, but additionally because to support or even recognize such a repeal would be a recognition that GA № 2 is active law."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:30 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Ambassador M. Wyrzykowski: "The former GA № 2 was successfully repealed years ago by the delegation from Auralia. At that time, the shadowy WA elite manipulated the gnomes into expunging all recognition of this fact from the official WA record in an act that was unprecedented at the time (although this elite has now proclaimed themselves as GenSec and somehow convinced the GA at large to recognize their authority, allowing them to indulge in these shenanigans openly).

"In spite of these underhanded dealings, there are still a few of us who remember the passage of GA № 2's repeal, and as such we cannot support a resolution to repeal already-repealed legislation. Not only because this would be impossible, but additionally because to support or even recognize such a repeal would be a recognition that GA № 2 is active law."

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:38 pm

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Ambassador M. Wyrzykowski: "The former GA № 2 was successfully repealed years ago by the delegation from Auralia. At that time, the shadowy WA elite manipulated the gnomes into expunging all recognition of this fact from the official WA record in an act that was unprecedented at the time (although this elite has now proclaimed themselves as GenSec and somehow convinced the GA at large to recognize their authority, allowing them to indulge in these shenanigans openly).

"In spite of these underhanded dealings, there are still a few of us who remember the passage of GA № 2's repeal, and as such we cannot support a resolution to repeal already-repealed legislation. Not only because this would be impossible, but additionally because to support or even recognize such a repeal would be a recognition that GA № 2 is active law."


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Postby Unibot III » Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:07 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:Ambassador M. Wyrzykowski: "The former GA № 2 was successfully repealed years ago by the delegation from Auralia. At that time, the shadowy WA elite manipulated the gnomes into expunging all recognition of this fact from the official WA record in an act that was unprecedented at the time (although this elite has now proclaimed themselves as GenSec and somehow convinced the GA at large to recognize their authority, allowing them to indulge in these shenanigans openly).

"In spite of these underhanded dealings, there are still a few of us who remember the passage of GA № 2's repeal, and as such we cannot support a resolution to repeal already-repealed legislation. Not only because this would be impossible, but additionally because to support or even recognize such a repeal would be a recognition that GA № 2 is active law."


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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:39 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:Ambassador M. Wyrzykowski: "The former GA № 2 was successfully repealed years ago by the delegation from Auralia. At that time, the shadowy WA elite manipulated the gnomes into expunging all recognition of this fact from the official WA record in an act that was unprecedented at the time (although this elite has now proclaimed themselves as GenSec and somehow convinced the GA at large to recognize their authority, allowing them to indulge in these shenanigans openly).

"In spite of these underhanded dealings, there are still a few of us who remember the passage of GA № 2's repeal, and as such we cannot support a resolution to repeal already-repealed legislation. Not only because this would be impossible, but additionally because to support or even recognize such a repeal would be a recognition that GA № 2 is active law."

“Consider this to be burning and salting the remains of #2 then - I know I will be.”

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