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Who is at fault?

1. It is 100 percent the fault of Dream the Creator.
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2. It is overwhelmingly Dream’s fault (above 75 percent), some blame goes to the Corinthian.
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20%
3. It is Dream’s fault a bit more (higher than 50, less than 75), some blame goes to the Corinthian.
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4. It is 50-50 Dream and the Coronthian’s fault.
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10%
5. It is Corinthian’s fault a bit more (higher than 50, less than 75), some blame goes to Dream.
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No votes
6. It is overwhelmingly Corinthian’s fault (above 75 percent), some blame goes to Dream.
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10%
7. It is 100 percent the fault of the Corinthian.
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60%
8. It is nobody’s fault. Everyone is just a slave to their programming.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:43 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical based on the Sandman comics:

When humans go to sleep, they unknowingly enter into the realm of the Dreaming, controlled and run by a very powerful de facto god of dreams (Dream of the Endless).

Dream rules his domain with an iron fist, regulating the rules of the dream world and maintaining a balance between dreams and reality. He creates living dreams and nightmares which populate the Dreaming and help to administer humanity’s fantasies.

Dream creates a monster called the Corinthian, a living nightmare who looks human except for his eyes which are replaced with open mouths filled with sharp teeth. Dream says that the purpose of the Corinthian is to be:

A dark mirror that would reflect humanity’s darkest desires and dreams that they were too afraid to confront. The Corinthian, in short, was the manifestation of all those dark desires. The desire to bring chaos and anarchy was deep-rooted inside him. His purpose was to reflect those horrors so that humanity would keep a check on its sanity and would never cross the boundaries.


Try your best to interpret what that is supposed to mean (or if it even makes sense).

After existing in the dream world for centuries, the Corinthian enters the real world and begins operating as a serial murderer. Dream attempts to uncreate him but by random chance is himself trapped away for over a century.

During roughly 100 year period, the Corinthian becomes a prolific serial killer and uses his nightmare powers to influence others to become killers as well. There is a massive upsurge in the number of serial killers across the world. In the USA, a “cereal convention” is held throughout the 1980s attended by a large group consisting of America’s most vicious serial killers every year to promote and celebrate their hobbies as “collectors.” The killers do not know that the Corinthian is a living nightmare but they revere him as a legend among killers. He appears as a keynote speaker from time to time.

Who’s fault is all of this?

Clearly, the Corinthian killed people but does he really have free will? How much blame can we assign to his creator Dream?


1. It is 100 percent the fault of Dream the Creator.

2. It is overwhelmingly Dream’s fault (above 75 percent), some blame goes to the Corinthian.

3. It is Dream’s fault a bit more (higher than 50, less than 75), some blame goes to the Corinthian.

4. It is 50-50 Dream and the Coronthian’s fault.

5. It is Corinthian’s fault a bit more (higher than 50, less than 75), some blame goes to Dream.

6. It is overwhelmingly Corinthian’s fault (above 75 percent), some blame goes to Dream.

7. It is 100 percent the fault of the Corinthian.

8. It is nobody’s fault. Everyone is just a slave to their programming.



I’m going with option 2. You can’t exactly create someone to be a “dark mirror,” focus all of humanity’s dark impulses and then expect that to turn out okay. It sounds like a very irresponsible thing to do. A tiger is going to try and eat other animals if that’s how it’s programmed.

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Postby Comfed » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:47 pm

Reminds me somewhat of the Egyptian myth of the creation of the goddess Sekhmet.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:49 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:After existing in the dream world for centuries, the Corinthian enters the real world

How? I can't answer this in good conscience unless I know whether he was let loose or just escaped :P
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:56 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:After existing in the dream world for centuries, the Corinthian enters the real world

How? I can't answer this in good conscience unless I know whether he was let loose or just escaped :P


He escaped. Since the dream lord forbids dreams and nightmares from entering the realm of the real.

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Postby New Northwesteros » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:59 pm

Attended Cereal Convention 2022. There was no cereal. 0/10 would not attend again.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:21 pm

Plotting an escape would suggest free will, and a wish to cause harm in the real world.

All the murders are on his own head (we are not "slaves to our conditioning", and to claim so seems little more than a poor excuse for wicked behaviour).

As for "Dream's" explanation of the creation of the monster -- people may have dark dreams; dark dreams are harmless; just the brain sorting through random stuff and creating an image. We don't prosecute people because they had a dark dream. If they go and act it out in the real world, harming real people, we do.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:01 am

New Northwesteros wrote:Attended Cereal Convention 2022. There was no cereal. 0/10 would not attend again.


There might be some in the hotel buffet area in the early hours if you’ve got a meal voucher etc

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:05 am

Comfed wrote:Reminds me somewhat of the Egyptian myth of the creation of the goddess Sekhmet.


Oh? How so?

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Postby Juristonia » Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:54 am

Oh joy, you've watched another TV show.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:01 am

Juristonia wrote:Oh joy, you've watched another TV show.


No, this time he read a comic book. Ain't it a twist?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:16 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Oh joy, you've watched another TV show.


No, this time he read a comic book. Ain't it a twist?

I don't know... I could go for the odd hypothetical based on some of the novels considered the greatest of all time (like War and Peace, or Ulysses, or 100 Years of Solitude).

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:33 am

asking for a friend?

it’s Dream’s fault for creating that one music video, which is presumably why the monster wanted to leave.

and here I thought this thread would be about whether you should put milk or cereal first.

okay, fine, I’ll answer seriously.

there’s nothing to suggest that the monster is some sort of unfeeling robot who only carries out directives. in fact, there’s a reason to believe otherwise. it presumably left of its own accord, not on accident. and murder wasn’t part of its job description (actually, the hypothetical doesn’t explain what its job was in the first place). it chose to leave and kill of its own volition, which makes it responsible.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:09 am

Oh look. There really is a Sandman TV series with that scene in it. I take back my praise for variation.
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Postby The House of Hamid » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:39 am

Wow, that's almost as absurd as the religions we already have! :rofl:
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Postby Vikanias » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:04 pm

Thought this was the Oh Dreams cereal (it gives you Lumbago)

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Postby Chan Island » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Oh hey, you saw something new.

Anyway, the Corinthian's at fault. You are responsible for your own actions, even if there are mitigating circumstances.
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