NATION

PASSWORD

Disneyland Style Utopia?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Floofybit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 922
Founded: Sep 11, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Disneyland Style Utopia?

Postby Floofybit » Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:18 pm

Please consider the following:

While systems like socialism, communism, and capitalism exist, I have put together a fourth, Disneyland Style system.

The economy gains money based primarily on tourism, imports, and exports with selling food and souvenirs to tourists. Millions of tourists flock per day to enjoy the entertainment that the country puts on.

The residents run the country. They each work 3 random consecutive days and there is always someone working every day. The other 4 days are play days where they receive a set amount of money to use on that day. A small chunk of leftovers go back to the government while the rest goes to personal savings. Depending on how necessary and important the job, the more daily money the person makes. These include law enforcement and first aid.

While most of the business is civilian run, education and healthcare is public and government run. Furthermore, children do not work, but go to 3 days of education.

Could this form of government ever work? Personally, I would like to see this happen, but it may make the country seem weak and reliant on other nations.

What do you think?
Fluff/Floof Pronouns ОшО
Falls Under The "Canine" Species
Avid Fruit Addict
Favourite Colour Is Tangerine (FF9966)
Favourite Animal Is West Highland Terrier
ЦшЦ
Foxlington News
Fruit addiction terrorises Floofybits, no known cure has been found | Man purchases too much tangerine juice and goes bankrupt but highballed people and is now a millionaire | Woman arrested for having "too many favourite colours" and will be released in 2034. | Peachton man identiies as a kumquat, watch his story
(My fruit addiction is almost definitely back)
Buy my chocolate here!
"Gotta be some Disneyland style utopia for either people and dogs or... anthropomorphic animals."

User avatar
Future Beans
Secretary
 
Posts: 27
Founded: Mar 07, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Future Beans » Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:24 pm

I mean it could work, the Economy would be huge, and would have a good tourism reputation.

so there's a 89% this would work in modern nations.

There would be People put into office every 3 days. so that means the leadership of the nation would change through every 3 days
witch means that could mean People with a abusive intentions could be put into office, witch would hurt the nation a lot as there dependent on the people that are in office.
Last edited by Future Beans on Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Chaoticonia
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Aug 02, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Chaoticonia » Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:28 pm

Floofybit wrote:Please consider the following:

While systems like socialism, communism, and capitalism exist, I have put together a fourth, Disneyland Style system.

The economy gains money based primarily on tourism, imports, and exports with selling food and souvenirs to tourists. Millions of tourists flock per day to enjoy the entertainment that the country puts on.

The residents run the country. They each work 3 random consecutive days and there is always someone working every day. The other 4 days are play days where they receive a set amount of money to use on that day.?


So, are the residents required to work or is 3 days just the maximum?

Sounds a bit like Las Vegas or some Caribbean Nations.

User avatar
Rakhalia
Envoy
 
Posts: 339
Founded: Jul 27, 2022
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Rakhalia » Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:29 pm

If anyone can look at the state of modern theme parks and deduce that this can be rendered 'utopian', they have a... very skewed view of politics.

Disregarding all the evident flaws, few countries can operate on this system by its very nature; your 'utopia' would be fed and provided for by poor manufacturing countries that would have to export their shit cheaply and thus on cripplingly low wages with little alternative. Your utopia would be fed by slaves.
In this house we believe:
  • The European Union is an instrument of Hitlerite white supremacy
  • Mao Zedong was one of the greatest leaders of the 20th Century
  • The police force should be disbanded
  • Neither gender nor sex are binaries

User avatar
Kerwa
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1517
Founded: Jul 24, 2021
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Kerwa » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:11 pm

For actually trying to come up with something new 10/10.

Unfortunately theme parks are manifestation of hell, so I can only award 5/10 for substance.

Keep trying however. Edison didn’t take credit for the airplane on his first attempt.

User avatar
Risottia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54403
Founded: Sep 05, 2006
Democratic Socialists

Postby Risottia » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:43 am

Floofybit wrote:Please consider the following:

While systems like socialism, communism, and capitalism exist, I have put together a fourth, Disneyland Style system.

The economy gains money based primarily on tourism, imports, and exports with selling food and souvenirs to tourists. Millions of tourists flock per day to enjoy the entertainment that the country puts on.


How do they produce the goods they sell?
Statanist through and through.
Evilutionist Atheist Crusadjihadist. "Darwinu Akhbar! Dawkins vult!"
Founder of the NSG Peace Prize Committee.
I'm back.
SUMMER, BLOODY SUMMER!

User avatar
Arisyan
Diplomat
 
Posts: 589
Founded: Apr 05, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Arisyan » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:45 am

Utopia? No, more like dystopia. This is just a form of liberalism anyways.
Hyper-meta-post-post-modern populist eco-libertarian democratic socialist with council communist, luxemburgist, social ecologist and democratic confederalist characteristics and Celtic Nationalist Aesthetics and anti-fascist praxis.


Canadian Republican, Anti-monarchist, Anti-commonwealth. Bring back the FLQ and Weather Underground!
I'm interested in geography and politics and existential dread. *internal screaming*
Anatoliyanskiy's OOC nation he uses to scream into the void that is NSG. Free Rojava! (IRL one, not NS)
I'm BI

User avatar
Floofybit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 922
Founded: Sep 11, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:53 am

Future Beans wrote:I mean it could work, the Economy would be huge, and would have a good tourism reputation.

so there's a 89% this would work in modern nations.

There would be People put into office every 3 days. so that means the leadership of the nation would change through every 3 days
witch means that could mean People with a abusive intentions could be put into office, witch would hurt the nation a lot as there dependent on the people that are in office.

On the contrary, I think it would help the government because there would be multiple leaders, and it would take at least full week to finalize a vote.

I honestly wasn't thinking about this
Last edited by Floofybit on Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fluff/Floof Pronouns ОшО
Falls Under The "Canine" Species
Avid Fruit Addict
Favourite Colour Is Tangerine (FF9966)
Favourite Animal Is West Highland Terrier
ЦшЦ
Foxlington News
Fruit addiction terrorises Floofybits, no known cure has been found | Man purchases too much tangerine juice and goes bankrupt but highballed people and is now a millionaire | Woman arrested for having "too many favourite colours" and will be released in 2034. | Peachton man identiies as a kumquat, watch his story
(My fruit addiction is almost definitely back)
Buy my chocolate here!
"Gotta be some Disneyland style utopia for either people and dogs or... anthropomorphic animals."

User avatar
Hispida
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5837
Founded: Jun 21, 2021
Anarchy

Postby Hispida » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:55 am

this is awful
There are two types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate data based on existing information,
he/they (genderfluid!), ace/aro, "abberation," "stalin apologist"
warrior for truth, justice, and the marxist-leninist-maoist way

Victory Day: February 23, 2022

current music recommendation: Mr. Kill Myself by Sewerslvt

User avatar
Floofybit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 922
Founded: Sep 11, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:56 am

Chaoticonia wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Please consider the following:

While systems like socialism, communism, and capitalism exist, I have put together a fourth, Disneyland Style system.

The economy gains money based primarily on tourism, imports, and exports with selling food and souvenirs to tourists. Millions of tourists flock per day to enjoy the entertainment that the country puts on.

The residents run the country. They each work 3 random consecutive days and there is always someone working every day. The other 4 days are play days where they receive a set amount of money to use on that day.?


So, are the residents required to work or is 3 days just the maximum?

Sounds a bit like Las Vegas or some Caribbean Nations.

Good point. The workers aren't required, but they don't get paid if they don't work. However, a large stake would be invested into welfare to help get money to the unable. It's like any job, but 3 days are needed for 4 days of comfortable pay.
Fluff/Floof Pronouns ОшО
Falls Under The "Canine" Species
Avid Fruit Addict
Favourite Colour Is Tangerine (FF9966)
Favourite Animal Is West Highland Terrier
ЦшЦ
Foxlington News
Fruit addiction terrorises Floofybits, no known cure has been found | Man purchases too much tangerine juice and goes bankrupt but highballed people and is now a millionaire | Woman arrested for having "too many favourite colours" and will be released in 2034. | Peachton man identiies as a kumquat, watch his story
(My fruit addiction is almost definitely back)
Buy my chocolate here!
"Gotta be some Disneyland style utopia for either people and dogs or... anthropomorphic animals."

User avatar
El Lazaro
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1539
Founded: Oct 19, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:26 am

The country would have to be small because tourism isn’t enough to prop up a major economy. Poor productivity and lack of education would result in a low standard of living. The country would have little economic (or military) power in its own right. Sure, living in a scenic backwater might be your thing, but some level of corruption, authoritarianism, and foreign control would be certain.
Last edited by El Lazaro on Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Arisyan
Diplomat
 
Posts: 589
Founded: Apr 05, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Arisyan » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:34 am

Also Disney and utopia are not two words that can go together in the same sentence.
Hyper-meta-post-post-modern populist eco-libertarian democratic socialist with council communist, luxemburgist, social ecologist and democratic confederalist characteristics and Celtic Nationalist Aesthetics and anti-fascist praxis.


Canadian Republican, Anti-monarchist, Anti-commonwealth. Bring back the FLQ and Weather Underground!
I'm interested in geography and politics and existential dread. *internal screaming*
Anatoliyanskiy's OOC nation he uses to scream into the void that is NSG. Free Rojava! (IRL one, not NS)
I'm BI

User avatar
Thermodolia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 73831
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Thermodolia » Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:28 pm

Ah Disney the corporation which tries to look like it’s the happiest on earth when in reality it’s one of the worst to work for
Male, State Socialist, Cultural Nationalist, Welfare Chauvinist lives somewhere in AZ I'm GAY! Disabled US Military Veteran
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Drongonia
Minister
 
Posts: 2043
Founded: Feb 11, 2019
Corporate Bordello

Postby Drongonia » Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:36 pm

I have to be honest, this sounds pretty terrible.

There are a few issues, some of which have already been said before but here's a non-exhaustive list.
  • The government would be massively unstable if it were changing every 3 days
  • The theme park's food and souvenirs would have to be imported, making your country entirely dependent on foreign labour/manufacturing
  • The citizens would have very little freedom (if that matters to you) as they probably don't get to choose their jobs and can't stray too far from the tourist-y parts if at all
  • You'd have to have double the amount of "trained professional" people like law enforcement, medical professionals, tradespeople etc since you have to roster them on a 3-day basis
  • Any possible environmental mishap would basically destroy the nation entirely (economically and ecologically)
  • Children only getting three days of education doesn't sound great, not to mention that their teachers would be changing all the time
  • The country would be wholly subservient to their suppliers and to any larger powers around them
  • The country as a whole would be viewed more as an "economic zone" rather than a nation state and it'd be difficult to foster a sense of community amongst those living there.

User avatar
The Two Jerseys
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18477
Founded: Jun 07, 2012
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:10 pm

Your Chinese overlords (because let's face it, the countries making the merchandise you sell have you over a barrel) won't be big fans of Winnie the Pooh...
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
"If I would like to watch goodness, sanity, God and logic being fucked I would watch Japanese porn." -Nightkill the Emperor
"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
Join Excalibur Squadron. We're Commandos who fly Spitfires. Chicks dig Commandos who fly Spitfires.

User avatar
Washington-Columbia
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 123
Founded: Jan 29, 2022
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Washington-Columbia » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:00 am

Even if it works out and everyone's happy, it is going to take a single pandemic or a drop in tourism to make the economy stall to the ground.

Turns out having industries that collapse during major international tragedies have big stakes in the Economy is a really bad idea.
Last edited by Washington-Columbia on Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:01 am, edited 1 time in total.
CBC N5 Weekly News: Santa Maria Nightclub Shooter linked to Neo-Nazi Terrorist Group
Iranian Commander leaves his position
Papua New Guinean Airliner lost near Taiwan, search in progress
SPECIAL NEWS REPORT: ISO Trooper finds dead body of terrorist involved in VNSE Bombing, presumed to be shot by US Soldier

Proud hater of Marxism-Leninism, The Soviets, The Axis and the PRC
If you are an "True American" or a Patriot, then you shouldn't be flying a Confederate flag, endorsing attacks on civil rights, or supporting Putinist Russia.
SHUT UP [names of people who unironically support Nazi Germany], YOURE NOT AN SS OFFICER SENT TO DESTROY WOKE HEGIMONY, YOURE An EDGY 14-YEAR-OLD WHO LIVES IN CHICAGO, IL

User avatar
Emotional Support Crocodile
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1144
Founded: Jun 06, 2022
New York Times Democracy

Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:30 am

Who would be in charge - Mousolini or some other ducktator?
Just another surprising item on the bagging scale of life

User avatar
Page
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16438
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:26 am

It could work for a place with the right geography. Geography is really key. I don't care how many casinos and malls you build in Fargo, you will never have a tourism-based economy. Las Vegas works because it's warm and dry almost all the time and because it is just a few hours' flight for every American in the lower 48. Disneyland and Disneyworld are in California and Florida for a reason. You have to have a place with good weather that is easily accessible for hundreds of millions of people, and with the exception of Las Vegas you have to be close to a major body of water.

One good rule for all of the social sciences: However much you think geography matters, it matters 3 times as much.
I am an internationalist, geolibertarian anarcho-futurist with syncretic egoist and Marxist tendencies. I consider authoritarianism to be intrinsically and irrevocably evil regardless of the authoritarians' intentions or economic inclinations. I do not recognize any law, government, border, or claim to private property.

I don't believe in kink-shaming unless your kink is submitting to the state.

Protect yourself from Covid-19: Stop licking boots.

User avatar
Informed Consent
Envoy
 
Posts: 240
Founded: Apr 13, 2022
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Informed Consent » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:24 pm

Already living it.
Clowns and concessions (MacDonalds anyone?) while the rides and attractions may be a bit more mundane (IBM to the DMV) there are still half qualified apparatchiks trying to tell me I am too short, or tall (light or dark, gay or straight, gender specific or ambiguous) for this ride or that show.
The soundtrack is generic, and the stage performances are the typical uninspired robot productions you find at any Chuck E. Cheese B-Day party.

More or less the state line rest stop version of the Matrix.
Free your bowels.
(The only thing you are really allowed to.)
Last edited by Informed Consent on Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:55 pm, edited 4 times in total.
"Life gets bigger when you leave the herd."

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Tech Modling
 
Posts: 61828
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:41 pm

1. Tech modling. No idea what it means, but it has a fancy colour.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. Size matters. Bigger is forbidden and won't give the mods pleasure.

User avatar
Andronya
Envoy
 
Posts: 221
Founded: Aug 14, 2021
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Andronya » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:51 pm

I deffinetly don't understand one key aspect of this: How do you have mostly private sector running the economy but "everyone gets a set amount of money"? And if everyone is rotating jobs every 3 days, how is there a private sector to begin with?
Andronya: Your tropical, right-wing libertarian paradise.

User avatar
The House of Hamid
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 434
Founded: Jun 27, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The House of Hamid » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:16 pm

...as if anything related to that old antisemite could be anything but a dystopia. :rofl:
-ПТН- -ХЛО-
●▬ஜ☪ 1881 - 193∞ ☪ஜ▬●
Yaşasın Azərbaycan Qəhrəmanları!
"Fakat zehir kadar acı olsa da hakikat ilacını içiniz." - Kâzım Karabekir
Better to have lived a free man and be damned than to have lived a slave and be rewarded for it.

User avatar
Mountains and Volcanoes
Envoy
 
Posts: 298
Founded: Jun 16, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Walt Disney: Cancelable Past

Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:24 pm

The House of Hamid wrote:...as if anything related to that old antisemite could be anything but a dystopia[n nightmare]. :rofl:
Also, anything related to that anti-communist (by proxy anti-leftist), hyper-capitalist, and anti-regulation is going to be Armageddon-ish (by principal)!
Last edited by Mountains and Volcanoes on Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:40 pm, edited 3 times in total.

User avatar
The House of Hamid
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 434
Founded: Jun 27, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The House of Hamid » Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:44 pm

Mountains and Volcanoes wrote:
The House of Hamid wrote:...as if anything related to that old antisemite could be anything but a dystopia[n nightmare]. :rofl:
Also, anything related to that anti-communist (by proxy anti-leftist), hyper-capitalist, and anti-regulation is going to be Armageddon-ish (by principal)!


Precisely. :D

I mean... I am by no means a communist, but this man is truly disgusting.
-ПТН- -ХЛО-
●▬ஜ☪ 1881 - 193∞ ☪ஜ▬●
Yaşasın Azərbaycan Qəhrəmanları!
"Fakat zehir kadar acı olsa da hakikat ilacını içiniz." - Kâzım Karabekir
Better to have lived a free man and be damned than to have lived a slave and be rewarded for it.

User avatar
Wayneactia
Senator
 
Posts: 3768
Founded: Aug 01, 2014
New York Times Democracy

Postby Wayneactia » Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:38 pm

I’m more for a UFP style utopia, where the accumulation of wealth and possessions is irrelevant and humanity works together to better itself and the planet. I do believe if we survive long enough, it will be achieved.
Sarcasm dispensed moderately.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Cacatuoidea, ColdShadow, Free Stalliongrad, Hwiteard, Khurkhogur, Revolutionary Burgundy, Shrillland, Warvick

Advertisement

Remove ads