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Postby RedBrickLand » Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:07 am

I would like to ask how I, a measly card collector, can become a Master Card Collector?
Here are my main questions. Feel free to give me as much useful tips as possible!
1. How to accumulate lots of bank?
2. How to trade up for valuable cards?
3. How many puppets do I need?
4. How do I get cards that I want if they have no asks?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:53 am

1. Junk, junk, sell, sell
2. Beg
3. Thousands
4. Telegram the owners
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Postby RedBrickLand » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:55 am

The Orwell Society wrote:3. Thousands

Really? How would I even be able to manage that much puppets?
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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:58 am

1. Make card puppets and put them in a large puppet storage (I would suggest for you to make 50 at first)
2. Use racoda's method of keeping track of them here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1383002
3. Junk and sell to get card monni
4. Out-bid people in market (legendary if you have a lot of card money)
5. find joe schmoe's in feeder region's and beg them for cards
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Postby Kwisatz Carderach » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:59 am

1. How to accumulate lots of bank?
By junking or selling cards. I get most of my bank from junking, but I don't sell any of the legendaries I pull, so YMMV.
2. How to trade up for valuable cards?
Don't beg. Save enough bank to get the cards you want and buy them. Some people are willing to trade as well, but the market is more dependable.
3. How many puppets do I need?
This varies a lot depending on what your goals are and what timeframe you want to achieve them in. There are players in the top 100 who don't use any puppets at all. I have around 760, though I don't farm them super regularly anymore.
4. How do I get cards that I want if they have no asks?
Put up a standing bid or telegram owners. Don't telegram people who have the card in a collection. I'd also recommend joining the NS Cards Discord server for this, they can usually find someone who has whatever card you're looking for on a farming puppet.

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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:01 am

Kwisatz Carderach wrote:1. How to accumulate lots of bank?
By junking or selling cards. I get most of my bank from junking, but I don't sell any of the legendaries I pull, so YMMV.
2. How to trade up for valuable cards?
Don't beg. Save enough bank to get the cards you want and buy them. Some people are willing to trade as well, but the market is more dependable.
3. How many puppets do I need?
This varies a lot depending on what your goals are and what timeframe you want to achieve them in. There are players in the top 100 who don't use any puppets at all. I have around 760, though I don't farm them super regularly anymore.
4. How do I get cards that I want if they have no asks?
Put up a standing bid or telegram owners. Don't telegram people who have the card in a collection. I'd also recommend joining the NS Cards Discord server for this, they can usually find someone who has whatever card you're looking for on a farming puppet.

well beg at first
plus there is no way u can bid on certain legendaries
No one knows where every legendary is
there has to be some type of card list
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Postby Kwisatz Carderach » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:07 am

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:well beg at first
plus there is no way u can bid on certain legendaries
No one knows where every legendary is
there has to be some type of card list

No one likes beggers.

There are plenty of collections that contain every legendary (here's mine), and r3n/The Northern Light maintains the card queries site, which can generate a list of cards that meet a set of parameters for you.

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Postby South Pacifican Kilendjj » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:15 am

Kwisatz Carderach wrote:
South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:well beg at first
plus there is no way u can bid on certain legendaries
No one knows where every legendary is
there has to be some type of card list

No one likes beggers.

There are plenty of collections that contain every legendary (here's mine), and r3n/The Northern Light maintains the card queries site, which can generate a list of cards that meet a set of parameters for you.

hmmmm
well I begged and I got 2 legendaries outta it
also is there a list with every single card?
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Postby Kwisatz Carderach » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:19 am

South Pacifican Kilendjj wrote:also is there a list with every single card?


Every Season 1 card
Every Season 2 card

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Postby Hustlertwo » Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:13 am

1. Buy low, sell high.
2. Do enough of #1 that you have bank enough to buy better cards.
3. None
4. You can message an owner to see if they have a price they'd part with it, but for the most part, there's enough cards out there with asks that you won't need to worry about this, at least until you get more established.
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Postby One Small Island » Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:48 pm

RedBrickLand wrote:I would like to ask how I, a measly card collector, can become a Master Card Collector?
Here are my main questions. Feel free to give me as much useful tips as possible!
1. How to accumulate lots of bank?
2. How to trade up for valuable cards?
3. How many puppets do I need?
4. How do I get cards that I want if they have no asks?

Of all the people in this thread, listen to Hustlertwo more than the others. Hustler has achieved the 44th most valuable deck in the game without using puppets; so if anyone knows how to play the game effectively it's them.

1.) Sell Legendaries. Legendaries sell higher than any other card in the game; inflated cards, particularly commons, will never sell for their deck value.
2.) You don't trade up for valuable cards. You accumulate bank until you can afford to buy them, or you get them from packs.
3.) As many as you want. I've maintained my spot in the mid-thirties for over a year with only around 60 puppets and I don't farm most of those every day.
4.) Place bids on those cards. When people pull them, if your bid is acceptable they'll sell you the card. When I'm trying to get a card for a collection, I tend to place my bid about .05 bank over junk value for cards with an average-high number of owners, at around 1 - 5 bank for cards that are very low owner.
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Postby Fhaengshia » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:00 pm

From just the title, depending on your country you can ask your bank for a MasterCard :p

From the rest of your post, I have to ask what is a master card collector?
Some people like deck value, but that's not the only metric, and doesn't have anything to do with collections inherently. Some of the most impressive or interesting collections aren't that valuable. I would say a master collector would be someone who has completed (if it's possible) an impressive collection. The two collections I'm most proud of are Every season 2 delegate and Every commended and condemned nation. The collection collection thread has numerous collections that I and many others consider impressive. If you're not just hunting for deck value I would recommend taking inspiration from there.

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Postby One Small Island » Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:05 am

That's a good point Faeng; I assumed from his questions that he was just interested in deck value, but there are many very valid ways to play the card game.
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Postby Vylixan » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:35 am

I would redefine "Master Card Collector", since there is no such thing.
Don't go chasing what other people in the cards community do, define your own goals.
I'd hate to see another person mindlessly chase DV as the only valid play style.
Maybe you want to collect all cards or a region near and dear to your hard, or want to collect all cards with crowns on them. Or you might like cards the reference French culture or flags?
Maybe you just want to challenge yourself and collect all site staff cards? Who knows?
Maybe challenge yourself to just create 10 nations and only use those. Maybe make it a challenge to create nice regions, nations and flags for the puppets you create?
Try to use all the scripts, or none at all! Heist everybody, or be like Robin Hood and gift cards to new players.

So go out there and explore cards, define your own style, and don't try to copy to much what other people do

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Postby RedBrickLand » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:45 am

Vylixan wrote:So go out there and explore cards, define your own style, and don't try to copy to much what other people do

Ok, I see. After all, cards don't impact anything(except for getting that extra gold badge)in the game so I should treat it as a hobby. I should go at my own pace and define my own goals. Thank you for all the feedback, everyone!
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:14 am

RedBrickLand wrote:
Vylixan wrote:

Ok, I see. After all, cards don't impact anything(except for getting that extra gold badge)in the game so I should treat it as a hobby.

What else were you thinking ? Starting a career as 'cards dealer for a living ? The card game, as serious some people seem to take it, is nothing more than another way to waste leisure time (and maybe to get a little satisfied if you own a or some nice and original unique collection(s) of cards) , that´s all.

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Postby RedBrickLand » Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:27 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:
RedBrickLand wrote:Ok, I see. After all, cards don't impact anything(except for getting that extra gold badge)in the game so I should treat it as a hobby.

What else were you thinking ? Starting a career as 'cards dealer for a living ?


:rofl: No, I have a life outside NS. I was simply thinking of being in the top 50 someday... someday.
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Postby Riemstagrad » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:25 am

Just wait until the value of all those inflated cards drops back to their actual value and the top 50 melts as an iceberg in 2050.

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Postby Hustlertwo » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:11 am

Riemstagrad wrote:Just wait until the value of all those inflated cards drops back to their actual value and the top 50 melts as an iceberg in 2050.


Um, they just inflate more cards when others fade out. Unless the game experiences a massive reset from the admins, I don't see the top 50 changing a bunch. People that high are diversified enough that deflating them would require a coordinated effort against so many cards that the only ones capable of doing that are...also in the top 50.

Now, I will say if any high-ranking person, maybe one in the top 10 or top 15, decided to sell off all their cards at once, it would have a noticeable effect on the rankings. But even then, it would diminish the value of lower ranking people too for the most part, so not as catastrophic as you might think.
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Postby Barlyy » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:19 am

1 - You can do it the common way, which is making puppets for the sole purpose of generating cards and selling those cards for bank, OR you can do it the Hustlertwo way and just not utilize puppets at all which will certainly be harder.
2 - Depends on what you mean by "valuable". If you mean inflated cards (low-rarity cards which have abnormally high market value), you can buy them but be careful when you buy them -- you should probably buy it for less than 10% of its market value, and also make sure that card's market value won't crash. If you mean legendary cards (self-explanatory), farming and making bank should be enough.
3 - Really depends. I personally was able to hit 47th in International Artwork with almost none at all (around 5 or so), but that's not consistent. 50 or so should be a good start. 100 and 200 will get you plenty of bank. If you wanna be like top 10, probably will need more than 500 or maybe even
thousands.
4 - Put up a reasonable bid! If you wait long enough, people should eventually match your bid. Or you could just telegram some of the owners of the card -- that'll do the job.
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Postby Hustlertwo » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:45 am

Barlyy wrote:1 - You can do it the common way, which is making puppets for the sole purpose of generating cards and selling those cards for bank, OR you can do it the Hustlertwo way and just not utilize puppets at all which will certainly be harder.
2 - Depends on what you mean by "valuable". If you mean inflated cards (low-rarity cards which have abnormally high market value), you can buy them but be careful when you buy them -- you should probably buy it for less than 10% of its market value, and also make sure that card's market value won't crash. If you mean legendary cards (self-explanatory), farming and making bank should be enough.
3 - Really depends. I personally was able to hit 47th in International Artwork with almost none at all (around 5 or so), but that's not consistent. 50 or so should be a good start. 100 and 200 will get you plenty of bank. If you wanna be like top 10, probably will need more than 500 or maybe even
thousands.
4 - Put up a reasonable bid! If you wait long enough, people should eventually match your bid. Or you could just telegram some of the owners of the card -- that'll do the job.


Good advice all around. Although I'd say you should be buying inflateds a good bit cheaper than 10% if you can help it. I always went by 1% as my guideline, but those days seem to be coming to an end. Not completely; I just bought a 1,000 value card for 6.06 a few minutes ago (which put me back into the top 40, yeehaw). But it's less common than it used to be. Still, under 5% should always be feasible, and a good way for an early player to avoid spending too much on a card of shifting value.

Looking at the trade history of the card is also vital. You have to be able to predict exactly how many sales the card has before it bottoms out, and make sure if it's on the bubble, you sell it off before you end up being the one left holding the bag.
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Postby Cardisdia Vault » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:22 pm

I have a question. How much is a good price for a low owner card.

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Postby Vylixan » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:46 am

Cardisdia Vault wrote:I have a question. How much is a good price for a low owner card.


For S2 cards at or around JV a lot of traders and collectors go by the 1 bank divided by the number of owners method.
This gives us these values.
  • 1 owner: 1 bank
  • 2 owner: 0.50 bank
  • 3 owner: 0.33 bank
  • 4 owner: 0.25 bank
  • 5 owner: 0.20 bank
  • 6 owner: 0.16 bank
  • 7 owner: 0.14 bank

After 7 owners most people fall back to values like 0.15, 0.10. 0.5

A less popular alternative way of doing this is
  • 1 owner: 1 bank
  • 2 owner: 0.50 bank
  • 3 owner: 0.25 bank
  • 4 owner: 0.12 bank
  • 5 owner: 0.06 bank

If there are properties of the card that make it an irregular card the value can vary a bit.
Traders that are buying low owners to complete collections are sometimes willing to pay more for low owners.

Now S1 cards vary wild in price
I use these prices as guidelines, but keep in mind, many S1's are sought after, and many are not at all, and this does influence pricing.
  • common: 0.10 bank
  • uncommon: 0.20 bank
  • rare: 0.30 bank
  • ultra-rare: 0.40 bank
  • epic: 0.75 bank
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