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[PASSED] Repeal: "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Morover » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:44 pm

The World Assembly,

Recognizing, at the time that Resolution 68 was drafted and passed, the World Assembly was still in its infancy, and there was a practical interest for it to grant member-states a certain level of autonomy in order to uphold the organization's legitimacy and stability,

Noting, however, that the test of time has not favored Resolution 68, and that the organizations and its delegates thereof have taken issue with several of its provisions, which include:
  1. The World Assembly no longer has practical reason to hinder its ability to legislate, and if its member-states deem it necessary to restrict, outlaw, or other regulate certain forms of commerce on an international scale, they should be able to do so;
  2. The exceptions to the general ban on World Assembly restrictions of commerce are too narrow, and an "enterprise caus[ing] an extreme hazard to national populations" is not the only valid circumstance that an international body should be making laws restricting commerce, and this exception would not allow the regulation of commerce for greater international interests, local interests, or even hazards to a national populace that do not rise to the level of 'extreme';
  3. The Impartial Mediation Foundation's purpose is extraordinarily vague, and without the clarification that it applies solely to issues of commerce, which is presumably its purpose, defining it to "investigate, mediate, and arbitrate" any conflicts that arise may very well make it the most sprawling of all World Assembly committees, given conflicts that arise in the forms of wars, embargos, disagreements on legislative texts, and countless other circumstances;
  4. The substantive requirements of member-states only apply to national governments, which is all but useless for many member states who do not have a strong unitary body, and instead have all of their power designated to regional entities;
  5. Given that the resolution mandates that "national governments compensate any... national governments for any physical property... seized", there is the potential for complications to occur during wartime between two nations, where spoils of war are taken and never formally agreed upon in any treaty;

Hoping that, through the elimination of this Resolution, future international legislation that effectively regulates commerce may be implemented, to the benefit of local, national, and international entities and populaces alike, and that moving forward this body can more effectively ensure the livelihoods of all and uphold its goal of being equitable to all peoples and all nations,

Hereby repeal Resolution 68, "National Economic Freedoms".


A man with a handlebar mustache so fine that it is difficult to look at anything but the delicate strands of hair moving as he talks steps up to the podium, and places this document under the classroom projector available in the room, and grunts as he tries to turn the machine on. "Ah, those fuckin' gnomes gave me the bad room again. Whatta they have against me?"

He kicks the projector in mild anger, and released a slight yelp, as the projector turns on and can be seen by the rest of the room. "Aha, well thank you all for joining me. This is my repeal of the 'National Economic Freedoms' act. I intend to keep this in drafting for about two weeks and then submit, if that's not objectionable."

He looks around, and realizes nobody has entered the room yet. "Oh. Maybe later."

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Postby Heavens Reach » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:32 pm

We're interested to hear what other ambassadors have to say about this. We see some merit in this repeal, but reserve our disposition on it.
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Postby North Bulgaristan » Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:36 pm

We could, I guess, sure

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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:03 am

Is this supposed to be a reverse ferret of Sep's GA#286 repeal?

Many people are wont to argue that - if you phrase your prefatory clauses right - you can get just about anything past NEF. A repeal is not necessary for "future international legislation that effectively regulates commerce," and I am struggling to see what specific regulations Morover believes are being blocked by it.

If NEF is repealed, I would at least like to see (a better-crafted?) resolution on eminent domain and compensation for property seizures. It would be a shame to see such regulation - however scant - taken away and never put back in place on even scanter grounds.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:25 am

OOC. Called via Discord. NEF is not a high bar for the blocker. What it does do, however, is limit the extent of eminent domain seizures etc without indemnification. I would want to see a replacement on that matter (I have a draft on the topic which I can send over; if you want to use it as a base add me as coauthor). Otherwise I have no objections in principle to repeal.

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Postby Morover » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:16 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC. Called via Discord. NEF is not a high bar for the blocker. What it does do, however, is limit the extent of eminent domain seizures etc without indemnification. I would want to see a replacement on that matter (I have a draft on the topic which I can send over; if you want to use it as a base add me as coauthor). Otherwise I have no objections in principle to repeal.

You can send that over to me if you'd like. I'll admit, I'm not overly keen on being the primary sponsor on a new piece of legislation for this myself, but I'll try and give it a go; it's definitely not my area of expertise but I've tried more difficult things in my life, certainly.

Tinhampton wrote:Many people are wont to argue that - if you phrase your prefatory clauses right - you can get just about anything past NEF. A repeal is not necessary for "future international legislation that effectively regulates commerce," and I am struggling to see what specific regulations Morover believes are being blocked by it.

I'm aware that the target is all but ignored; if anything, that should add to the reasons for repeal. I'm not prepared to add that to the text of the repeal, though, because it's definitely a lot more debatable than what I currently have down.
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Postby Gruenberg » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:46 am

I don't see the point in repealing this. The best argument for repealing it was that kryozerkia was too stupid to understand plain English, but they're no longer around so it's no longer an issue.
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Postby Roylaii » Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:44 am

Been meaning to get around to posting on this, I strongly support the repeal of older resolutions especially when their purpose is no longer necessary or when their writing is not of the highest quality. This resolution does however have some nice clauses on property seizure that I am hesitant to be deprived of but other than that, You can expect my support on this matter.
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Postby Lozho » Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:45 am

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:53 am

I can support a repeal but not a replacement that increases protections for "rights" to bourgeois property.


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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:55 am

"The People's Republic of Bananaistan is strongly opposed to any repeal of this target. Such a repeal will only open the way for further WA interference and micromanagement of nations' economies which will likely only serve to increase inefficiencies in management of the economy - local officials are best placed to decide what restrictions and incentives are most suited to domestic economies rather than an overarching WA one size fits no one policy.

Attempted Socialism wrote:I can support a repeal but not a replacement that increases protections for "rights" to bourgeois property.


"Due to the preponderance of so-called liberal democracies around here, it is furthermore likely to be replaced with explicit instructions to member states to recognise bourgeois property rights. True democracies will be abolished by WA fiat and forced to enforce and police private property rights and the attendant imperialism, wage slavery and inequality that comes with so-called liberal democratic policies in the sphere of the political economy."
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[Draft] Repeal: "National Economic Freedoms"

Postby Morover » Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:51 am

Bump. I'd like to submit this around next Wednesday-ish

Although there has been some opposition, it's more due to the concept than anything I can fix so I have not changed anything to this draft.


EDIT: Also a draft has been posted to address the eminent domain concerns of this repeal; viewtopic.php?f=9&t=522310
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"We concur with our comrades the Bananamen. There is zero need to repeal this target, and any potential replacements will almost certainly be far more detrimental to member states' inhabitants."
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Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"We concur with our comrades the Bananamen. There is zero need to repeal this target, and any potential replacements will almost certainly be far more detrimental to member states' inhabitants."


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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:15 pm

We oppose any repeal without a replacement that is more protective of economic freedom, property rights, and state sovereignty than the target which is unlikely to materialize given the existence of such dangerous, authoritarian, anti-freedom regimes that cling to the failed Socialist ideologies.
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Postby Morover » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:15 pm

Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:We oppose any repeal without a replacement that is more protective of economic freedom, property rights, and state sovereignty than the target which is unlikely to materialize given the existence of such dangerous, authoritarian, anti-freedom regimes that cling to the failed Socialist ideologies.

"It sounds to me, ambassador, that you should support this measure and introduce or support free trade legislation that this resolution has historically attempted to block."
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:43 pm

Morover wrote:
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:We oppose any repeal without a replacement that is more protective of economic freedom, property rights, and state sovereignty than the target which is unlikely to materialize given the existence of such dangerous, authoritarian, anti-freedom regimes that cling to the failed Socialist ideologies.

"It sounds to me, ambassador, that you should support this measure and introduce or support free trade legislation that this resolution has historically attempted to block."


In light of the "replacement" your delegation has drafted in regards to property seizures, we prefer the status quo. There remains significant space with the resolution in place to undermine and dismantle the insidious reach and spread of Socialism and other left-wing ideologies championed by the likes of the so-called "People's Republics".
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Postby Morover » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:11 pm

Not submitting this now (despite previous claims) for a few reasons, most of which are personal. This should be submitted in the coming days, though - I note the opposition but have not made any changes in light of them being opposed in spirit instead of for any particular policy reason.

I direct issues with the replacement towards that thread.
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Postby Philippine Maharlika » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:14 am

We support the repeal of the National Economic Freedom. However I am expecting new economic proposal that is more inclusive and more responsive to the best insterest of all. Member state

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The Federal Republic of West Remeshile has voted in opposition to the issue before the General Assembly. The government of West Remeshile was not assured of that a adequate replacement might be passed in order to protect the independence of Nation States to make decisions on their own concerning their economies, therefore, the West Remeshile Republic votes in opposition to the repeal of resolution #68. The West Remeshile Republic believes that nations and governments prosper more when the people they govern get to decide how their economies works, with exceptions made to internationally banning slavery or indentured servitude. Furthermore, this government remains starkly opposed to slavery, and support any actions taken by this legislative body to re-enforce, or pass new legislation, to abolishing, or undermining the institution of slavery wherever it arises.

The Federal Republic of West Remeshile was not provided with a replacement resolution, and therefore does not support the repeal of resolution #68.

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Postby Galicia-Podolia » Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:16 am

Gruenberg wrote:I don't see the point in repealing this. The best argument for repealing it was that kryozerkia was too stupid to understand plain English, but they're no longer around so it's no longer an issue.


Yeah, me neither. What caused me to vote against this is that this Resolution practically wants to take away the economic freedoms of all the nations in the World Assembly, and that is quite rude to every Capitalist government ever in NationStates. Something else is that it's trying to regulate the economies of all the nations in the World Assembly, which is something very Communist, and Anti-Capitalist. I don't think that any non-Communist nation in the entirety of NationStates would ever want this; this would be tarnishing the reputation of all the good economies in NationStates!

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Postby Galicia-Podolia » Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:17 am

Galicia-Podolia wrote:
Gruenberg wrote:I don't see the point in repealing this. The best argument for repealing it was that kryozerkia was too stupid to understand plain English, but they're no longer around so it's no longer an issue.


Yeah, me neither. What caused me to vote against this is that this Resolution practically wants to take away the economic freedoms of all the nations in the World Assembly, and that is quite rude to every Capitalist government ever in NationStates. Something else is that it's trying to regulate the economies of all the nations in the World Assembly, which is something very Communist, and Anti-Capitalist. I don't think that any non-Communist nation in the entirety of NationStates would ever want this; this would be tarnishing the reputation of all the good economies in NationStates!


Oh, and I read the original thing, and kryozerkia wasn't even that bad; he did better than the average resolution of that early stage of NationStates.

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