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[PASSED] Repeal: Commend Europeia

Postby Pallaith » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:18 pm

Hello everyone. I am back with another proposed repeal for a resolution that's been on the books awhile, but doesn't sit right with me: the commendation of Europeia. This is one that I absolutely want to see stand the test of time, but I want to make sure that it is the best version of Euro's commendation, and some things have not aged very well, while others aren't quite up to code. As Euro also happens to be good friends with us at The North Pacific, I not only wanted to make sure they were okay with a rewrite of their commendation, but I wanted to make sure we did it right and made it special. To that end, there will be a replacement proposal posted alongside this repeal. I am pleased to note that we have Euro's blessing and absolutely intend for this to be a one-two punch of a repeal and replace. Without further ado, here's the draft. As always, I welcome your thoughts and any assistance you can provide in further polishing and perfecting the draft, and I encourage you to do the same with the proposed replacement.

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Repeal: “Commend Europeia” | Target: SC#234


The Security Council,

Recognizing that the region of Europeia has many commendable qualities such as its contributions to international political thought, the many prized achievements of individuals who have called it home, and its longevity as an influential power player which has continuously had an impact on world events and international relations;

Acknowledging that SCR#234 Commend Europeia is well-intentioned but nevertheless contains several flaws that do not effectively address the many factors that make Europeia a storied region worthy of commendation by this body;

Finds the following:
  1. The “Status of Forces Agreements” agreed upon by Europeia and several other regions failed to produce lasting armies of strength or note in the case of Merridel and even produced armies whose interests have since run counter to the interests of Europeia in the case of the Communist Bloc. Thus, these groundbreaking agreements were not a net positive for Europeia and are not accomplishments worth noting in a commendation.
  2. The “Applauding” clause, which mentions how Europeia invites other national leaders to join their region, fails to mention exactly what other places benefitted from the technologies and techniques that Europeia allegedly shared with other regions.
  3. The resolution fails to convey the importance of the Europeian political system as one characterized by the depth, rather than the breadth, of its contributions. The resolution recognizes the number of national leaders who participate in the Europeian political system as the most admirable metric, thereby failing to appreciate the fullness of Europeian democracy.
  4. Europeia’s contributions to interregional media are in some sense overstated. The “Media Development and Distribution Accord” with the Britannian Kingdom was on its face revolutionary, but failed to result in a lasting imprint on interregional communications and media as no such further accords were ever agreed by Europeia and other regions. The area of communications and media are worthy of recognition, but deserve a more appropriate frame.
  5. Similarly, Europeia’s contributions to the World Assembly require a better, more comprehensive approach to properly address their scope and significance. They are mentioned in only the broadest of terms, leaving out the many national delegations from Europeia that have contributed to the formation of international law.
  6. Europeian archives, while certainly extensive and digestible to the average national leader, are largely inaccessible to anyone who is not a citizen of Europeia, thus denying the international community as a whole any insight into the “often irreplaceable regional and world history” that the resolution celebrates.

Believing the foregoing flaws demand a more robust and comprehensive replacement;

Hereby Repeals SCR#234 Commend Europeia.


Co-authored by: Hulldom

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Repeal: “Commend Europeia” | Target: SC#234


The Security Council,

Recognizing that the region of Europeia has many commendable qualities such as its longevity, contributions to international political thought, and the many prized achievements of individuals who have called it home;

Acknowledging that SCR#234 Commend Europeia is well-intentioned but nevertheless contains several flaws that demand repeal and a replacement that effectively addresses the many factors that make Europeia a storied region worthy of commendation by this body;

Finds the following:
  1. The “Status of Forces Agreements” agreed upon by Europeia and several other regions failed to produce lasting armies of strength or note in the case of Merridel and even produced armies whose interests have since run counter to the interests of Europeia in the case of the Communist Bloc. Thus, these groundbreaking agreements were not a net positive for Europeia and are not accomplishments worth noting in a commendation.
  2. The “Applauding” clause, which mentions how Europeia invites other national leaders to join their region, fails to mention exactly what other places benefitted from the technologies and techniques that Europeia allegedly shared with other regions.
  3. The author fails to grasp the importance of the Europeian political system as one characterized by the depth, rather than the breadth, of its contributions. The resolution recognizes the number of national leaders who participate in the Europeian political system as the most admirable metric, thereby failing to appreciate the fullness of Europeian democracy.
  4. Europeia’s contributions to interregional media are in some sense overstated. The “Media Development and Distribution Accord” with the Britannian Kingdom was on its face revolutionary, but failed to result in a lasting imprint on interregional communications and media as no such further accords were ever agreed by Europeia and other regions. The area of communications and media are worthy of recognition, but deserve a more appropriate frame.
  5. Similarly, Europeia’s contributions to the World Assembly require a better, more comprehensive approach to properly address their scope and significance. They are mentioned in only the broadest of terms, leaving out the many national delegations from Europeia that have contributed to the formation of international law.
  6. Europeian archives, while certainly extensive and digestible to the average national leader, are largely inaccessible to anyone who is not a citizen of Europeia, thus denying the international community as a whole any insight into the “often irreplaceable regional and world history” that the resolution celebrates.

Believing the foregoing flaws demand a more robust and comprehensive replacement;

Hereby Repeals SCR#234 Commend Europeia.
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Postby Writinglegend » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:27 pm

Just want to confirm that Europeia is in full support of a repeal and replacement of our commendation. I want to thank our friends for taking the time to draft a stellar replacement that captures what makes our community special, and I think this repeal proposal aptly highlights the flaws in the commendation currently on the books.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:27 pm

Full support, especially if this means Repeal Condemn Souls is also down the line 8)


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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:29 pm

The League and I will be happy to support a repeal and replacement for our allies. We look forward to Europeia having a more appropriate commend by more suitable nations.
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Postby Morover » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:34 pm

I'm in support of replacing poorly-written C/Cs in favor of more well-written ones, so I am in support of this. Repeal looks good to me, I'll hopefully give some feedback on the replacement when I get around to it. Do you have any idea on what y'all's timeline will be like here?
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Postby Hulldom » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:36 pm

Morover wrote:I'm in support of replacing poorly-written C/Cs in favor of more well-written ones, so I am in support of this. Repeal looks good to me, I'll hopefully give some feedback on the replacement when I get around to it. Do you have any idea on what y'all's timeline will be like here?

Not entirely sure. This is definitely coming before the replacement does, but hopefully pretty close together.
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Postby Pallaith » Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:51 pm

Morover wrote:I'm in support of replacing poorly-written C/Cs in favor of more well-written ones, so I am in support of this. Repeal looks good to me, I'll hopefully give some feedback on the replacement when I get around to it. Do you have any idea on what y'all's timeline will be like here?


I see no reason to rush it, but I also think there's only so much polishing a repeal can get. I will play it by ear and move it forward when the time seems right, and we've gotten some decent feedback. I'm sure the replacement will need more time in the oven, but we wouldn't have it any other way.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:01 pm

Support, for much the same reasons as Morover.
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Postby Fhaengshia » Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:43 pm

Couple things I noticed:

The Recognising clause mentions "longevity" as a commendable quality, which really is missing something. Who cares if a region has been around for a decade or two? The longevity of Europeia's influence and status and so on are more likely commendable qualities, but longevity? I wouldn't be surprised if there were hundreds of near-empty regions older than Europeia.

The beginning of clause three is written like a debate rather than legislation, whether or not an author "grasps" something is far less relevant than the content of the resolution itself. I understand the motivations but believe this should be rephrased to focus on SC234 rather than its author.

Also I feel the Believing clause at the end could do with a reaffirmation on the commend-ability of Europeia. I see the Acknowledging clause also uses "demand", probably just me but it feels a bit funny, previous repeals for replacements (OSI and Kuriko come to mind) seemed less, uh, demanding.

Other than that seems pretty solid.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:47 am

While the existing resolution is not bad, this draft does point out the flaws in it. There’s logic to this repeal, it has the support of the Commended region and, most importantly, there’s a replacement in the works.

Full support.
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Postby Pallaith » Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:05 pm

Fhaengshia wrote:Couple things I noticed:

The Recognising clause mentions "longevity" as a commendable quality, which really is missing something. Who cares if a region has been around for a decade or two? The longevity of Europeia's influence and status and so on are more likely commendable qualities, but longevity? I wouldn't be surprised if there were hundreds of near-empty regions older than Europeia.

The beginning of clause three is written like a debate rather than legislation, whether or not an author "grasps" something is far less relevant than the content of the resolution itself. I understand the motivations but believe this should be rephrased to focus on SC234 rather than its author.

Also I feel the Believing clause at the end could do with a reaffirmation on the commend-ability of Europeia. I see the Acknowledging clause also uses "demand", probably just me but it feels a bit funny, previous repeals for replacements (OSI and Kuriko come to mind) seemed less, uh, demanding.

Other than that seems pretty solid.


I appreciate the feedback and agree, with the caveat that I see nothing wrong with the use of the word "demand" in the final clause. We are adamant that the flaws we highlighted need to be addressed. I suppose I could say that instead, but demand gets the message across as far as how adamant we are about it. It did make me realize that the first and last clauses cover much the same ground, so I rewrote the first clause a bit o cut down on repetition.

Longevity being commendable is precisely for the reasons you stated. I also do not believe simply existing for a long time should be hit on alone, that time should have been spent doing things that are themselves commendable, or that time should have had ripple effects in other areas even if it was just indirectly a result of the nation or region having been around a long time. I hope the new wording in this clause addresses the critique, though I suppose it is now also ripe for subsequent re-writes depending on how people respond to it.

The draft can easily strictly refer to the resolution without referencing the author. Our goal was to vary the clauses a bit and I don't think it's off-limits to point out where an author went wrong or missed something when repealing their work, but it's also not essential that wording be here so I have no issue changing it.

Thank you for the suggestions.
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Postby Chipoli » Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:44 pm

Support per Bhang Bhang Duc.
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Postby Toonela » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:12 pm

Arishat, the bald, kind-faced, and reluctant representative of Toonela in the Security Council dispatches written commentary to the delegation from Pallaith.

Pallaith wrote:
  1. The “Status of Forces Agreements” agreed upon by Europeia and several other regions failed to produce lasting armies of strength or note in the case of Merridel and even produced armies whose interests have since run counter to the interests of Europeia in the case of the Communist Bloc. Thus, these groundbreaking agreements were not a net positive for Europeia and are not accomplishments worth noting in a commendation.


"I do believe it's The Communist Bloc. Additionally, I'm unsure how well this makes the case for this portion of the repeal. Agreements that are groundbreaking, even if not considered a net positive for Europeia in particular at this juncture in the region's historical trajectory, can still be commendable if they ultimately align with the interregional interests of the Security Council. I would suggest a rewrite that focuses less on Europeia's specific interests and more upon how the results of those agreements negatively impact the Security Council's international mission, as it would have a broader rhetorical appeal less reliant on appearing to equate Europeia's interests with those of this body. Barring that, I think even just dropping the adjective 'groundbreaking' in the final sentence would be an improvement, as its presence currently serves to emphasize their importance, when such importance should be downplayed."
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Postby Hulldom » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:37 pm

Toonela wrote:Arishat, the bald, kind-faced, and reluctant representative of Toonela in the Security Council dispatches written commentary to the delegation from Pallaith.

Pallaith wrote:
  1. The “Status of Forces Agreements” agreed upon by Europeia and several other regions failed to produce lasting armies of strength or note in the case of Merridel and even produced armies whose interests have since run counter to the interests of Europeia in the case of the Communist Bloc. Thus, these groundbreaking agreements were not a net positive for Europeia and are not accomplishments worth noting in a commendation.


"I do believe it's The Communist Bloc. Additionally, I'm unsure how well this makes the case for this portion of the repeal. Agreements that are groundbreaking, even if not considered a net positive for Europeia in particular at this juncture in the region's historical trajectory, can still be commendable if they ultimately align with the interregional interests of the Security Council. I would suggest a rewrite that focuses less on Europeia's specific interests and more upon how the results of those agreements negatively impact the Security Council's international mission, as it would have a broader rhetorical appeal less reliant on appearing to equate Europeia's interests with those of this body. Barring that, I think even just dropping the adjective 'groundbreaking' in the final sentence would be an improvement, as its presence currently serves to emphasize their importance, when such importance should be downplayed."

Since IC is a bit different in the Security Council, I’m not going to respond with, well, not Le Maldo that’s for sure.

The Status of Forces Agreements, to my understanding, did nothing. It’s not that they even impacted Europeia negatively, they did nothing to advance the Security Council’s goals because they produced nothing of note. Perhaps I didn’t pay much attention, but I don’t recall TCBAF being any sort of presence on the world stage in R/D (except for maybe fash-bashes and that might be a stretch, but I can’t say for sure) until they got more involved with TWP and then eventually the raider sphere near the end of last year.

And I will say, because I did advise Ghost on how to write this, the specific style we prefer will attack the target resolution without advancing into the territory of determining thing solely on the basis of “the Security Council’s International mission”.
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Postby Uncilttakia » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:40 pm

Pallaith wrote:Hello everyone. I am back with another proposed repeal for a resolution that's been on the books awhile, but doesn't sit right with me: the commendation of Europeia. This is one that I absolutely want to see stand the test of time, but I want to make sure that it is the best version of Euro's commendation, and some things have not aged very well, while others aren't quite up to code. As Euro also happens to be good friends with us at The North Pacific, I not only wanted to make sure they were okay with a rewrite of their commendation, but I wanted to make sure we did it right and made it special. To that end, there will be a replacement proposal posted alongside this repeal. I am pleased to note that we have Euro's blessing and absolutely intend for this to be a one-two punch of a repeal and replace. Without further ado, here's the draft. As always, I welcome your thoughts and any assistance you can provide in further polishing and perfecting the draft, and I encourage you to do the same with the proposed replacement.


Repeal: “Commend Europeia” | Target: SC#234


The Security Council,

Recognizing that the region of Europeia has many commendable qualities such as its contributions to international political thought, the many prized achievements of individuals who have called it home, and its longevity as an influential power player which has continuously had an impact on world events and international relations;

Acknowledging that SCR#234 Commend Europeia is well-intentioned but nevertheless contains several flaws that do not effectively address the many factors that make Europeia a storied region worthy of commendation by this body;

Finds the following:
  1. The “Status of Forces Agreements” agreed upon by Europeia and several other regions failed to produce lasting armies of strength or note in the case of Merridel and even produced armies whose interests have since run counter to the interests of Europeia in the case of the Communist Bloc. Thus, these groundbreaking agreements were not a net positive for Europeia and are not accomplishments worth noting in a commendation.
  2. The “Applauding” clause, which mentions how Europeia invites other national leaders to join their region, fails to mention exactly what other places benefitted from the technologies and techniques that Europeia allegedly shared with other regions.
  3. The resolution fails to convey the importance of the Europeian political system as one characterized by the depth, rather than the breadth, of its contributions. The resolution recognizes the number of national leaders who participate in the Europeian political system as the most admirable metric, thereby failing to appreciate the fullness of Europeian democracy.
  4. Europeia’s contributions to interregional media are in some sense overstated. The “Media Development and Distribution Accord” with the Britannian Kingdom was on its face revolutionary, but failed to result in a lasting imprint on interregional communications and media as no such further accords were ever agreed by Europeia and other regions. The area of communications and media are worthy of recognition, but deserve a more appropriate frame.
  5. Similarly, Europeia’s contributions to the World Assembly require a better, more comprehensive approach to properly address their scope and significance. They are mentioned in only the broadest of terms, leaving out the many national delegations from Europeia that have contributed to the formation of international law.
  6. Europeian archives, while certainly extensive and digestible to the average national leader, are largely inaccessible to anyone who is not a citizen of Europeia, thus denying the international community as a whole any insight into the “often irreplaceable regional and world history” that the resolution celebrates.

Believing the foregoing flaws demand a more robust and comprehensive replacement;

Hereby Repeals SCR#234 Commend Europeia.


Co-authored by: Hulldom


Repeal: “Commend Europeia” | Target: SC#234


The Security Council,

Recognizing that the region of Europeia has many commendable qualities such as its longevity, contributions to international political thought, and the many prized achievements of individuals who have called it home;

Acknowledging that SCR#234 Commend Europeia is well-intentioned but nevertheless contains several flaws that demand repeal and a replacement that effectively addresses the many factors that make Europeia a storied region worthy of commendation by this body;

Finds the following:
  1. The “Status of Forces Agreements” agreed upon by Europeia and several other regions failed to produce lasting armies of strength or note in the case of Merridel and even produced armies whose interests have since run counter to the interests of Europeia in the case of the Communist Bloc. Thus, these groundbreaking agreements were not a net positive for Europeia and are not accomplishments worth noting in a commendation.
  2. The “Applauding” clause, which mentions how Europeia invites other national leaders to join their region, fails to mention exactly what other places benefitted from the technologies and techniques that Europeia allegedly shared with other regions.
  3. The author fails to grasp the importance of the Europeian political system as one characterized by the depth, rather than the breadth, of its contributions. The resolution recognizes the number of national leaders who participate in the Europeian political system as the most admirable metric, thereby failing to appreciate the fullness of Europeian democracy.
  4. Europeia’s contributions to interregional media are in some sense overstated. The “Media Development and Distribution Accord” with the Britannian Kingdom was on its face revolutionary, but failed to result in a lasting imprint on interregional communications and media as no such further accords were ever agreed by Europeia and other regions. The area of communications and media are worthy of recognition, but deserve a more appropriate frame.
  5. Similarly, Europeia’s contributions to the World Assembly require a better, more comprehensive approach to properly address their scope and significance. They are mentioned in only the broadest of terms, leaving out the many national delegations from Europeia that have contributed to the formation of international law.
  6. Europeian archives, while certainly extensive and digestible to the average national leader, are largely inaccessible to anyone who is not a citizen of Europeia, thus denying the international community as a whole any insight into the “often irreplaceable regional and world history” that the resolution celebrates.

Believing the foregoing flaws demand a more robust and comprehensive replacement;

Hereby Repeals SCR#234 Commend Europeia.


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Postby Hulldom » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:50 pm

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Writinglegend wrote:Just want to confirm that Europeia is in full support of a repeal and replacement of our commendation. I want to thank our friends for taking the time to draft a stellar replacement that captures what makes our community special, and I think this repeal proposal aptly highlights the flaws in the commendation currently on the books.
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Hulldom wrote:Since IC is a bit different in the Security Council, I’m not going to respond with, well, not Le Maldo that’s for sure.

The Status of Forces Agreements, to my understanding, did nothing. It’s not that they even impacted Europeia negatively, they did nothing to advance the Security Council’s goals because they produced nothing of note. Perhaps I didn’t pay much attention, but I don’t recall TCBAF being any sort of presence on the world stage in R/D (except for maybe fash-bashes and that might be a stretch, but I can’t say for sure) until they got more involved with TWP and then eventually the raider sphere near the end of last year.

And I will say, because I did advise Ghost on how to write this, the specific style we prefer will attack the target resolution without advancing into the territory of determining thing solely on the basis of “the Security Council’s International mission”.


I wasn't aware IC was done differently here. I'll go looking into it later.

If I understand the timeline correctly (I may not), then yes, TCB's PRAF did not come online due to the Status of Forces Agreements. If that's the case, there's not much of a purpose to bringing them up as being in recent opposition to Europeia in this clause's context.

Personally, I think the repeal's clause here should reflect what you've stated in your response to me: that the Agreements were simply utterly ineffectual, doing nothing for the international community, and therefore not worthy of commendation. That's a solid enough case all on its own. I can't say I see much value to invoking Europeia's regional self-interest here when the argument being made doesn't actively benefit from it.
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Postby Uncilttakia » Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:18 pm

Writinglegend wrote:Just want to confirm that Europeia is in full support of a repeal and replacement of our commendation. I want to thank our friends for taking the time to draft a stellar replacement that captures what makes our community special, and I think this repeal proposal aptly highlights the flaws in the commendation currently on the books.


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Bumping this as co-author.
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Just want to bump this and say it's been submitted by the author, looks like it'll go to vote in 2 1/2 hours.
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:27 pm

Seeing as Europeia wishes that their commendation be replaced, support for this and the replacement draft.
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Postby Quebecshire » Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:31 am

Love to see it, looking forward to the replacement.
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Postby Galicia-Podolia » Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:00 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Full support, especially if this means Repeal Condemn Souls is also down the line 8)


first read the passed mandate it is repealing, and then you'll be voting against.

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Postby Frenchy » Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:39 am

Recommendation:

The proposed resolution, "Repeal: Commend Europeia" seeks to repeal the commendation of Europeia to make way for a follow-up replace Commendation.

The resolution is well intentioned and written well. The TRR WA Office has found that this combined with the support of the government of Europeia is grounds for voting for.

"FOR - replacement lined up; Europeian support; why not?" -Tinhampton

Taking into account internal discourse and a vote on the regional position towards the relevant resolution,

The Rejected Realms WA Office recommends a vote FOR “Repeal: Commend Europeia."
The Rejected Realms WA Officer
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Postby Konyanin » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:14 am

Don't you think that the decree "praise to Europe" gives the states in Europe privilege and exclusivity in terms of the status of the regions?

I have 2 suggestions on this subject:

1) Keep the interregional status as before
2) All regions benefit from these privileges

--- President of the State of


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