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Banner over-generously granted?

Postby Bears Armed » Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:41 pm

The text for the new banner Fall From Power says "Pass a World Assembly resolution and then lose all of your endorsements".
I can see why it's granted to Co-Authors as well as main authors, presumably by keying it into possession of either or both of the WA authorship badges, but Bears Armed has just received it even though our 'GA Author (x2)' badge was earned years after this nation ended its brief membership of the WA & so lost all of its endorsements...
If the intention actually was to give this banner to all nations that have any WA authorship badges but are currently not in the WA, then the accompanying text would seem inaccurate, and needs re-writing.
If that was not the intention, and so Bears Armed [for example] should not have received this banner, then is some sort of re-coding of the eligibility conditions in order to fix this glitch possible, or are we left with (1+ WA authorship badge, & not now in the WA) as the only way of handling it?
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The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:18 am

The banner is being awarded correctly, and the text doesn't seem misleading to me. Your nation has both passed a WA resolution and subsequently lost all of its endorsements.

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Postby Pogaria » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:14 am

I never intended this banner to be overly restrictive - getting a WA resolution passed is difficult enough - but I can see how this particular scenario wouldn't fit the text.

Can you confirm that both of your badges were awarded for being a co-author after resigning from the WA?
FYI: Pogaria is pronounced like puh-GAIR-ee-uh

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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:34 am

Pogaria wrote:I never intended this banner to be overly restrictive - getting a WA resolution passed is difficult enough - but I can see how this particular scenario wouldn't fit the text.

Can you confirm that both of your badges were awarded for being a co-author after resigning from the WA?

I'm certain of that.
Bears Armed joined the W.A very briefly before handing the job over to Bears Armed Mission, and never resumed membership after that.
The earlier of Bears Armed's co-authorship credits was for G.A. Resolution #199 'Sustainable Fishing Act', but by that time Bears Armed Mission had already been the [main] author of both G.A. Resolution #87 'Meteorological Cooperation' and G.A. Resolution #168 'Law of the Seas'.
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.


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Postby Courelli » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:52 am

Hi, I have a somewhat-related question. For the "Fall From Power" banner, does this extend to endorsements lost before the banner existed? For example, I coauthored GA Resolution #459, and in the years since have resigned from the WA several times for R/D business. However, I have been in the WA for the entirety of the badge's existence, and don't intend on leaving soon. Am I eligible for the banner, or would I have to leave the WA again?
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:16 am

Courelli wrote:Hi, I have a somewhat-related question. For the "Fall From Power" banner, does this extend to endorsements lost before the banner existed? For example, I coauthored GA Resolution #459, and in the years since have resigned from the WA several times for R/D business. However, I have been in the WA for the entirety of the badge's existence, and don't intend on leaving soon. Am I eligible for the badge, or would I have to leave the WA again?

There’s no historical stat for WA endorsements, so no. If you currently have endorsements, it won’t trigger till you lose them.

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Postby Pogaria » Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:50 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Pogaria wrote:I never intended this banner to be overly restrictive - getting a WA resolution passed is difficult enough - but I can see how this particular scenario wouldn't fit the text.

Can you confirm that both of your badges were awarded for being a co-author after resigning from the WA?

I'm certain of that.
Bears Armed joined the W.A very briefly before handing the job over to Bears Armed Mission, and never resumed membership after that.
The earlier of Bears Armed's co-authorship credits was for G.A. Resolution #199 'Sustainable Fishing Act', but by that time Bears Armed Mission had already been the [main] author of both G.A. Resolution #87 'Meteorological Cooperation' and G.A. Resolution #168 'Law of the Seas'.

For now, I think we'll have to consider co-authorship by non-WA nations to be a known exception to the actual text of the description (which I'd rather not change, since it's still accurate for the majority of nations that would receive this banner).
FYI: Pogaria is pronounced like puh-GAIR-ee-uh

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:46 pm

Pogaria wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:I'm certain of that.
Bears Armed joined the W.A very briefly before handing the job over to Bears Armed Mission, and never resumed membership after that.
The earlier of Bears Armed's co-authorship credits was for G.A. Resolution #199 'Sustainable Fishing Act', but by that time Bears Armed Mission had already been the [main] author of both G.A. Resolution #87 'Meteorological Cooperation' and G.A. Resolution #168 'Law of the Seas'.

For now, I think we'll have to consider co-authorship by non-WA nations to be a known exception to the actual text of the description (which I'd rather not change, since it's still accurate for the majority of nations that would receive this banner).

Okay. Well, at least you're aware that the situation exists...
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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Postby Pogaria » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:33 pm

For your reference, the description and title of this banner have now been changed to account for co-authors who may not have ever had any endorsements. The banner is now called "International Outsider".
FYI: Pogaria is pronounced like puh-GAIR-ee-uh

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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:43 pm

Pogaria wrote:For your reference, the description and title of this banner have now been changed to account for co-authors who may not have ever had any endorsements. The banner is now called "International Outsider".

Thank you for the information.
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.


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