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Ideas about a Minimum Wage resolution

Postby South-Slavia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:36 am

Guys, I am new in WA and in NationStates as a whole, so I would like to ask you a e question:
Firstly, I would like to draft a WA Resolution regarding some kind of minimum wage. Can you give me any tips on crafting a WA Resolution? Is there such a Resolution already?
I would like your advice, thank you

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:18 am

There is no minimum wage resolution per se as of yet. There is a minimum standard of living resolution, however. As to the topic of the minimum wage more generally, you should familiarise yourself with the empirical economic research on the topic that has emerged over the last few decades. Manning, "The Elusive Employment Effect of the Minimum Wage" (2021) 35 J Econ Persp 3 is a good and layman-readable review of where the consensus has gone.

As to advice on writing a proposal, this might be helpful: https://imperiumanglorum.wordpress.com/ ... -assembly/. See also https://imperiumanglorum.wordpress.com/ ... s-stories/ and https://imperiumanglorum.wordpress.com/ ... -argument/. I would also recommend reading through some of the recent resolutions in the Passed Resolutions Thread and cargo-culting.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:42 am

Before you set out to write a resolution on minimum wage, you may also want to look into RL countries where the discourse on minimum wage is decidedly against. In Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, for instance, there is no minimum wage, and we are better off for it. Instead we have collective bargaining. Both Denmark and Sweden have fought the EU minimum wage directive for the reason that it will be a threat to our functioning system. If you write a resolution, think about how you would get around cases like the Danish or Swedish.
Furthermore, some IC countries are syndicalists, practise planned economies, or have some UBI scheme. For a country where a worker is paid a share of the value of the workplace, given everything they need, or have lenient universal basic incomes and work without wage, you'll meet resistance if you mandate something that cannot take them into account. On the other hand you'll have to think about what you want to do for the neo-feudal employers like Uber and others with the same "independent contractor"/"marketplace"-shtick. And what about tipped workers? Will you leave a carve-out for another resolution (see, for instance, this draft), will you require the same minimum wage for everyone, or what?
Last, minimum wage drafts come every so often. You could search the GA forum for prior drafts to get a feel of the kind of issues sank the other drafts, and try to avoid those.


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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:30 am

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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:35 am

The Orwell Society wrote:Just figuring out how to sort out currency units will be hell.

There would be no need to sort out currency units.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:20 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:Just figuring out how to sort out currency units will be hell.

There would be no need to sort out currency units.

How so?
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:09 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:There would be no need to sort out currency units.

How so?

Why would currency units need to be invloved?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:53 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:How so?

Why would currency units need to be invloved?

Establishing a universal minimum wage would require some sort if unit to define said wage. That would lead you down a rabbit hole infested with illegalities.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Why would currency units need to be invloved?

Establishing a universal minimum wage would require some sort if unit to define said wage. That would lead you down a rabbit hole infested with illegalities.

No it wouldn't.
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Postby Makko Oko » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:01 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Why would currency units need to be invloved?

Establishing a universal minimum wage would require some sort if unit to define said wage. That would lead you down a rabbit hole infested with illegalities.


I 100% agree with Wayneactia here, there's a way to write a minimum wage resolution without the need to address currency units, hell, the moment I saw your comment on currency units, I thought up a proposal in my head, not that I'd ever write it anyhow, it'd still be scrutinized to hell and back.

What you simply do is write something where the GOVERNMENT sets the wage using their currency, like this:

This resolution mandates governments establish a minimum wage at least 10% above the cost of a house within the nation, to adjust for inflation


This is NOT a proposal mind you, and that example is a very poor one at best, I just thought it up as I was writing this, if I thought over it longer, it'd be better most likely, but even then, I still sense issues would arise

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:03 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Why would currency units need to be invloved?

Establishing a universal minimum wage would require some sort if unit to define said wage. That would lead you down a rabbit hole infested with illegalities.

OOC. Do you not see how the underlined portion is just circular reasoning? Wayne is correct in that a specific number for a minimum wage established in terms of some "bancor" or "special drawing rights" would be unnecessary. Doing that would just be doing it the dumb way™.

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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:07 pm

Makko Oko wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:Establishing a universal minimum wage would require some sort if unit to define said wage. That would lead you down a rabbit hole infested with illegalities.


I 100% agree with Wayneactia here, there's a way to write a minimum wage resolution without the need to address currency units, hell, the moment I saw your comment on currency units, I thought up a proposal in my head, not that I'd ever write it anyhow, it'd still be scrutinized to hell and back.

What you simply do is write something where the GOVERNMENT sets the wage using their currency, like this:

This resolution mandates governments establish a minimum wage at least 10% above the cost of a house within the nation, to adjust for inflation


This is NOT a proposal mind you, and that example is a very poor one at best, I just thought it up as I was writing this, if I thought over it longer, it'd be better most likely, but even then, I still sense issues would arise

Yet as peoples wages increase the price of a house will increase, thus causing minimum wage to increase more and so on and so forth....
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:10 pm

Interesting points have been raised. I see it now.
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:14 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:Interesting points have been raised. I see it now.

Please try to use it as a learning experience....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:19 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:Interesting points have been raised. I see it now.

One could simply mandate the minimum wage to be adjusted in conjunction with a country's inflation and cost of living. You don't have to mention units of currency at all since it's tailored to each individual member state's living standards.
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Postby South-Slavia » Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:27 am

Thank you for everything!


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