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[INSTA-ABANDONED, AS PROMISED] Ban on Oil and Gas Extraction

Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:08 pm

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Ban on Oil and Gas Extraction
A resolution to enact uniform standards that protect workers, consumers, and the general public.
Category: Regulation
Area of Effect: Energy
Proposed by: Tinhampton

No member state shall permit any extraction of oil or gas within their territory or jurisdiction.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pm

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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:24 pm

Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: If there is a provision to prohibit the import of oil and gas, as well as a time period for member nations to become fully compliant with this, we will support.
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Postby Spiderman » Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:42 pm

A cordial local silkstringer and Ambassaspider swings by. "I support the draft's, uh... artsy and humanitarian spirit," says Spiderman, "but... I'd just be interested to see how banning oil and gas extraction will specifically help our fellow, er, 'neighbors'. Much appreciated."

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Postby Daarwyrth » Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:16 am

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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:10 am

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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:12 am

I guessing you put more time and effort into the garish formatting of the header, that you did in to the actually thinking this through?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:50 am

Is this a joke? There's only one clause, and that clause is ridiculous in itself. Sixteen words? :rofl:
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:33 am

"Full support. We suggest the addition of 'carbon-based' somewhere herein to remove the obvious repeal hook that, read by nitpickers, the resolution might require nations to refrain from 'extracting' oxygen, hydrogen, and nitrogen from the water and air within their territories or even scrubbing CO2. Other than that, the proposal is short and to the point. Good hunting!"
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:30 am

OOC. You first need to justify the category.



C Marcius Blythe sighs. "I hope ambassadors will remember that oil and gas extraction are also the source of raw plastics stocks, which notably cannot be re-refined from recycled plastics (the problem largely relates to admixture and wear). The extent to which plastics are used in modern industry and consumer goods, I hope, will also not be brushed under the asphalt road ... also made from petroleum products".

"The likely impacts of this resolution are to displace existing member state extraction for imported products from non-member nations which would be made under less environmental scrutiny and with greater harms to workers, more pollution, and greater global environmental impacts. This proposal's provisions are, on face, performative greenwashing that does little for the global environment. This is made worse by the need to move non-substitutable products into member nations which would require shipping, air freight, rail, or other forms of haulage. The proper and effective way to resolve the global warming impacts has already been achieved in Greenhouse Gas Cap and Trade. A further justification will be needed, textually or otherwise: the justification here is non-obvious".
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:39 am

"We would be very supportive of a proposal to reduce oil and gas extraction and replace it with other energy sources - perhaps you could draft a proposal combining oil and gas drawdown with provisions to promote wind, solar, wave energy capture, and other modern renewable technologies?

"But a hard stop to oil and gas extraction like what you propose here is not a feasible strategy. Even putting aside widget manufacturing, doodad construction, and other industrial innovations that would suddenly suffer tremendous setbacks, at this moment in history there are simply far too many people who rely on those energy sources to temperature-control their homes and cook their food. It would be simply impossible to meet world energy demands if we summarily cut them out.

"Put differently, we'd be sentencing a lot of vulnerable people to die from lack of heating, cooling, and proper nutrition if we did something this extreme. While such a fate would not affect the Princess's subjects at all - because all of our energy needs are met by harnessing the warm and fuzzy feelings you get when you hug your friends and loved ones - we could not vote to put that fate on others."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:26 am

C Marcius Blythe. "It would be inefficient and overly costly to mitigate pollution levels beyond that which is necessary to achieve our environmental and ecological objectives. The optimal level of pollution is greater than zero due to the rapidly increasing marginal costs of reducing pollution levels of further abatement. The level of pollution abatement set by GA 445 'Greenhouse Gas Cap and Trade Program' is already beyond the optimal point, because it does not adequately account for overabatement costs. My predecessors accepted the bias for overabatement from a risk balancing standpoint; ambassadors should be wary in general of further and unnecessary abatement programmes".

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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:37 am

Princess Rainbow Sparkles wrote:"We would be very supportive of a proposal to reduce oil and gas extraction and replace it with other energy sources - perhaps you could draft a proposal combining oil and gas drawdown with provisions to promote wind, solar, wave energy capture, and other modern renewable technologies?

"But a hard stop to oil and gas extraction like what you propose here is not a feasible strategy. Even putting aside widget manufacturing, doodad construction, and other industrial innovations that would suddenly suffer tremendous setbacks, at this moment in history there are simply far too many people who rely on those energy sources to temperature-control their homes and cook their food. It would be simply impossible to meet world energy demands if we summarily cut them out.

"Put differently, we'd be sentencing a lot of vulnerable people to die from lack of heating, cooling, and proper nutrition if we did something this extreme. While such a fate would not affect the Princess's subjects at all - because all of our energy needs are met by harnessing the warm and fuzzy feelings you get when you hug your friends and loved ones - we could not vote to put that fate on others."

- Deputy Ambassador Roweina of Prancerville

"Oil and gas isn't just used for energy. If you are fully willing to abandon the use of all plastic and thus eradicate the modern world as we know it, then by all means, lets push this agenda through....."

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Postby Chipoli » Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:08 pm

Chipoli's WA ambassador says, "While this isn't too bad in principle, we would like what will be done to enforce a proposal on this topic."

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:11 pm

"While coal is the primary source of energy for Wallenburg, oil is an essential commodity as well. This is not feasible for my office, and I reckon it isn't feasible for most member states, neither."
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Postby Bananaistan » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:11 pm

“We are appalled that anyone would want to ban various vegetable oils being extracted from plants. Vegans and vegetarians have as much right as anyone to enjoy cake.”
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Postby Wayneactia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:13 pm

Bananaistan wrote:“We are appalled that anyone would want to ban various vegetable oils being extracted from plants. Vegans and vegetarians have as much right as anyone to enjoy cake.”

"Just noticed this would also ban farts and belches as well...."

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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:22 pm

OOC: I suppose I'll make an IC response to this as well...

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No.... just, no.

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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm

“Mr. Lazarus, I believe that I have fixed your short proposal:

The World Assembly,

Noting the common usage of carbon-based oils and natural gas as fuel to allow homes, businesses, and etc. to keep operating,

Deeply concerned that this usage of such carbon fuels releases carbon dioxide,

Deeply disturbed that this carbon dioxide can impact the international environment negatively,

Seeking to ban carbon fuels to prevent environmental chaos, the World Assembly hereby:
1. Calls for each member state to outlaw any extraction of carbon-based oil or natural gas—for the sake of stopping their common usage as fuel—within their territory or jurisdiction;
2. Accepts the usage of any non-carbon based gases, household cooking oils and/or essential oils.
3. Mandates that each member state distributes at least one, if not all, of the following as better alternatives for transportation:

a. Guideway-independent vehicles propelled primarily by electric power stored within said vehicles
i. If a member nation cannot afford to distribute electric cars, then that nation can seek aid from the General Fund
b. beasts of burden, or carriages to be drawn by said beasts of burden
c. Bicycles, scooters, cargo tricycles, rickshaws, and other vehicles powered primarily by mechanical action of the operator
d. shoes and other footwear designed specifically for distance travel at reasonable speeds
e. access to passenger railways, bus services, tramways, gondola lifts, metros, and similar services designed to move a large quantity of users between a list of stops or stations"


You’re welcome ;)
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Postby Juansonia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:40 pm

Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“Mr. Lazarus, I believe that I have fixed your short proposal:

The World Assembly,

Noting the common usage of carbon-based oils and natural gas as fuel to allow homes, businesses, and etc. to keep operating,

Deeply concerned that this usage of such carbon fuels releases carbon dioxide,

Deeply disturbed that this carbon dioxide can impact the international environment negatively,

Seeking to ban carbon fuels to prevent environmental chaos, the World Assembly hereby:
1. Calls for each member state to outlaw any extraction of carbon-based oil or natural gas—for the sake of stopping their common usage as fuel—within their territory or jurisdiction;
2. Accepts the usage of any non-carbon based gases, household cooking oils and/or essential oils.
3. Mandates that each member state distributes at least one, if not all, of the following as better alternatives for transportation:
a. Electric cars (long distance)
i. If a member nation cannot afford to distribute electric cars, then either that nation can seek aid from the General Fund or that nation can instead use carriages
b. Bicycles
c. Running shoes (short distance)


You’re welcome ;)
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire


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b. beasts of burden, or carriages to be drawn by said beasts of burden
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e. access to passenger railways, bus services, tramways, gondola lifts, metros, and similar services designed to move a large quantity of users between a list of stops or stations"
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:48 pm

Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“Mr. Lazarus, I believe that I have fixed your short proposal:

The World Assembly,

Noting the common usage of carbon-based oils and natural gas as fuel to allow homes, businesses, and etc. to keep operating,

Deeply concerned that this usage of such carbon fuels releases carbon dioxide,

Deeply disturbed that this carbon dioxide can impact the international environment negatively,

Seeking to ban carbon fuels to prevent environmental chaos, the World Assembly hereby:
1. Calls for each member state to outlaw any extraction of carbon-based oil or natural gas—for the sake of stopping their common usage as fuel—within their territory or jurisdiction;
2. Accepts the usage of any non-carbon based gases, household cooking oils and/or essential oils.
3. Mandates that each member state distributes at least one, if not all, of the following as better alternatives for transportation:
a. Electric cars (long distance)
i. If a member nation cannot afford to distribute electric cars, then either that nation can seek aid from the General Fund or that nation can instead use carriages
b. Bicycles
c. Running shoes (short distance)


You’re welcome ;)
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire

Gaius Marcius Blythe sighs. "I would remind her Excellency that vegetable oils and other cooking oils such as olive oil are made of triglycerides, which themselves have within them long carbon-hydrogen chains that make them definitely 'carbon-based'. Along with our previous remarks on plastics production and overabatement, we take a similarly dim view of these suggestions, well-intentioned and cheeky as they may be".



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Gaius Marcius Blythe leans his head on his fist and mumbles into a microphone, "My delegation has every expectation that the unnamed and unclearly staffed delegation at – whatever this time marker is on the transcript is – has the intellectual capacity to offer a more persuasive and robust response than they have yet chosen. We encourage them cordially to engage in utilising it".
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:31 pm

Ambassador Winslow, still impossibly drunk, hobbled into the Assembly, presenting a hastily written statement from Head Office to the GA Chamber.

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“From the Office of Interim Chief Executive Office, Emilie Haveman. NOT FOR PUBLICATION — Dear me, aren’t we in trouble? Ooooh, mommy gonna be mad — We ask that you and the rest of the WA delegation strongly support the Tinhampton proposal to ban Oil and Gas Extraction at the earliest available opportunity,” said Percy, clearly not appreciating the sensitivity of the memo he was reading out loud. “It is our belief that such a ban in WA Member-States would exponentially increase the value of our unconventional oil and gas resources in off-shore non-WA territories, like Naftahstan, Vloskovia, and any former Aralonia properties — in turn supporting the business case for their profitability and future development. *hic* If pressed for lines, please emphasize that — BIG BLACK DOT — the climate commitments of the Unibotian government and its elected Advisory Committee, led by Chair Ard Van Haldron. ANOTHER BIG BLACK DOT. We strongly support a coordinated international effort to reduce carbon emissions and pollution and such an initiative must begin at home with a moratorium on oil and gas exploration. LAST BIG BLACK DOT. Climate change remains the greatest threat to humanity.”

Percy tosses the page aside. Smiling goofily. “I shouldn’t have read that, should I *hic*?”
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:00 pm

Wayneactia wrote:"Oil and gas isn't just used for energy. If you are fully willing to abandon the use of all plastic and thus eradicate the modern world as we know it, then by all means, lets push this agenda through....."

Wayne

“You are correct of course, but perhaps a gradual drawdown over time. We can no longer pretend that we have no control. We are indeed contributing to a growing, unsustainable problem. We must reverse course. We must invest now in what will be the more sustainable energy of the unfathomable future (you know, like 35 years from now). We must try to slow the pace of the problem to the extent we can without sacrificing too much (whatever that means but I think it has something to do with the cost in economic freedom or liberty or probably security).

“A slowly reduced supply of unsustainable resources will support innovation. I am sure we all agree: if plastic really is the ultimate material human civilization can produce, well, then heaven help us all!”

(Apologies to any materials engineers working on plastics; you are great!)

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Postby Macadia » Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:31 pm

Ambassador Razowil takes off his glasses in a serious manner after reading through the draft: “What is this? Now while oil and gas, as well as their extraction, do indeed harm the planet, outright prohibition on such will directly crash what is still a lucrative market, and, let’s not forget about the prices and lines at the pump. Think about the people, that’s what they told me.”

He leans toward the microphone in a seemingly sarcastic remark: “Macadia, and any other sensical nation that isn’t hundreds of years in the future, opposes this draft in its whole, and hope it never sees the light of a vote on the General Assembly Floor, let alone the approval of the Secretariats.”
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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:29 am

“[To Ambassador Novo (i.e.: Juansonia)] I have edited my version accordingly.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire


“[To Ambassador G.M. Blythe (i.e.: I.A.)] Yes, you are indeed right about triglycerides, I think my scientific knowledge went out of this committee room while drafting. I was attempting to address the concerns of the ambassadors of Waynectia and Bananaistan regarding the draft of Mr. Lazarus. However, after further research, it turns out that cooking oils actually burn cleanly and thus do not significantly affect the climate. However, as to your concerns of overabatement, I am willing to edit my draft so that it does not imply a forced, immediate transition away from oils and gases. I may need assistance in finding areas of my draft that currently seemed to imply such immediate transition though.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
Last edited by Anne of Cleves in TNP on Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
IC Name: The Clevesian Empire
Capital: New Cleves
Leader: Empress Anne of Cleves III
Failed WA Proposals: “Repeal: Comfortable Pillows for All Protocol”
IC WA Ambassador: Ms. Charlotte Schafer
“Give me a proposal, I’ll give you some criticism.”
[RIP Technoblade]

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