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Should Þorn Be Reintroduced to þe English Language?

No, it's a þorn in my side!
12
16%
Yes, down wiþ French!
19
25%
We should use both 'th' and 'þ' in Modern English.
6
8%
Reject Modern English; Return to Anglo-Saxon!
16
21%
I have no strong feelings about þis whatsoever.
20
26%
Wait, what the Hell is "Ȝ"????
3
4%
 
Total votes : 76

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If You Can Read Þis

Postby Sordhau » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:43 am

Þis may surprise you to learn, but once upon a time þe English language had a letter to represent þe combined 't' and 'h' sound we see in words like 'faþer', 'moþer', 'wreaþ', 'wealþ', etc. Þis letter is referred to as "þorn" and in þis þread I would like to gauge interest on the reintroduction of þe letter þorn to Modern English.

Let me start by asking why it is necessary for the English language to represent an entire sound by smashing two letters togeþer when it already had a letter that represented þat exact sound? It seems pointlessly regressive and redundant to drop þe letter þorn. Yes, languages evolve, but in þis instance I would say þat English evolved incorrectly and þis can be blamed on French. Perhaps it is French's fault, perhaps it is not; it doesn't matter. It will be blamed regardless. It is no secret þat þe Normans ruined þe English language by mixing it wiþ French to create the abomination þat once was Middle English and later became the abomination þat is Modern English. Was þis change surely the result of Norman import of French because þey were too lazy to learn the local dialect? Who cares? It's þeir fault regardless. Let þe reintroduction of þe letter þorn be þe first step toward total de-Latinization of þe English language, to þe benefit of all people!

But of course you must be asking yourself, "Is þis really necessary?" To which I would say: no, of course it isn't necessary; but a change need not be necessary in order to be implemented. As it stands we have absolutely noþing to lose by reintroducing þorn to the English language. It is not as if such a small change would present any kind of difficulty. By now, after having read þis far, you have undoubtedly begun to associate þorn with the more familiar "th" sound you're used to. In þis you can see it is easy to learn how to use þe letter, and since no vocal change has been added to þe language, it becomes a matter of triviality in remembering to use þorn instead of "th". I myself have admittedly slipped up here and þere while typing all of þis by spelling words 'normally' instead of using þorn, but "with practice comes perfect" as þey say! It would be a spelling difference so simple and easy to learn and teach þat it would be equivalent to how Americans spell words correctly and the British (and þose influenced by þem) feel the irritable need to place an 'O' before every 'U' (or a 'U' after every 'O') so a word looks even more French - even when it isn't! And yet still the apparent spelling is so subtly different þat one still knows þat "honor" is pronounced the same as "honour" whether one is using the correct, Germanic spelling or the incorrect, Gallophilic spelling.

In short it is undeniable truþ þat þe English language loses noþing of particular wealþ by reintroducing þe letter þorn. But what say ȝe, NSG? Should þorn make a comeback?
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:44 am

Because if you use thorn to write the word thorn, it looks like porn lmao
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:45 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:Because if you use thorn to write the word thorn, it looks like porn lmao


Where's þe downside? ;)
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Postby Catholic America » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:46 am

Sordhau wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:Because if you use thorn to write the word thorn, it looks like porn lmao


Where's þe downside? ;)

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:47 am

I unironically support returning to Anglo-Saxon English instead of this bastardized French garbage.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:I unironically support returning to Anglo-Saxon English instead of this bastardized Fr*nch garbage.

FTFY
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I unironically support returning to Anglo-Saxon English instead of this bastardized French garbage.


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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:48 am

Sordhau wrote:Þis may surprise you to learn, but once upon a time þe English language had a letter to represent þe combined 't' and 'h' sound we see in words like 'faþer', 'moþer', 'wreaþ', 'wealþ', etc. Þis letter is referred to as "þorn" and in þis þread I would like to gauge interest on the reintroduction of þe letter þorn to Modern English.

Let me start by asking why it is necessary for the English language to represent an entire sound by smashing two letters togeþer when it already had a letter that represented þat exact sound? It seems pointlessly regressive and redundant to drop þe letter þorn. Yes, languages evolve, but in þis instance I would say þat English evolved incorrectly and þis can be blamed on French. Perhaps it is French's fault, perhaps it is not; it doesn't matter. It will be blamed regardless. It is no secret þat þe Normans ruined þe English language by mixing it wiþ French to create the abomination þat once was Middle English and later became the abomination þat is Modern English. Was þis change surely the result of Norman import of French because þey were too lazy to learn the local dialect? Who cares? It's þeir fault regardless. Let þe reintroduction of þe letter þorn be þe first step toward total de-Latinization of þe English language, to þe benefit of all people!

But of course you must be asking yourself, "Is þis really necessary?" To which I would say: no, of course it isn't necessary; but a change need not be necessary in order to be implemented. As it stands we have absolutely noþing to lose by reintroducing þorn to the English language. It is not as if such a small change would present any kind of difficulty. By now, after having read þis far, you have undoubtedly begun to associate þorn with the more familiar "th" sound you're used to. In þis you can see it is easy to learn how to use þe letter, and since no vocal change has been added to þe language, it becomes a matter of triviality in remembering to use þorn instead of "th". I myself have admittedly slipped up here and þere by spelling words 'normally' instead of using þorn, but "with practice comes perfect" as þey say! It would be a spelling difference so simple and easy to learn and teach þat it would be equivalent to how Americans spell words correctly and the British (and þose influenced by þem) feel the irritable need to place an 'O' before every 'U' so a word looks even more French - even when it isn't! And yet still the apparent spelling is so subtly different þat one still knows þat "honor" is pronounced the same as "honour" whether one is using the correct, Germanic spelling or the incorrect, Gallophilic spelling.

In short it is undeniable truþ þat þe English language loses noþing of particular wealþ by reintroducing þe letter þorn. But what say ȝe, NSG? Should þorn make a comeback?

I wouldn't mind :þ

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Postby Catholic America » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I unironically support returning to Anglo-Saxon English instead of this bastardized French garbage.

The norman conquest was a mistake.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:49 am

The poll be like:

"No, it's a þorn in my side"

That had be dying because I read it as a p and not a th because I was reading too fast.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:50 am

Maybe my mind lives in the gutter but I can’t take “þorn” seriously. I automatically think “porn” and not “thorn” and that makes me giggle
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:51 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I unironically support returning to Anglo-Saxon English instead of this bastardized Fr*nch garbage.

FTFY
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...why?
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Thermodolia wrote:Maybe my mind lives in the gutter but I can’t take “þorn” seriously. I automatically think “porn” and not “thorn” and that makes me giggle

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Postby Catholic America » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:Maybe my mind lives in the gutter but I can’t take “þorn” seriously. I automatically think “porn” and not “thorn” and that makes me giggle

You arnt the only one who thought that. I guaruntee it.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:Maybe my mind lives in the gutter but I can’t take “þorn” seriously. I automatically think “porn” and not “thorn” and that makes me giggle

That must be a þorn in your side, huh?

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Northern Seleucia wrote:FTFY
No swearing in the thread please.

...why?

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Postby Chan Island » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:55 am

Let's use both, in true English tradition.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:56 am

Bringing back old letters? Pfft, where's the movement to invent new letters?
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:58 am

Ifreann wrote:Bringing back old letters? Pfft, where's the movement to invent new letters?


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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:19 am

Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example 'Ðe faþer laid ðis wreaþ'.
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:20 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example Ðe faþer laid ðhis wreaþ.


Okay Arch, we get it, you're the bigger nerd here. No need to rub it in. :p
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:21 am

Sordhau wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example Ðe faþer laid ðhis wreaþ.


Okay Arch, we get it, you're the bigger nerd here. No need to rub it in. :p


You also quoted me before I corrected my eð-based spelling mistake; sigh.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:40 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Are you not sometimes using þorn where you should instead be using eð? For example 'Ðe faþer laid ðis wreaþ'.

This why French
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:41 am

Ignore English, everyone has to make their own conlangs and know at least 5 others
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Postby Hispida » Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:41 am

þorn is like my favorite letter. i'm so happy þis is getting more attention.

edit: alſo, return to þe ſecond-beſt letter from þe old timeſ.
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