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Why do Fascist nations / regions get so much hate?

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Jewish Underground State
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jewish Underground State » Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:11 pm

Catholic America wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:I'll make this simple to stay on topic

Trotsky who is seen as the face of true communism was willing and ordered for sending in firing squads to kill officers of other groups who wanted peace. The officers had shown up peacefully with no reason to kill yet he ordered them to die because they were from rival group even though that group wanted peace.

And don't even get me started on people like Castro and Mao.

The point is that these communist nations blaming fascists often have ideals matching real world communists. They are also real up in your face about it. These nations often push their ideals onto regions they don't like. Not all of these regions are even fascist.

Yes. Yes. Thats all awful terrible stuff that goes unpunished and ignored today. Its messed up and shouldnt be how it is, but thats now it is.

Since humans began living, groups have made themselves seem better by making another group seem worse.

While I am referencing how communist nations in this game make themselves seem better by hurting "Fascist" regions and nations, this can saying can also be used to describe Fascism itself.

It's terrifying to see how the communist nations in this game are so closely similar to the fascist nations.
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The Church of Satan
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:09 pm

Key point: with fascism, mass casualties are the point. With communism, that is not the point. I mean, it happens anyways, but it's due to poor economic policies rather than eliminating groups of people who don't fit in with the plan.

So that's a considerable factor in the NationStates community's widespread dislike of fascism.
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Jewish Underground State
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jewish Underground State » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:36 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:Key point: with fascism, mass casualties are the point. With communism, that is not the point. I mean, it happens anyways, but it's due to poor economic policies rather than eliminating groups of people who don't fit in with the plan.

So that's a considerable factor in the NationStates community's widespread dislike of fascism.

True. Maybe that’s why it’s more respectable to be communist than to be fascist.
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Icire
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Icire » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:39 pm

you get what you give

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Postby Flemmingburg » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:51 pm

Myuri wrote:
Flemmingburg wrote:I'm a relatively new player, but I know I can't be the only one wondering why in a fictional internet game where you can be as tyrannical, corrupt, and dictator-y as you want why fascists get such a bad reputation? Regions get raided and / or taken over and nations get condemned or are dis-allowed from joining some regions. I honestly don't get it. Sure fascists are bad in real life and did horrible stuff, but so have communists. Hell, almost every single ideology has done something horrible at some point. I'm not arguing in its favor, but simply that people on here should be able to truly play as the bad guys without being subject to pretentious crusading.


The thing to get is that there's a distinction to be made between "hey I've built a fascist nation, if I roleplay with it then I do so tastefully, and it doesn't reflect my actual views" and, in the alternative, a spectrum ranging from classic Wehraboos to modern cryptofascists who use a guise of "lol just nationbuilding/roleplay!" to launder their actual far-right viewpoints, and particularly, to build communities with sometimes dangerously far-right offsite communities. In other words, it's a problem when someone is actually drooling over/getting off on/celebrating fascism, as a player - though again, many attempt to pull a "it's just roleplay bro" card in bad faith.

For example, in Star Wars, the Empire (and variations thereof) are explicitly a fascist analogue, right down to "Stormtroopers." No one is (at least reasonably) going to get on your ass for playing along those lines. And on the far opposite "mask-off" side you have stuff like this. In between those, there's a lot of nuance that requires mature judgement to draw a line between what's closer to fangirling actual fascists and what's closer to...not.


sorry I'm so late but George Lucas has said on multiple occasions the original trilogy is an analogue for Vietnam. "Lucas even said in 2005 that Star Wars "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Richard Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships."

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Postby New Stonkopolis » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:56 pm

I am what I call a “Nationalistic Capitalistm.” I can also be referred to as, by the Fascist folk, “N**i Capitalists.” In Reality, my nation covers most of my views, but not any phobias, or the n**i kind of stuff.
I wouldn’t deserve hate, but some of these folk definitely do. And I’m talking about those fascists.
I understand that I’m nationalist, but it’s a light nationalism.
Just, don’t mind the flag.

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Lac Champlain » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:58 pm

New Stonkopolis wrote:I am what I call a “Nationalistic Capitalistm.” I can also be referred to as, by the Fascist folk, “N**i Capitalists.” In Reality, my nation covers most of my views, but not any phobias, or the n**i kind of stuff.
I wouldn’t deserve hate, but some of these folk definitely do. And I’m talking about those fascists.
I understand that I’m nationalist, but it’s a light nationalism.
Just, don’t mind the flag.

Kind of hard not to mind the flag given how obvious it is.

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