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[ON HOLD] Repeal GA#467 "Affordable Trans HT"

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[ON HOLD] Repeal GA#467 "Affordable Trans HT"

Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am

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Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly: Ambassador Hepperle remains neutral on this repeal, or at least he was the last time I checked in with him. And whoever the Morovian ambassador is these days just told me to "go for it" when I asked him a few hours ago. What about you?
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Repeal "Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.
Category: Repeal
Target: GA#467
Proposed by: Tinhampton

General Assembly Resolution #467 “Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy” (Category: Civil Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Affirming that this repeal will neither have a negative impact on any person's rights nor weaken this body's strong support for the trans community,

Celebrating GA#467 "Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy," for requiring that member states:
  • allow their inhabitants to obtain hormone therapy with their consent, and never force it on them without their consent,
  • provide their inhabitants "an affordable, easy-to-access way" to obtain hormone therapy, and
  • not deny "a transgender person access to hormone therapy as a punishment,"

Noting that GA#571 "Access to Transgender Hormone Therapy" not only accomplishes all of the admirable goals of GA#467, but also provides many more important protections for trans people who receive hormone therapy, such as:
  • guaranteeing that they pay no more than the relevant "manufacturing and distribution" fees for hormone therapy and face "as few barriers as possible" to obtaining it,
  • preventing "any entity from denying hormone therapy" to them "except where a legitimate danger to their health would arise as a result," and
  • protecting them from being coerced not to obtain, as well as to obtain, hormone therapy, and

Believing that repealing GA#467 is sensible, given that it does nothing that GA#571 does not already do...

The General Assembly hereby repeals GA#467 "Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy."
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:31 am

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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:48 am

If these arguments were true, why was #571 not declared illegal for duplication?
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:57 am

Wayneactia wrote:If these arguments were true, why was #571 not declared illegal for duplication?

Because 571 is more comprehensive in scope than 467. I seem to recall you asking the same questions of End Conversion Therapy, which ultimately passed by some margin :P
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Postby Fachumonn » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:38 am

Easy enough, should sail through.


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Postby Morover » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:43 am

I'm not happy to see it go (my first resolution will always have a special place in my heart), but it has no substantive effect now and there's no harm in repealing it, though there isn't any harm in not repealing either. Tin approached me a while ago asking if I'd be okay with repeal, and my answer was essentially "wait until GA activity is a lot lower than it was [then]", so I'm okay with it. Good luck, Tin.
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:03 pm

I'll need to closely look at all the provisions when I have time, but support in concept!

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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:16 pm

OOC: Yeah, no. Your arguments lie in the target resolution being redundant. This is not enough to warrant a repeal in usual circumstances in my opinion, but especially when the target is on a sensitive topic. Considering the target and your own resolution reached pages of bigotry in it's threads, I do not wish to hand transphobes the satisfaction of having this repealed when there's no good reason to. Also, if my resolution was repealed down the line, this resolution would at least still be in place. Therefore, opposed.


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Postby Junitaki-cho » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:20 pm

It's pride month.

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Postby Minskiev » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:21 pm

Idk 571 was unnecessary so
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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:24 pm

Minskiev wrote:Idk 571 was unnecessary so

No it wasn't?
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Postby Minskiev » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:30 pm

West Barack and East Obama wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Idk 571 was unnecessary so

No it wasn't?

I distinctly remember my thoughts of it as the time. It was unnecessary bloat that masqueraded (okay masquerade isn't the perfect word but it sailed through due to its nature) as a queer rights resolution, even though there really weren't any additional protections. The two lists in this repeal are basically the same things reworded. I'm all for queer rights but it didn't do anything.

Edit: Sorry, I misremembered my resolutions. It was GA#578 that did nothing. On reflection 571 does do a smidge more.
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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:32 pm

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:28 am

Honeydewistania wrote:OOC: Yeah, no. Your arguments lie in the target resolution being redundant. This is not enough to warrant a repeal in usual circumstances in my opinion, but especially when the target is on a sensitive topic. Considering the target and your own resolution reached pages of bigotry in it's threads, I do not wish to hand transphobes the satisfaction of having this repealed when there's no good reason to. Also, if my resolution was repealed down the line, this resolution would at least still be in place. Therefore, opposed.

This is a very convincing line of argument. I would need some actual wrongs, rather than just redundancy, before I would contemplate repealing these kinds of resolutions.


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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:19 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:OOC: Yeah, no. Your arguments lie in the target resolution being redundant. This is not enough to warrant a repeal in usual circumstances in my opinion, but especially when the target is on a sensitive topic. Considering the target and your own resolution reached pages of bigotry in it's threads, I do not wish to hand transphobes the satisfaction of having this repealed when there's no good reason to. Also, if my resolution was repealed down the line, this resolution would at least still be in place. Therefore, opposed.

This is a very convincing line of argument. I would need some actual wrongs, rather than just redundancy, before I would contemplate repealing these kinds of resolutions.

I've also been convinced by this line. While I think redundant legislation is generally unnecessary, I agree that there should almost always be something more than redundancy to justify a repeal.

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Postby Fachumonn » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:25 am

Junitaki-cho wrote:It's pride month.

"Yes, and repealing this has no effect on LGBTQ+ legislation, ambassador."


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"We are 100% for the repeal of this resolution. Transgender healthcare is not allowed within the nation, and therefore, this would mean a true end to it. Even if the intentions are to pass a new, better resolution in this regard, the moment it is repealed, are the moments to savor, before we go back to barbarianism." - Makko Oko Minister Of Diplomatic Affairs Alora Hakjova

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Makko Oko wrote:"We are 100% for the repeal of this resolution. Transgender healthcare is not allowed within the nation, and therefore, this would mean a true end to it. Even if the intentions are to pass a new, better resolution in this regard, the moment it is repealed, are the moments to savor, before we go back to barbarianism." - Makko Oko Minister Of Diplomatic Affairs Alora Hakjova

Ambassador Pride: "While it's good to know that the Minister of Diplomatic Affairs of Makko Oko has the leisure time to visit the World Assembly and declare your nation's transphobia, it is perhaps not so good when that transphobia carries with it legal consequences. Can the Minister for Diplomatic Affairs perhaps explain to the Assembly how he interprets the resolution this draft targets for repeal, Resolution 571, Access to Transgender Hormone Therapy, Resolution 440, Administrative Compliance Act, as well as any number codifying healthcare standards and equal protection? What rationale has been applied to outlaw not just transgender hormone therapy, but transgender healthcare altogether?"


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Makko Oko wrote:"We are 100% for the repeal of this resolution. Transgender healthcare is not allowed within the nation, and therefore, this would mean a true end to it. Even if the intentions are to pass a new, better resolution in this regard, the moment it is repealed, are the moments to savor, before we go back to barbarianism." - Makko Oko Minister Of Diplomatic Affairs Alora Hakjova

"Support for much the same reasons. Conversion therapy is as unethical as it is expensive, and we will gladly vote for if this comes to vote."

OOC: Also support.
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Postby Chacapoya » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:09 pm

Fachumonn wrote:
Junitaki-cho wrote:It's pride month.

"Yes, and repealing this has no effect on LGBTQ+ legislation, ambassador."


While that statement is arguably true, the mere presentation of this repeal, much like previous legislation in a similar vein, does nothing but invite transphobic rhetoric to the thread. Every time something like this comes through the GA, it seems to galvanize a new wave of bigotry and hatred, which the OP knows, given previous debacles she has incited! And yet it continues to occur, without fault, that a badge is given precedence over the preservation of the well-being of others.
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Chacapoya wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:"Yes, and repealing this has no effect on LGBTQ+ legislation, ambassador."


While that statement is arguably true, the mere presentation of this repeal, much like previous legislation in a similar vein, does nothing but invite transphobic rhetoric to the thread. Every time something like this comes through the GA, it seems to galvanize a new wave of bigotry and hatred, which the OP knows, given previous debacles she has incited! And yet it continues to occur, without fault, that a badge is given precedence over the preservation of the well-being of others.

There has not been a single OOC transphobic comment in this thread, if that's what you mean. As far as I know, none of the IC commenters who are in support for this resolution (including me)are actually anti-LGBTQ in real life. Don't be indirectly calling us bigots just because Tin has decided to repeal and pro-trans resolution.
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Postby Comfed » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:21 pm

Makko Oko wrote:"We are 100% for the repeal of this resolution. Transgender healthcare is not allowed within the nation, and therefore, this would mean a true end to it. Even if the intentions are to pass a new, better resolution in this regard, the moment it is repealed, are the moments to savor, before we go back to barbarianism." - Makko Oko Minister Of Diplomatic Affairs Alora Hakjova

There is already a resolution which encompasses the effects of the target resolution. I'm sorry to rain on your transphobic parade (well, not at all sorry really) but maybe when a thread title says "READ OP!" in capital letters with an exclamation point perhaps you should do so.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:21 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Chacapoya wrote:
While that statement is arguably true, the mere presentation of this repeal, much like previous legislation in a similar vein, does nothing but invite transphobic rhetoric to the thread. Every time something like this comes through the GA, it seems to galvanize a new wave of bigotry and hatred, which the OP knows, given previous debacles she has incited! And yet it continues to occur, without fault, that a badge is given precedence over the preservation of the well-being of others.

There has not been a single OOC transphobic comment in this thread, if that's what you mean. As far as I know, none of the IC commenters who are in support for this resolution (including me)are actually anti-LGBTQ in real life. Don't be indirectly calling us bigots just because Tin has decided to repeal and pro-trans resolution.


Chacapoya wasn't calling you a bigot, so not sure why you're getting so defensive. She's referring to the outpouring of OOC rhetoric from previous threads. You should try searching up the 20+ pages of the target resolution to see what we're in for.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:24 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:There has not been a single OOC transphobic comment in this thread, if that's what you mean. As far as I know, none of the IC commenters who are in support for this resolution (including me)are actually anti-LGBTQ in real life. Don't be indirectly calling us bigots just because Tin has decided to repeal and pro-trans resolution.


Chacapoya wasn't calling you a bigot, so not sure why you're getting so defensive. She's referring to the outpouring of OOC rhetoric from previous threads. You should try searching up the 20+ pages of the target resolution to see what we're in for.

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Postby Makko Oko » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:09 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Makko Oko wrote:"We are 100% for the repeal of this resolution. Transgender healthcare is not allowed within the nation, and therefore, this would mean a true end to it. Even if the intentions are to pass a new, better resolution in this regard, the moment it is repealed, are the moments to savor, before we go back to barbarianism." - Makko Oko Minister Of Diplomatic Affairs Alora Hakjova

Ambassador Pride: "While it's good to know that the Minister of Diplomatic Affairs of Makko Oko has the leisure time to visit the World Assembly and declare your nation's transphobia, it is perhaps not so good when that transphobia carries with it legal consequences. Can the Minister for Diplomatic Affairs perhaps explain to the Assembly how he interprets the resolution this draft targets for repeal, Resolution 571, Access to Transgender Hormone Therapy, Resolution 440, Administrative Compliance Act, as well as any number codifying healthcare standards and equal protection? What rationale has been applied to outlaw not just transgender hormone therapy, but transgender healthcare altogether?"


OOC: I don't actually know every WA resolution in effect haha (at least, not from before my time here), so honestly, in an OOC context, we do comply with it, ICly (and secretly), we comply with it but also do negative things not specifically illegal under international law to defend against it. Also, if it's not clear, not a bigot, my IC persona (or my nation I should say), is a dictatorship, dictators ban many things, OOC however, I wouldn't particularly support the repeal of trans rights, UNLESS, it expanded those rights after the repeal, but at that point, just make an amendment (which I know isn't a game function but still).

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