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Do you support the idea of a Constitutional Convention, and if so, what amendments do you support?

Poll ended at Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:42 pm

1. No Amendments. Brand New Constitution
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44%
2. Certain Amendments, but otherwise status quo.
14
21%
3. A lot of Amendments, but otherwise status quo.
8
12%
4. No changes at all.
15
23%
 
Total votes : 66

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A new Constitutional Convention

Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:42 pm

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States," - Article V of the U.S. Constitution, The Amendments Clause

Personally, I want a brand new supreme law. What about you?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:46 pm

Can we please have an amendment that states everyone born in the United States as a citizen gets healthcare?

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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:49 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:Can we please have an amendment that states everyone born in the United States as a citizen gets healthcare?


That should be high up there. Mexico has such clauses in its Constitution, so why can't we?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:51 pm

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Can we please have an amendment that states everyone born in the United States as a citizen gets healthcare?


That should be high up there. Mexico has such clauses in its Constitution, so why can't we?


Yeah. It pretty bad when the hybrid regime according to the Democracy Index can enshrine the right to healthcare but the flawed democracy can’t. Not that being a flawed democracy is something to be proud of.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:59 pm

I admit that it would be nice to change or replace the US constitution, but I am strongly opposed to it due to two reasons:
  • The constitution is the backbone of our country and if it is changed than all that work our founding fathers put in would go to waste.
  • If we replace the cobstitution, than the United States would no longer be the United States. Think about the constitution's purpose, it's meaning. We'd have a different country if it was replaced.
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:00 pm

Outlaw filibusters in Congress, expand the Supreme Court, eliminate the reactionary Electoral College and directly elect the US President, mandatory nonpartisan redistricting for all states, universal early absentee voting. The rest is a matter of technique. done and done.
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Postby Comfed » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:00 pm

There are issues with the structure of the US government which are so fundamental that it is inherently impossible to correct them without throwing the status quo out the proverbial window.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:00 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:Can we please have an amendment that states everyone born in the United States as a citizen gets healthcare?

That is best done by legislation, not an amendment in the constitution. But I agree with the concept.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:02 pm

Comfed wrote:There are issues with the structure of the US government which are so fundamental that it is inherently impossible to correct them without throwing the status quo out the proverbial window.

…which inherently throws the US and its values out the window as well.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:06 pm

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States," - Article V of the U.S. Constitution, The Amendments Clause

Personally, I want a brand new supreme law. What about you?

You are posting this from your leftist perspective, which is your right to do so and as the OP. This was discussed on one of the American Politics threads from a right wing perspective, there is a Republican organization with the same goal, from a right wing perspective.
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Postby Comfed » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:08 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Comfed wrote:There are issues with the structure of the US government which are so fundamental that it is inherently impossible to correct them without throwing the status quo out the proverbial window.

…which inherently throws the US and its values out the window as well.

Not necessarily. I'm not talking about getting rid of democracy or individual freedoms or anything. :P
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:09 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Mossadeghist Iran wrote:"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States," - Article V of the U.S. Constitution, The Amendments Clause

Personally, I want a brand new supreme law. What about you?

You are posting this from your leftist perspective, which is your right to do so and as the OP. This was discussed on one of the American Politics threads from a right wing perspective, there is a Republican organization with the same goal, from a right wing perspective.

How would abolishing the constitution be expressed from a conservative viewpoint? If I'm not mistaken, most of the Republican Party base their entire ideology off of that document. Their actions follow it by heart.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:12 pm

Comfed wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:…which inherently throws the US and its values out the window as well.

Not necessarily. I'm not talking about getting rid of democracy or individual freedoms or anything. :P

Well, unless the new constitution is a carbon copy of half of the current one, than yes, you would. :P
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:19 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:I admit that it would be nice to change or replace the US constitution, but I am strongly opposed to it due to two reasons:
  • The constitution is the backbone of our country and if it is changed than all that work our founding fathers put in would go to waste.
  • If we replace the cobstitution, than the United States would no longer be the United States. Think about the constitution's purpose, it's meaning. We'd have a different country if it was replaced.

Thomas Jefferson wanted constitutions to expire after 20 years. We can still be the United States under a new constitution; our nation is not made from a single document.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:24 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:You are posting this from your leftist perspective, which is your right to do so and as the OP. This was discussed on one of the American Politics threads from a right wing perspective, there is a Republican organization with the same goal, from a right wing perspective.

How would abolishing the constitution be expressed from a conservative viewpoint? If I'm not mistaken, most of the Republican Party base their entire ideology off of that document. Their actions follow it by heart.

What I, us and the organization I mentioned want to do, is make constitutional amendments to the US constitution. Like declaring the end of birth right citizenship, we strongly believe the 14th amendment has been misinterpreted for many years. They have many ideas, I cant link to it, because it will be a threadjack. Perhaps the majority conservative US Supreme Court, will reverse its interpretation.

My own personal amendment to the US constitution as a republican right winger: Legal immigration is legal immigration, with all their rights respected, as proposed by the President, house and senate representatives, and signed into law by the President. Illegal immigration is illegal immigration and will not be tolerated.
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Postby Freemax » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:27 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:I admit that it would be nice to change or replace the US constitution, but I am strongly opposed to it due to two reasons:
  • The constitution is the backbone of our country and if it is changed than all that work our founding fathers put in would go to waste.
  • If we replace the cobstitution, than the United States would no longer be the United States. Think about the constitution's purpose, it's meaning. We'd have a different country if it was replaced.


What about your daily life would be worse if either were true? I'm not seeing a problem.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:34 pm

I don't think there's a purpose in a new constitution. The articles and amendments so far seem bi-partisan enough that creating a new constitution would seem one sided and finicky. Especially if the "new".constitution inevitably goes to the wrong party :blink:
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:36 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
My own personal amendment to the US constitution as a republican right winger: Legal immigration is legal immigration, with all their rights respected, as proposed by the President, house and senate representatives, and signed into law by the President. Illegal immigration is illegal immigration and will not be tolerated.

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Postby Hispida » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:36 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:I admit that it would be nice to change or replace the US constitution, but I am strongly opposed to it due to two reasons:
  • The constitution is the backbone of our country and if it is changed than all that work our founding fathers put in would go to waste.
  • If we replace the cobstitution, than the United States would no longer be the United States. Think about the constitution's purpose, it's meaning. We'd have a different country if it was replaced.

i see these as upsides tbh
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:40 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:I admit that it would be nice to change or replace the US constitution, but I am strongly opposed to it due to two reasons:
  • The constitution is the backbone of our country and if it is changed than all that work our founding fathers put in would go to waste.
  • If we replace the cobstitution, than the United States would no longer be the United States. Think about the constitution's purpose, it's meaning. We'd have a different country if it was replaced.

i see these as upsides tbh

How would these be upsides? If you want the United States to crumble, maybe you shouldn't be living in it.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:40 pm

Hispida wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:I admit that it would be nice to change or replace the US constitution, but I am strongly opposed to it due to two reasons:
  • The constitution is the backbone of our country and if it is changed than all that work our founding fathers put in would go to waste.
  • If we replace the cobstitution, than the United States would no longer be the United States. Think about the constitution's purpose, it's meaning. We'd have a different country if it was replaced.

i see these as upsides tbh

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Postby Hispida » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:43 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Hispida wrote:i see these as upsides tbh

How would these be upsides? If you want the United States to crumble, maybe you shouldn't be living in it.

here's the thing: i don't want to be living in the US

preferably i would move to a country where i can't be legally killed for being who i am but here we are
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:45 pm

Hispida wrote:
Floofybit wrote:How would these be upsides? If you want the United States to crumble, maybe you shouldn't be living in it.

here's the thing: i don't want to be living in the US

preferably i would move to a country where i can't be legally killed for being who i am but here we are

I don't see your point. Just because someone is killed for their background in RARE cases doesn't mean it's legal. Don't chance crime and you should be good.
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Postby Hispida » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:46 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Hispida wrote:here's the thing: i don't want to be living in the US

preferably i would move to a country where i can't be legally killed for being who i am but here we are

I don't see your point. Just because someone is killed for their background in RARE cases doesn't mean it's legal. Don't chance crime and you should be good.

here's the thing

thankfully i live in a state where the lgbt+ panic defense has been banned but i don't trust youngkin and the general assembly to not overturn that law

i want to move out of this shithole as fast as possible. i believe the collapse of the US would be a good thing and personally cannot wait for it to happen
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:47 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Hispida wrote:here's the thing: i don't want to be living in the US

preferably i would move to a country where i can't be legally killed for being who i am but here we are

I don't see your point. Just because someone is killed for their background in RARE cases doesn't mean it's legal. Don't chance crime and you should be good.


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