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15 & lower owner cards for sale

Postby Erli » Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:19 am

COMMON S1
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/ ... 2/season=1

UNCOMMON S1
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=2138660/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=280044/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=481640/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=292383/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=11964/season=1

RARE S1
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=839318/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=2121436/season=1
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=473436/season=1

COMMON S2
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3347765/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=2032184/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3385809/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3374590/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3366673/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3372519/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3365827/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=2903770/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3381856/season=2
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=3390533/season=2

UNCOMMON S2
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=83368/season=2
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Postby Vylixan » Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:20 am

I placed a few bids on cards.

I don't really get how you price your S1's though, 0.79 for an S1 common and 0.89 for an S1 Rare is very strange to me.
These are the prices I tend to pay for regular cards, so without taking amount of owners or MV into account
Season 2
    common: 0.05,
    uncommon: 0.10,
    rare: 0.15,
    ultra-rare: 0.25,
    epic: 0.55,
Season 1
    common: 0.10,
    uncommon: 0.20,
    rare: 0.30,
    ultra-rare: 0.40,
    epic: 0.75,
For low owners season 1 cards I'm not prepared to go more then double
And I suspect I'm a bit on the higher side then most traders for these prices.
Low owner cards really only come into effect below about 7-10 owners
They are sought after for a number of reasons, but in general les owners increases the value, up to a point.
Most traders I deal with pay and/or ask 1 bank for a 1 owner regular common, and after that do 1 bank / number of owners, so 0.5, 0.33, 0.20, 0.16, 0.14 etc.
Now if you talk other rarities or season 1 cards that are low owners the meta is a bit more iffy. It also always depends on what people are willing to pay for it a bit.

I also noted you are trying to sell inflated cards. Inflated cards very very rarely go for their MV, unless they are backed by someone, because unbacked inflated cards will soon drop in value. There is also a very good chance that trading inflated cards at MV will get people underasking. The very nature of inflating an unbacked card also means that that card very rarely will be traded again at that value ever again.
My advice for inflated cards is, either keep them to support a nice DV increase, or sell them at 10%-20% of their DV, you can selfmatch to lure MV sharks.
Remember, that 10%-20% is way more what you would have gotten had you junked the card, and afterwards the card will drop in MV, It's better to make a profit of the card right now, then wait and see the value of the card drop lower and lower and ending up with a worthless card.

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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:54 am

Sometimes I really wonder, what for so many players accumulate so much bank. They don´t spend it for deck expansion (beyond a certain limit), they are to stingy to offer/pay more than a ridiculous few cents for even the most rare of cards, even if such cards are missing in their collection(s), but often place absurde asks for cards they see somone is looking for.
Why do you people do this ? Have you all forgotten, that is imaginary money in a virtual game, and you can neither pay for your housing bills with it, nor get a single 'hotdog' for it in real world ? The only reason I could think of is for 'inflating' cards, which imo should be outlawed as well as some other practices (overstocking and massive card-farming, to name a few, but there are other threads for this, and since 'admins' and the NS-staff don´t seem to care about....).
If I really want to get a card, I offer and pay it´s price (if it´s somehow reasonable), and to do so I don´t need hundreds or thousands of worthless bank. And I also don´t need dozens of 'collections', mostly created out of 'where to with all the cards from all my puppets' (looking to Fauzia and his lottery here, as kind of a 'positive' example, or to some of the 'giveaways' that happen from time to time).
So where do you 'rich people' expect to spend all your 'precious' bank then, since you don´t use it how it´s meant for (by the game-mechanics/rules) ? Can it really be the sole reason, that you need this ego boost to 'be a millionaire' in this game, because in the real world you´re more a poor 'zero' than a 'winner' ? Or is it the 'ability to bully' some other players on the market ? To feel like Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffet (both are, imo, ruthless a......s, same as many others of their kind) for a few seconds ?
I really would like to know...

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Postby Thethen » Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:56 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:Sometimes I really wonder, what for so many players accumulate so much bank. They don´t spend it for deck expansion (beyond a certain limit), they are to stingy to offer/pay more than a ridiculous few cents for even the most rare of cards, even if such cards are missing in their collection(s), but often place absurde asks for cards they see somone is looking for.
Why do you people do this ? Have you all forgotten, that is imaginary money in a virtual game, and you can neither pay for your housing bills with it, nor get a single 'hotdog' for it in real world ? The only reason I could think of is for 'inflating' cards, which imo should be outlawed as well as some other practices (overstocking and massive card-farming, to name a few, but there are other threads for this, and since 'admins' and the NS-staff don´t seem to care about....).
If I really want to get a card, I offer and pay it´s price (if it´s somehow reasonable), and to do so I don´t need hundreds or thousands of worthless bank. And I also don´t need dozens of 'collections', mostly created out of 'where to with all the cards from all my puppets' (looking to Fauzia and his lottery here, as kind of a 'positive' example, or to some of the 'giveaways' that happen from time to time).
So where do you 'rich people' expect to spend all your 'precious' bank then, since you don´t use it how it´s meant for (by the game-mechanics/rules) ? Can it really be the sole reason, that you need this ego boost to 'be a millionaire' in this game, because in the real world you´re more a poor 'zero' than a 'winner' ? Or is it the 'ability to bully' some other players on the market ? To feel like Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffet (both are, imo, ruthless a......s, same as many others of their kind) for a few seconds ?
I really would like to know...

I think they care more about the card’s value but want to waste as little bank as possible.
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Postby New Kowloon Bay » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:20 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:Sometimes I really wonder, what for so many players accumulate so much bank. They don´t spend it for deck expansion (beyond a certain limit), they are to stingy to offer/pay more than a ridiculous few cents for even the most rare of cards, even if such cards are missing in their collection(s), but often place absurde asks for cards they see somone is looking for.
Why do you people do this ? Have you all forgotten, that is imaginary money in a virtual game, and you can neither pay for your housing bills with it, nor get a single 'hotdog' for it in real world ? The only reason I could think of is for 'inflating' cards, which imo should be outlawed as well as some other practices (overstocking and massive card-farming, to name a few, but there are other threads for this, and since 'admins' and the NS-staff don´t seem to care about....).
If I really want to get a card, I offer and pay it´s price (if it´s somehow reasonable), and to do so I don´t need hundreds or thousands of worthless bank. And I also don´t need dozens of 'collections', mostly created out of 'where to with all the cards from all my puppets' (looking to Fauzia and his lottery here, as kind of a 'positive' example, or to some of the 'giveaways' that happen from time to time).
So where do you 'rich people' expect to spend all your 'precious' bank then, since you don´t use it how it´s meant for (by the game-mechanics/rules) ? Can it really be the sole reason, that you need this ego boost to 'be a millionaire' in this game, because in the real world you´re more a poor 'zero' than a 'winner' ? Or is it the 'ability to bully' some other players on the market ? To feel like Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffet (both are, imo, ruthless a......s, same as many others of their kind) for a few seconds ?
I really would like to know...

An imaginary number going up makes the satisfied feelings come out.

Also, inflation makes an imaginary line also go up, also making satisfied feelings come out.

Plus, collections are not just "where to with all the cards of my puppets", some of them are certainly unique and interesting, and take loads of time and effort, even with a massive amount of puppets. They also sometimes take large amounts of bank to finish.

Finally, giveways do not equal collections.
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:02 am

New Kowloon Bay wrote:Plus, collections are not just "where to with all the cards of my puppets", some of them are certainly unique and interesting, and take loads of time and effort, even with a massive amount of puppets. They also sometimes take large amounts of bank to finish.

I do know this, since I`m a collector myself - but those 'real' collections weren´t meant (the game doesn´t make any difference between 'collections' and 'amassing or storing of cards', both are called 'collections')
New Kowloon Bay wrote:Finally, giveways do not equal collections.

...tell me something new...

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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:19 am

Thethen wrote:I think they care more about the card’s value but want to waste as little bank as possible.

Well, but to safe the 'money' for what reason ? Most of the players I´m talking of have more 'income' every day (due to card-farming) as they spend in a month on cards.

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Postby Erli » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:46 am

@Vylixan
Thanks for the feedback. I want to say even though my account was set up in 2019 I believe I played around a month then forgot about it and CTE. I revived recently, it's gonna be a month in a few days. I don't fully know what goes for what. My S1 card reasoning was since it's nearly impossible to get them with RNG their rarity matters but not as much. So I made up some numbers that seemed fair to me. As for my couple inflated cards, I knew they weren't gonna sell, I'm shooting for golden International Artwork badge so I'm not really trying to get rid of them for bank.

@Coffin-Breathe
Looking at your post's time I think I became a victim of unfortunate judgement. I only have decent credit because someone decided to buy a card that I didn't list on forum, one hour before your post. Before that trade I had 2.??, unable to upgrade my deck size to 150 so I was stuck. My best card is an inflated S2 Common that I bought for 4.00 credit when I came back to game. Not really "rich people" with "precious bank".

Rest is just chain reaction to latter comment.

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Postby New Kowloon Bay » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:59 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Thethen wrote:I think they care more about the card’s value but want to waste as little bank as possible.

Well, but to safe the 'money' for what reason ? Most of the players I´m talking of have more 'income' every day (due to card-farming) as they spend in a month on cards.

I suppose during the process of inflation there is a small chance they could get heisted, which makes them need extra bank to make up for losses.
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Postby Erli » Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:03 pm

Vylixan wrote:I placed a few bids on cards.
...I also noted you are trying to sell inflated cards. Inflated cards very very rarely go for their MV, unless they are backed by someone, because unbacked inflated cards will soon drop in value. There is also a very good chance that trading inflated cards at MV will get people underasking. The very nature of inflating an unbacked card also means that that card very rarely will be traded again at that value ever again.
My advice for inflated cards is, either keep them to support a nice DV increase, or sell them at 10%-20% of their DV, you can selfmatch to lure MV sharks.
Remember, that 10%-20% is way more what you would have gotten had you junked the card, and afterwards the card will drop in MV, It's better to make a profit of the card right now, then wait and see the value of the card drop lower and lower and ending up with a worthless card.


I ended up getting rid of my inflated cards. You are right they are gonna deflate and in fact one of them did, they are kind of a trap for new traders (like me who paid 4.00 lol).The loss wasn't big but sometimes you gotta take the L and move on with the experience. I guess I'll still be on the lookout for inflated cards because it seems like the easiest way to get golden badge but maybe not pay too much. I also learnt that market value is calculated taking the last 10 trades into consideration so that helps.

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Postby Vylixan » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:24 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:Sometimes I really wonder, what for so many players accumulate so much bank. They don´t spend it for deck expansion (beyond a certain limit), they are to stingy to offer/pay more than a ridiculous few cents for even the most rare of cards, even if such cards are missing in their collection(s), but often place absurde asks for cards they see somone is looking for.
Why do you people do this ? Have you all forgotten, that is imaginary money in a virtual game, and you can neither pay for your housing bills with it, nor get a single 'hotdog' for it in real world ? The only reason I could think of is for 'inflating' cards, which imo should be outlawed as well as some other practices (overstocking and massive card-farming, to name a few, but there are other threads for this, and since 'admins' and the NS-staff don´t seem to care about....).
If I really want to get a card, I offer and pay it´s price (if it´s somehow reasonable), and to do so I don´t need hundreds or thousands of worthless bank. And I also don´t need dozens of 'collections', mostly created out of 'where to with all the cards from all my puppets' (looking to Fauzia and his lottery here, as kind of a 'positive' example, or to some of the 'giveaways' that happen from time to time).
So where do you 'rich people' expect to spend all your 'precious' bank then, since you don´t use it how it´s meant for (by the game-mechanics/rules) ? Can it really be the sole reason, that you need this ego boost to 'be a millionaire' in this game, because in the real world you´re more a poor 'zero' than a 'winner' ? Or is it the 'ability to bully' some other players on the market ? To feel like Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffet (both are, imo, ruthless a......s, same as many others of their kind) for a few seconds ?
I really would like to know...


Me personally, I'm trying to not overspend on cards to save bank for some of the more expensive cards I want to buy for my collections. I don't have that much bank compared to most other 'big' card farmers.
I have all 867 free bank across my collections, 452 committed bank and about 1029 transferable bank on all my farms (these are numbers from begin this week though, haven't updates them all).
I collect a heck of a lot more types of cards that I want to invest money in, I can't allow myself to overspend at the moment. I also need some decent bank to facilitate transfers of high MV cards and Legendaries to collections.
I do not inflate cards, period. And the only MV increases of cards I'm responsible for are when I need to transfer bank.
I just don't play this game to get more DV, I'm just interested in collecting cards in interesting and beautiful collections. Sometimes I do need to play the capitalist to get a bit more bank.

Besides this have a target for what my possible bids on all The Pacific cards in a possible Season 3 are going to be, see this overview:
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I haven't even looked at what getting S3 copies of all my other cards in collections is going to cost me.

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Postby Vylixan » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:28 am

Erli wrote:@Vylixan
Thanks for the feedback. I want to say even though my account was set up in 2019 I believe I played around a month then forgot about it and CTE. I revived recently, it's gonna be a month in a few days. I don't fully know what goes for what. My S1 card reasoning was since it's nearly impossible to get them with RNG their rarity matters but not as much. So I made up some numbers that seemed fair to me. As for my couple inflated cards, I knew they weren't gonna sell, I'm shooting for golden International Artwork badge so I'm not really trying to get rid of them for bank.

@Coffin-Breathe
Looking at your post's time I think I became a victim of unfortunate judgement. I only have decent credit because someone decided to buy a card that I didn't list on forum, one hour before your post. Before that trade I had 2.??, unable to upgrade my deck size to 150 so I was stuck. My best card is an inflated S2 Common that I bought for 4.00 credit when I came back to game. Not really "rich people" with "precious bank".

Rest is just chain reaction to latter comment.


Eh, nobody is exactly sure what to pay for S1 cards, so prices may vary a lot, I just wanted to give my honest opinion of your prices, I hope I did not offend anyone.
It wasn't the price perse that weirded me out a bit but the fact that across the rarities the prices were very close. I mostly take JV as a base for a price ad then apply some multiplier (unless there are other factors in play), but in the end it's admittedly still a bit of guess work.

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Postby Erli » Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:04 am

Vylixan wrote:Eh, nobody is exactly sure what to pay for S1 cards, so prices may vary a lot, I just wanted to give my honest opinion of your prices, I hope I did not offend anyone...

Nope, not at all.

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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:34 am

Vylixan wrote:Eh, nobody is exactly sure what to pay for S1 cards, so prices may vary a lot,

Muahahaha, isn´t it like ever ? The price is as low or high, as somebody is willing to pay (which might be JV x 100 or even 1000, regarding the scarcity of said card as well as the fact, that series ones are so much harder to come by)


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