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Art thou a climate doomer?

Yea, full doomer. We're all going to bake soon and there's nothing that can be done at this point, so screw everything.
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Yea, quasi doomer. We're going to face terrible times, and it's perfectly pointless trying to stop the climate change now.
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Yea, quasi doomer. We're going to face terrible times, but I still try to do my part even if it's useless.
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Nay, we can do it and we will. Never give up, never surrender!
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Nay, there's no such thing as climate change, screw you looser doomers!
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Nay, climate change is actually good because I like it when it's warm!
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Other ('splain)
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Mirth
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Postby Risottia » Mon May 23, 2022 1:37 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61495035

tl:dr; "climate doomism" is the feeling that we've ALREADY run out of time to prevent disastrous global warming from happening, and that humanity is "doomed" to extinction because of it. Sort of the extreme opposite to climate-change denial. The article's author collected the opinions of some climatologists who insist that it isn't too late to act; speaking as a layman about climatology, though, I too feel that we're well past the point of no return, mostly because governments and corporations aren't going to do enough about it. I don't think we as species are doomed to extinction because of it, but I think we're going to see a lot more wars for resources and territory, coupled with mass famines and mass migration of impoverished people - which will trigger further nationalistic response etc etc. So, I don't think I qualify as a full "doomer", but as a "quasi-doomer" nevertheless. I still try to reduce my impact on the planet, but I know perfectly it's totally useless, as my behaviour isn't going to change the world anyway.

Are you a doomer, too? Are you optimistic? Are you a fellow "quasi-doomer"?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 23, 2022 1:44 am

Full doomer here. Going down the climate science rabbit hole was genuinely one of the worst choices I ever made. I don't think our entire species is doomed to extinction, but civilization does appear to have its days numbered and I think things are only going to get worse going forward.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon May 23, 2022 2:10 am

In theory, there is still time.

In practice I'm pretty doomer at this point, I just do not believe political and economic structures are capable of dealing with this issue.

But such is the cyclical nature of life. And we had a damn good run after WW2 in Europe, so low-key curious to see what the world after the wars and disasters will look like.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 23, 2022 2:14 am

Chan Island wrote:In theory, there is still time.

In practice I'm pretty doomer at this point, I just do not believe political and economic structures are capable of dealing with this issue.

But such is the cyclical nature of life. And we had a damn good run after WW2 in Europe, so low-key curious to see what the world after the wars and disasters will look like.


This is pretty much how I look at it. People are not wrong when they say there's still time, but nobody is using that time well. China is importing record amounts of coal, the developing nations still need cheap energy, our economic system still functions on the basis of unlimited growth which is contrary to a sustainable environment etc etc. Things could potentially 180 in the next couple years, but that seems really doubtful and every day it becomes more and more likely we reach the point of the no return.
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Postby Haganham » Mon May 23, 2022 3:30 am

I guess I've always been a quasi doomer. I think we missed our train by not abandoning fossil fuels in favor of nuclear energy.
There's still hope to mitigate climate change by doing so, but it would require us to trigger something like the Azolla event to buy time.
Also I lay a lot of blame on the "envromental" movement itself. A lot of the delaying was enabled by them insisting we address climate change through future technologies, which just gave energy companies an excuse to stall. And of course blocking the development of nuclear power
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon May 23, 2022 4:23 am

When you've lived through as many doomsday predictions (including "climate change") as I have, you come to realize they are all bullshit.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon May 23, 2022 4:30 am

Partial doomer. It's happening, but we're going to get through it.. We always do.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Mon May 23, 2022 4:36 am

we could mostly avert climate catastrophe but we won't. our political and economic power structures won't bother until it's too late
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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 23, 2022 4:57 am

i feel like the main reason behind climate doomerism being a terrible stance is that the only people it benefits are the people ruining the planet in the first place
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Postby Fachumonn » Mon May 23, 2022 5:01 am

Partial Doomism. And the people saying this stuff is bullshit is heavily misinformed.


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Postby Lemsrow » Mon May 23, 2022 5:04 am

Well, we are near the edge, so we have to actively correct the climate before it falls into the abyss.

But apparently, corporations are allowed to dispose it directly to the ground or river. Only for nations with no regulation that is.
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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 23, 2022 5:08 am

Lemsrow wrote:Well, we are near the edge, so we have to actively correct the climate before it falls into the abyss.

But apparently, corporations are allowed to dispose it directly to the ground or river. Only for nations with no regulation that is.

the main issue is that regulation in our current economies is innately frustrated by the fact that capital confers power and power invariably influences a country's political process if it chooses; fossil fuel companies have a lot of power and a lot of interests so trying to get them to piss off in time while they lobby against you at every turn becomes nigh-impossible
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Mon May 23, 2022 5:18 am

I suppose quasi-doomer describes my attitude fairly well. I think we are already well past the point of actually averting the effects of anthropogenic climate change altogether; from this point onwards what we should be aiming for is to minimise the damage, but even that seems an unrealistic prospect in the face of institutional resistance to the necessary changes from governments and corporations and the continued obfuscation of the issue by people who have a vested economic interest in the status quo and/or have drunk the climate denial Kool-Aid. Human extinction is a pretty extreme and unlikely outcome, but I definitely see our current civilisation undergoing a collapse of some sort, comparable to the fall of the Western Roman Empire or the Crisis of the Late Middle Ages. I still think there's a moral imperative to do whatever we can as individuals and as a society to combat the causes and effects of climate change but I'm increasingly pessimistic about the efficacy of such efforts. I think it would be in the best interests of people of my generation to die before they make it to 60, to be honest.
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Postby Kerwa » Mon May 23, 2022 5:34 am

I’m actually actively involved in some environmentalism stuff, and I’m not a complete doomer about it (the climate that is). Obviously the proliferation of humans is changing the climate though.

The environment is generally being fucked however, not just the climate.

I don’t think that many climate “doomers”, on the other, hand really believe in any of it. It’s just a convenient handful of poo to fling at their monkey rivals, or -as in the case of John Kerry - are too stupid to understand what’s going on in the first place. There’s a lot of grifters too.
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Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Mon May 23, 2022 5:42 am

To me, no, climate change is not fucked.
During the early 2010s, the UN recorded that the climate will change by 5 degrees celsius. Now scientists are explaining that it is going slower and now it will only grow by 2.3 degrees celsius, and even that's getting lower. There is still hope.
This doomerism just allows the politicians and corporations to turn a blind eye to climate change and doomers end up doing nothing to fix the issue.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 23, 2022 5:53 am

Big Jim P wrote:When you've lived through as many doomsday predictions (including "climate change") as I have, you come to realize they are all bullshit.


I don't think you've actually lived through any real doomsday predictions though? Like, about the closest thing I can think of for that statement would be some of the scares in the Cold War, and to say those were bullshit is questionable with hindsight given we know WW3 almost started a few times.
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Postby The Islamic Earth » Mon May 23, 2022 6:04 am

I believe that Humans are versatile

We shouldn't waste anytime in stopping climate change, But humanity can still survive, just in a very unpleasant environment. Still though, Climate change is one of our paramount issues, and we should address it now
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Postby Risottia » Mon May 23, 2022 6:33 am

The Islamic Earth wrote:I believe that Humans are versatile

We shouldn't waste anytime in stopping climate change, But humanity can still survive, just in a very unpleasant environment. Still though, Climate change is one of our paramount issues, and we should address it now

The question is: are we going to succeed?
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Postby Haganham » Mon May 23, 2022 6:34 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:When you've lived through as many doomsday predictions (including "climate change") as I have, you come to realize they are all bullshit.


I don't think you've actually lived through any real doomsday predictions though? Like, about the closest thing I can think of for that statement would be some of the scares in the Cold War, and to say those were bullshit is questionable with hindsight given we know WW3 almost started a few times.

We also had y2k, the Mayan apocalypse, the new ice ace and new plagues.
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Postby Kerwa » Mon May 23, 2022 6:36 am

Risottia wrote:
The Islamic Earth wrote:I believe that Humans are versatile

We shouldn't waste anytime in stopping climate change, But humanity can still survive, just in a very unpleasant environment. Still though, Climate change is one of our paramount issues, and we should address it now

The question is: are we going to succeed?


Not with that attitude.

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Postby Risottia » Mon May 23, 2022 6:37 am

Haganham wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't think you've actually lived through any real doomsday predictions though? Like, about the closest thing I can think of for that statement would be some of the scares in the Cold War, and to say those were bullshit is questionable with hindsight given we know WW3 almost started a few times.

We also had y2k, the Mayan apocalypse, the new ice ace and new plagues.

Those were y2k, Mayan apocalypse and the new "ice ace" (sic) had no scientific support. And plagues have failed to eradicate humanity so far: even the Black Death killed "just" 1/3 of the population of Europe, and that was before we even knew how the hell contagious diseases worked.
Global warming, on the other hand, has much more potential, especially if we get to a runoff reaction with the methane being released by clathrates and permafrost.

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Risottia wrote:The question is: are we going to succeed?


Not with that attitude.

That's entirely the point! Or maybe not. The attitude of a single citizen does jack shit... the attitude of corporations and governments is a different story.
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Postby Kerwa » Mon May 23, 2022 6:37 am

Haganham wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't think you've actually lived through any real doomsday predictions though? Like, about the closest thing I can think of for that statement would be some of the scares in the Cold War, and to say those were bullshit is questionable with hindsight given we know WW3 almost started a few times.

We also had y2k, the Mayan apocalypse, the new ice ace and new plagues.


Yah. Y2K was a good one.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 23, 2022 6:38 am

Haganham wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't think you've actually lived through any real doomsday predictions though? Like, about the closest thing I can think of for that statement would be some of the scares in the Cold War, and to say those were bullshit is questionable with hindsight given we know WW3 almost started a few times.

We also had y2k, the Mayan apocalypse, the new ice ace and new plagues.

Who ever thought that Y2K was going to end the world?
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Postby Heloin » Mon May 23, 2022 6:38 am

The best time to solve the longterm problem we’ve been barreling towards was thirty years ago. Every year beyond that point has been the complete destruction of any hope of completely averting the ongoing climate crisis. That doesn’t mean we are doomed, but it does mean every day we don’t act to change how we as humans live on this planet is another day closer to all the worst predictions.
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Postby Risottia » Mon May 23, 2022 6:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Haganham wrote:We also had y2k, the Mayan apocalypse, the new ice ace and new plagues.

Who ever thought that Y2K was going to end the world?

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