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How long do you believe Boris Johnson will remain as Prime Minister after recent electoral defeats?

He will remain Prime Minister full term and lead the Conservative Party into the Next Election.
5
11%
He will remain Prime Minister full term, successfully beating another vote of no confidence, and lead the Conservative Party into the Next Election.
11
24%
He will lose a vote of no confidence/resign within the next One-Two Years.
8
18%
He will lose a vote of no confidence/resign within the next Six Months.
11
24%
He will lose a vote of no confidence/resign within the next Month.
0
No votes
He will lose a vote of no confidence/resign within the next five hours, defect to the NIP and lead it to glorious victory in Dudley North in the Next Election.
10
22%
 
Total votes : 45

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun May 22, 2022 9:16 pm

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This thread is for discussing UK Politics, whether it be Brexit, the cost of living crisis, the government response to Coronavirus, or anything else politically related that crops up in the news. Please observe the forum rules when participating here. If you see someone breaking the rules then please report it in Moderation.

Last thread here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=503560

Bout ye, this is the latest edition of the UK Politics Thread, now OP'd by yours truly. No big grand intro, just behave yourselves and be civil, lest the wrath of the mods descend upon us. Made with the go ahead by Celritannia, the last op

Poll 1: What do you think the results for the upcoming by-elections will be?
WAKEFIELD: Conservative Hold: 14 (10%)
WAKEFIELD: Labour Gain: 53 (37%)
WAKEFIELD: Liberal Democrat Gain: 6 (4%)
WAKEFIELD: Other Gain / Not sure: 4 (3%)
TIVERTON/HONITON: Conservative Hold: 12 (8%)
TIVERTON/HONITON: Labour Gain: 11 (8%)
TIVERTON/HONITON: Liberal Democrat Gain: 31 (22%)
TIVERTON/HONITON: Other Gain / Not sure: 6 (4%)
OTHER: 6 (4%)

Poll 2:


How Do You Feel About HS2?
Support 22 19%
Mildly Support 19 17%
Indifferent 12 11%
Mildly Oppose 12 11%
Oppose 16 14%
Does the "H" Stand for Hasselhoff? 32 28%

How Do You Feel About the Upcoming Departure From the EU?
Pleased 66 37%
Kinda Pleased 12 7%
Indifferent 23 13%
Kinda Sad 14 8%
Sad 33 19%
*Transmission Indecipherable Due to Being in a Bunker Filled With Memorabilia and Food From the EU* 29 16%

Is the UK Government Doing Enough to Stop the Spread of Coronavirus?
Yes 36 13%
Mostly 36 13%
Don't Know 25 9%
Barely 32 12%
No 74 28%
We Need to Bring Back WW2-Style Rationing so That Everyone Gets Equal and Guaranteed Access to Toilet Paper 64 24%

Should Dominic Cummings resign?
Yes 48 63%
No, but he should apologise for his error of judgement 7 9%
No, and no apology needed; he acted legally and responsibly 4 5%
Undecided 4 5%
Can I drive to Barnard Castle before I vote in the poll? 13 17%

Protesters Pulled Down a Statue of Slave Trader Edward Colston, Do You Agree With Their Actions?
Yes 75 43%
No 72 41%
Yes, as long as it is replaced with a statue of David Hasselhoff. 28 16%

Were the Pubs Allowed to Reopen Too Soon?
Yes 37 66%
No 10 18%
Don't Know 4 7%
Enact Prohibition 5 9%

Should the UK Take a Harder Line Against Russia on the Basis of the ISC Report?
Yes 56 67%
No 14 17%
No *vote amended by GRU* 13 16%

Will the UK Ever Rejoin the EU?
Yes 32 37%
No 55 63%

Have you downloaded an NHS test and trace app?
Yes 16 24%
No, but I'm not opposed to doing so 23 34%
No, and I refuse to as a matter of principle 16 24%
Irrelevant; I don't own a smartphone 13 19%

How likely is a UK trade deal with the EU before the end of the transition period?
A certainty 2 1%
Very likely 4 3%
Likely 16 11%
Too close to call 26 18%
Unlikely 43 30%
Very unlikely 14 10%
Isn't going to happen 37 26%

Are you happy with the provisions of the trade deal with the EU?
Completely 12 7%
Somewhat 37 22%
Indifferent 38 23%
Not really 33 20%
Absolutely not 46 28%

Will Sturgeon Survive?
Yes, totally vindicated 23 21%
No, the dirty secrets are all exposed and her position is untenable 10 9%
Very wounded, but yes she will survive 27 25%
Very wounded, and leave soon but not immediately 9 8%
*Sips whisky, just revelling in the mess* 28 25%
Only if the Caspian Sea countries stop overfishing for caviar 13 12%

UK General Election 2021: who will you vote for? (April Fools poll)
Alba But Pronounced Properly Party 2 6%
Birthday Party 4 11%
Communist Party of Scotland 3 8%
CUK 1 3%
Monster Raving Loony Party 11 31%
REFUK 0 No votes
The Hasselhoff Party 3 8%
The Northern People's Front 1 3%
The People's Front of the North 3 8%
Whig Party 8 22%

Who would you / will you vote for in the Scottish Parliament election?
SNP: 26%
Conservative Party: 16%
Labour Party: 20%
Liberal Democrats: 12%
Scottish Greens: 9%
Mispronounced Alba Party: 2%
Reform UK: 8%
Other: 8%

Should the North of England Become Independent?
Yes - A United Independent North/Neo-Northumbria: 15%
Yes - But only the North East and Cumbria: 7%
No - The North should unite with an Independent Scotland: 14%
No - Keep the UK One Country: 29%
Declare David Hasselhoff the Lord Protector and Warden of the North: 36%

Who will/would you vote for in the London Assembly Election
Labour Party: 13 = 30%
Conservative and Unionist Party: 6 = 14%
Liberal Democrats: 7 = 16%
Green Party: 5 = 12%
Reform Party: 4 = 9%
Other: 8 = 19%

Who will/would you vote for in the Welsh Senedd election
Labour Party: 5 = 28%
Plaid Cymru: 7 = 39%
Conservative and Unionist Party: 0 = 0%
UKIP: 0 = 0%
Liberal Democrat Party: 2 = 11%
Abolish the Welsh Assembly: 2 = 11%
Propel: 0 = 0%
Green Party: 1 = 6%
Reform UK: 0 = 0%
Other: 1 = 6%

Which party do you hope will gain the most in the local elections?
Labour Party: 19%
Conservative and Unionist Party: 23%
SNP/Plaid Cymru: 10%
Liberal Democrats: 12%
Green Party: 12%
Reform UK: 0%
Other: 6%
Count Binface: 19%
Total votes: 101.

What voting method should the UK HoC have?
First Past The Post: 11 = 17%
Two Round Voting: 1 = 2%
Single Runoff/Alternative Vote: 0 = 0%
D'Hondt method: 4 = 6%
Single Transferable Vote: 16 = 25%
Mixed-Member Proportional Representation: 27 = 43%
Sortation/Lottery System: 4 = 6%

Will Cummings' leaks damage the Government?
Yes: 5 = 13%
Perhaps: 19 = 50%
No: 13 = 34%
Other: 1 = 3%

Will Priti Patel finally be removed as Home Secretary?
Yes: 0
No, but she'll have her powers curtailed: 1 = 5%
No: 19 = 90%
Other: 1 = 5%

predominates
European: 23 = 13%
British: 43 = 22%
Scottish: 7 = 4%
English: 25 = 13%
Welsh: 5 = 3%
Irish: 6 = 3%
Ulster/Northern Irish: 1 = 1%
Regional Identity (Yorkshire, Lancastrian, Londoner, etc): 17 = 9%
I'm a dirty foreigner: 63 = 33%

How many cases per day will we be at by July 19th?
1000 or less: 8 = 10%
1000-5000: 4 = 5%
5000-10,000: 5 = 6%
10,000-20,000: 4 = 5%
20,000-50,000: 10 = 12%
50,000-100,000: 10 = 12%
100,000+: 7 = 9%
THE ZOMBIES ARE COMING!: 33 = 44%

Do you believe the Afghan situation will affect the Tory Government's hold on power?
Strongly Agree: 21 = 14%
Agree: 17 = 11%
Undecided: 33 = 22%
Disagree: 57 = 38%
Strongly Disagree: 23 = 15%

The proposals to end the BBC licence fee agreement are:
An excellent idea; the socialists at the BBC have leeched off the British public for far too long: 48 = 18%
An idea I'm open to discussing, though I have reservations about the timing and the specifics: 15 = 6%
A bad idea as framed; I'm open to reform of BBC funding, but not like this, and not now: 28 = 11%
A terrible idea that the government is using to advance a cynical culture war agenda to save Johnson's skin: 80 = 30%
I have an altar to Sir David Attenborough in my living room and have watched every episode of Dr Who: 25 = 9%
Wait... you Brits actually have to pay for a TV licence?: 68 = 26%


I will try and update the poll results as best i can as i think we are missing a few from the last thread.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon May 23, 2022 1:40 am

Carrying over from the last thread:

Celritannia wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:I was referring to the Normans though? We don't speak French. The Irish have no excuse.


The Norman's didn't speak French either.


This is a misconception. The Normans did speak French by the time of the conquest. In the c.150 years between the formalisation of Norse settlement in what's now Normandy and the Norman invasion of England, the Normans almost completely acculturated themselves to the local language, to the extent that there are very few words in the Norman dialect of French which can be clearly traced to Norman influence. When the Normans invaded England, they then took Norman French with them. This had a dual influence, creolising Norman French into Anglo-Norman (which to this day is still used in some contexts in Parliament as a bill works its way to Royal Assent), and creolising Old English into Middle English.

In time the English ruling class of Norman descent linguistically acculturated to use of English, but in contrast to their rapid adoption of French in Normandy, they adopted a Middle English that had - over the course of a couple of centuries - been transformed by the influence of Norman French.

I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a quick NSG post, of course, but that'll do as a rapid two-paragraph outline.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2022 2:06 am

If Lib-Lab Pact on current polls:

LAB: 393
CON: 101
LIB: 71
GRN: 17
SNP: 48
PCM: 2

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blo ... 20523.html

Dewit. Then Labour's right wing can do some theatrical "uWu Party too left wing" nonsense and go join the Liberals to make them the 2nd biggest party. We could lose 31 MPs and still have a working majority. Dewit.

The question assumed that there was an electoral pact between Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green party throughout England and Wales. It was also assumed that the pact did not apply in Scotland, and that Plaid Cymru were not included.


;_;
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 23, 2022 4:52 am

Heloin wrote:There will be no more cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick in the Irish controlled UK politics thread.

*William Ulsterman intensifies*

Chan Island wrote:#JusticeForThoseLast4Pages

Never again will British politics be the same.
The last four pages had to be sacrificed to get brexit done.

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Yes but like a car it has a continuously depreciating value the moment you sign.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 23, 2022 4:57 am

Alright i was thinking for the first poll it could be about the two upcoming by-elections in England since we are one month away from them. Those by-elections are in Wakefield and Tiverton and Honiton, both Conservative won seats at the last election in 2019, with Wakefield being a gain from the Labour party by only a few thousand votes and Tiverton and Honiton being a lot more secure with a majority hold of near 25k votes.
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Wait, you forgot the thread quote in the OP:

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Celritannia wrote:Wait, you forgot the thread quote in the OP:

“This thread is just a place for foreigners who hate Britain and self-hating British lefties to shit all over the UK.”
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lol ill add it
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The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.
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The Archregimancy wrote:Carrying over from the last thread:

Celritannia wrote:
The Norman's didn't speak French either.


This is a misconception. The Normans did speak French by the time of the conquest. In the c.150 years between the formalisation of Norse settlement in what's now Normandy and the Norman invasion of England, the Normans almost completely acculturated themselves to the local language, to the extent that there are very few words in the Norman dialect of French which can be clearly traced to Norman influence. When the Normans invaded England, they then took Norman French with them. This had a dual influence, creolising Norman French into Anglo-Norman (which to this day is still used in some contexts in Parliament as a bill works its way to Royal Assent), and creolising Old English into Middle English.

In time the English ruling class of Norman descent linguistically acculturated to use of English, but in contrast to their rapid adoption of French in Normandy, they adopted a Middle English that had - over the course of a couple of centuries - been transformed by the influence of Norman French.

I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a quick NSG post, of course, but that'll do as a rapid two-paragraph outline.


See, I always assumed Norman French, or even the Feench language at the time was still vastly different to modern French, especially since France had a good number of romance languages that each region spoke until the adoption of metropolitan French as the primary language nunder Napoleon.

Ah well, I was mistaken. No matter.

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Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.


Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.
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Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

Just like how they won Wingrove in the local elections *nods*
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Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.


You see, it's when you say slightly silly things like this that you sometimes convince some people that you might be a parody account.

I'm sure the NIP will be just as successful in Wakefield as they were in Wingrove.

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Shrillland wrote:Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne) election result:

Labour HOLD.

Lab: 62.7% (-3.1)
Grn: 13.5% (+2.8 )
Con: 10.7% (-1.2)
NIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
LDem: 6.4% (-5.1)

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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Mon May 23, 2022 5:13 am

Celritannia wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.


Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

We're already in Yorkshire. Hundreds of Yorkshirepeople have joined the party as members. Half of our candidates in the local elections stood in, you guessed it, Yorkshire. In our internal polls we're already at the 15-20% mark, and from there we can easily win with a good campaign.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon May 23, 2022 5:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:If Lib-Lab Pact on current polls:

LAB: 393
CON: 101
LIB: 71
GRN: 17
SNP: 48
PCM: 2

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blo ... 20523.html

Dewit. Then Labour's right wing can do some theatrical "uWu Party too left wing" nonsense and go join the Liberals to make them the 2nd biggest party. We could lose 31 MPs and still have a working majority. Dewit.

The question assumed that there was an electoral pact between Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green party throughout England and Wales. It was also assumed that the pact did not apply in Scotland, and that Plaid Cymru were not included.


;_;


A pact is the mathematical imperative according to the electoral system. Its pure tribal pride that stops one from coming into being.

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Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

We're already in Yorkshire. Hundreds of Yorkshirepeople have joined the party as members. Half of our candidates in the local elections stood in, you guessed it, Yorkshire. In our internal polls we're already at the 15-20% mark, and from there we can easily win with a good campaign.


I'll believe it when I see it. In the voting results.

I'm sure it'll be as complete a victory as Wingrove was.
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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Mon May 23, 2022 5:17 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.


You see, it's when you say slightly silly things like this that you sometimes convince some people that you might be a parody account.

I'm sure the NIP will be just as successful in Wakefield as they were in Wingrove.

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The Northern Independence Party will win Wingrove, mark my words.


Shrillland wrote:Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne) election result:

Labour HOLD.

Lab: 62.7% (-3.1)
Grn: 13.5% (+2.8 )
Con: 10.7% (-1.2)
NIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
LDem: 6.4% (-5.1)

We didn't have polls in Wingrove, I was going from responses canvassing. We have polls in Wakefield. And, need I remind you, we beat the Lib Dems.
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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 23, 2022 5:18 am

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon May 23, 2022 5:19 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Carrying over from the last thread:



This is a misconception. The Normans did speak French by the time of the conquest. In the c.150 years between the formalisation of Norse settlement in what's now Normandy and the Norman invasion of England, the Normans almost completely acculturated themselves to the local language, to the extent that there are very few words in the Norman dialect of French which can be clearly traced to Norman influence. When the Normans invaded England, they then took Norman French with them. This had a dual influence, creolising Norman French into Anglo-Norman (which to this day is still used in some contexts in Parliament as a bill works its way to Royal Assent), and creolising Old English into Middle English.

In time the English ruling class of Norman descent linguistically acculturated to use of English, but in contrast to their rapid adoption of French in Normandy, they adopted a Middle English that had - over the course of a couple of centuries - been transformed by the influence of Norman French.

I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a quick NSG post, of course, but that'll do as a rapid two-paragraph outline.


See, I always assumed Norman French, or even the Feench language at the time was still vastly different to modern French, especially since France had a good number of romance languages that each region spoke until the adoption of metropolitan French as the primary language nunder Napoleon.

Ah well, I was mistaken. No matter.


Well, medieval French was different from modern French, and you're not wrong to note that pre-modern French was often a dialect spectrum rather than a single state-defined national language - that would only come with the French Revolution. So your starting point isn't irrational.

But Norman French is still recognisably French, even if a medieval regional dialect thereof. And literary French arguably changed less from the beginning of the 11th century to the present than English did.

If anyone who's moderately competent in French wants to put that point to the test, here's a link to the original Old French text of the Song of Roland.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon May 23, 2022 5:22 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

We're already in Yorkshire. Hundreds of Yorkshirepeople have joined the party as members. Half of our candidates in the local elections stood in, you guessed it, Yorkshire. In our internal polls we're already at the 15-20% mark, and from there we can easily win with a good campaign.


Yes, and Yorkshire doesn't want to be part of an independent North.

Yorkshire wants a devolved Parliament, promoted by the Yorkshire Party (who have 8 local councillors).

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon May 23, 2022 5:23 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:And, need I remind you, we beat the Lib Dems.


You did indeed.

But then I never ran around confidently claiming that the LibDems were going to win Wingrove, and I'm certainly not stupid enough to claim that the LibDems are going to win Wakefield; so I'm not sure why that's germane to pointing out that your confident predictions of victory in the upcoming by-election are just a little bit silly.

Perhaps you're planning on running Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel?

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