UK Politics Thread X: Upcoming Local Elections in May

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Sun May 22, 2022 9:16 pm

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― Old Tyrannia

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Bout ye, this is the latest edition of the UK Politics Thread, now OP'd by yours truly. No big grand intro, just behave yourselves and be civil, lest the wrath of the mods descend upon us. Made with the go ahead by Celritannia, the last op

I will try and update the poll results as best i can as i think we are missing a few from the last thread.

by **FNU** » Sun May 22, 2022 9:19 pm

Gotta love that new thread smell

by **Adamede** » Sun May 22, 2022 9:21 pm

FNU wrote:Gotta love that new thread smell

Yes but like a car it has a continuously depreciating value the moment you sign.

by **Heloin** » Sun May 22, 2022 10:57 pm

There will be no more cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick in the Irish controlled UK politics thread.

by **Chan Island** » Mon May 23, 2022 1:25 am

#JusticeForThoseLast4Pages

Never again will British politics be the same.

by **Catalonia 2070 RP** » Mon May 23, 2022 1:29 am

6th, but I dunno British politics so bye

by **The Archregimancy** » Mon May 23, 2022 1:40 am

Carrying over from the last thread:

Celritannia wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:I was referring to the Normans though? We don't speak French. The Irish have no excuse.

The Norman's didn't speak French either.

This is a misconception. The Normans did speak French by the time of the conquest. In the c.150 years between the formalisation of Norse settlement in what's now Normandy and the Norman invasion of England, the Normans almost completely acculturated themselves to the local language, to the extent that there are very few words in the Norman dialect of French which can be clearly traced to Norman influence. When the Normans invaded England, they then took Norman French with them. This had a dual influence, creolising Norman French into Anglo-Norman (which to this day is still used in some contexts in Parliament as a bill works its way to Royal Assent), and creolising Old English into Middle English.

In time the English ruling class of Norman descent linguistically acculturated to use of English, but in contrast to their rapid adoption of French in Normandy, they adopted a Middle English that had - over the course of a couple of centuries - been transformed by the influence of Norman French.

I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a quick NSG post, of course, but that'll do as a rapid two-paragraph outline.

by **Ostroeuropa** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:06 am

If Lib-Lab Pact on current polls:

LAB: 393
CON: 101
LIB: 71
GRN: 17
SNP: 48
PCM: 2

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blo ... 20523.html

Dewit. Then Labour's right wing can do some theatrical "uWu Party too left wing" nonsense and go join the Liberals to make them the 2nd biggest party. We could lose 31 MPs and still have a working majority. Dewit.

The question assumed that there was an electoral pact between Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green party throughout England and Wales. It was also assumed that the pact did not apply in Scotland, and that Plaid Cymru were not included.

;_;

by **-Astoria-** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:01 am

Mmm, new thread smell.

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:52 am

Heloin wrote:There will be no more cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick in the Irish controlled UK politics thread.

*William Ulsterman intensifies*

Chan Island wrote:#JusticeForThoseLast4Pages

Never again will British politics be the same.

The last four pages had to be sacrificed to get brexit done.

Adamede wrote:
FNU wrote:Gotta love that new thread smell

Yes but like a car it has a continuously depreciating value the moment you sign.

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:57 am

Alright i was thinking for the first poll it could be about the two upcoming by-elections in England since we are one month away from them. Those by-elections are in Wakefield and Tiverton and Honiton, both Conservative won seats at the last election in 2019, with Wakefield being a gain from the Labour party by only a few thousand votes and Tiverton and Honiton being a lot more secure with a majority hold of near 25k votes.

by **Celritannia** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:03 am

Wait, you forgot the thread quote in the OP:

“This thread is just a place for foreigners who hate Britain and self-hating British lefties to shit all over the UK.”
― Old Tyrannia

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:03 am

Celritannia wrote:Wait, you forgot the thread quote in the OP:

“This thread is just a place for foreigners who hate Britain and self-hating British lefties to shit all over the UK.”
― Old Tyrannia

lol ill add it

by **Nationalist Northumbria** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:03 am

The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

by **Celritannia** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:08 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Carrying over from the last thread:

Celritannia wrote:
The Norman's didn't speak French either.

This is a misconception. The Normans did speak French by the time of the conquest. In the c.150 years between the formalisation of Norse settlement in what's now Normandy and the Norman invasion of England, the Normans almost completely acculturated themselves to the local language, to the extent that there are very few words in the Norman dialect of French which can be clearly traced to Norman influence. When the Normans invaded England, they then took Norman French with them. This had a dual influence, creolising Norman French into Anglo-Norman (which to this day is still used in some contexts in Parliament as a bill works its way to Royal Assent), and creolising Old English into Middle English.

In time the English ruling class of Norman descent linguistically acculturated to use of English, but in contrast to their rapid adoption of French in Normandy, they adopted a Middle English that had - over the course of a couple of centuries - been transformed by the influence of Norman French.

I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a quick NSG post, of course, but that'll do as a rapid two-paragraph outline.

See, I always assumed Norman French, or even the Feench language at the time was still vastly different to modern French, especially since France had a good number of romance languages that each region spoke until the adoption of metropolitan French as the primary language nunder Napoleon.

Ah well, I was mistaken. No matter.

by **Celritannia** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:09 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:10 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

Just like how they won Wingrove in the local elections *nods*

by **The Archregimancy** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:13 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

You see, it's when you say slightly silly things like this that you sometimes convince some people that you might be a parody account.

I'm sure the NIP will be just as successful in Wakefield as they were in Wingrove.

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The Northern Independence Party will win Wingrove, mark my words.

Shrillland wrote:Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne) election result:

Labour HOLD.

Lab: 62.7% (-3.1)
Grn: 13.5% (+2.8 )
Con: 10.7% (-1.2)
NIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
LDem: 6.4% (-5.1)

by **Nationalist Northumbria** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:13 am

Celritannia wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

We're already in Yorkshire. Hundreds of Yorkshirepeople have joined the party as members. Half of our candidates in the local elections stood in, you guessed it, Yorkshire. In our internal polls we're already at the 15-20% mark, and from there we can easily win with a good campaign.

by **Chan Island** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:If Lib-Lab Pact on current polls:

LAB: 393
CON: 101
LIB: 71
GRN: 17
SNP: 48
PCM: 2

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blo ... 20523.html

Dewit. Then Labour's right wing can do some theatrical "uWu Party too left wing" nonsense and go join the Liberals to make them the 2nd biggest party. We could lose 31 MPs and still have a working majority. Dewit.

The question assumed that there was an electoral pact between Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green party throughout England and Wales. It was also assumed that the pact did not apply in Scotland, and that Plaid Cymru were not included.

;_;

A pact is the mathematical imperative according to the electoral system. Its pure tribal pride that stops one from coming into being.

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

We're already in Yorkshire. Hundreds of Yorkshirepeople have joined the party as members. Half of our candidates in the local elections stood in, you guessed it, Yorkshire. In our internal polls we're already at the 15-20% mark, and from there we can easily win with a good campaign.

I'll believe it when I see it. In the voting results.

I'm sure it'll be as complete a victory as Wingrove was.

by **Nationalist Northumbria** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:17 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The NIP will gain Wakefield. We're putting forward a strong local candidate who's previously been an MP, but I can't tell you anything more at the moment.

You see, it's when you say slightly silly things like this that you sometimes convince some people that you might be a parody account.

I'm sure the NIP will be just as successful in Wakefield as they were in Wingrove.

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The Northern Independence Party will win Wingrove, mark my words.

Shrillland wrote:Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne) election result:

Labour HOLD.

Lab: 62.7% (-3.1)
Grn: 13.5% (+2.8 )
Con: 10.7% (-1.2)
NIP: 6.7% (+6.7)
LDem: 6.4% (-5.1)

We didn't have polls in Wingrove, I was going from responses canvassing. We have polls in Wakefield. And, need I remind you, we beat the Lib Dems.

by **Hukhalia** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:18 am

When people seriously interact with the obvious meme account

by **The Archregimancy** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:19 am

Celritannia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Carrying over from the last thread:

This is a misconception. The Normans did speak French by the time of the conquest. In the c.150 years between the formalisation of Norse settlement in what's now Normandy and the Norman invasion of England, the Normans almost completely acculturated themselves to the local language, to the extent that there are very few words in the Norman dialect of French which can be clearly traced to Norman influence. When the Normans invaded England, they then took Norman French with them. This had a dual influence, creolising Norman French into Anglo-Norman (which to this day is still used in some contexts in Parliament as a bill works its way to Royal Assent), and creolising Old English into Middle English.

In time the English ruling class of Norman descent linguistically acculturated to use of English, but in contrast to their rapid adoption of French in Normandy, they adopted a Middle English that had - over the course of a couple of centuries - been transformed by the influence of Norman French.

I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a quick NSG post, of course, but that'll do as a rapid two-paragraph outline.

See, I always assumed Norman French, or even the Feench language at the time was still vastly different to modern French, especially since France had a good number of romance languages that each region spoke until the adoption of metropolitan French as the primary language nunder Napoleon.

Ah well, I was mistaken. No matter.

Well, medieval French was different from modern French, and you're not wrong to note that pre-modern French was often a dialect spectrum rather than a single state-defined national language - that would only come with the French Revolution. So your starting point isn't irrational.

But Norman French is still recognisably French, even if a medieval regional dialect thereof. And literary French arguably changed less from the beginning of the 11th century to the present than English did.

If anyone who's moderately competent in French wants to put that point to the test, here's a link to the original Old French text of the Song of Roland.

by **Celritannia** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:22 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Pahaha.

No they won't.
Keep your silly party out of Yorkshire.

We're already in Yorkshire. Hundreds of Yorkshirepeople have joined the party as members. Half of our candidates in the local elections stood in, you guessed it, Yorkshire. In our internal polls we're already at the 15-20% mark, and from there we can easily win with a good campaign.

Yes, and Yorkshire doesn't want to be part of an independent North.

Yorkshire wants a devolved Parliament, promoted by the Yorkshire Party (who have 8 local councillors).

by **The Archregimancy** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:23 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:And, need I remind you, we beat the Lib Dems.

You did indeed.

But then I never ran around confidently claiming that the LibDems were going to win Wingrove, and I'm certainly not stupid enough to claim that the LibDems are going to win Wakefield; so I'm not sure why that's germane to pointing out that your confident predictions of victory in the upcoming by-election are just a little bit silly.

Perhaps you're planning on running Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel?

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