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Postby Utquiagvik » Sun May 15, 2022 5:09 am

Yesterday, 10 people were killed when an 18-year old man opened fire in a supermarket in Buffalo, New York. The attack was likely fueled by racism.
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Postby Aymes » Sun May 15, 2022 5:30 am

I have already seen people using the shooting to score political points, which is annoying.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun May 15, 2022 5:35 am

Aymes wrote:I have already seen people using the shooting to score political points, which is annoying.


Because it’s not like the shooter published a politically charged manifesto or anything.

Thoughts and prayers only.
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Postby Bendicion » Sun May 15, 2022 5:40 am

Completely unrelated, I had to reread the title because I first thought it meant Buffalo, like the bison animal ones, were the ones shot in New York. It took me a second to remember there is a city in New York State called Buffalo. My bad.

Other than that, very sad to see these things keep happening.
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Postby Royal Frankia » Sun May 15, 2022 5:41 am

He should be executed, immediately and publicly. If they think they can get star status and celeb status, let them know what awaits them.
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Postby Aymes » Sun May 15, 2022 5:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aymes wrote:I have already seen people using the shooting to score political points, which is annoying.


Because it’s not like the shooter published a politically charged manifesto or anything.

Thoughts and prayers only.

I didn’t say the shooter had used it to score political points, I said that others had.

Royal Frankia wrote:He should be executed, and not in a humane way.

I’m in favor of the death penalty, but don’t say such ridiculous things.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun May 15, 2022 5:50 am

Aymes wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because it’s not like the shooter published a politically charged manifesto or anything.

Thoughts and prayers only.

I didn’t say the shooter had used it to score political points, I said that others had.

Royal Frankia wrote:He should be executed, and not in a humane way.

I’m in favor of the death penalty, but don’t say such ridiculous things.


So we have a politically charged incident but how dare people say political things about it when they should be offering insincere thoughts and prayers only.
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Postby Kanadorika » Sun May 15, 2022 5:51 am

Maybe if the whole great replacement nonsense was true we would have less white mass shooters as time goes on.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 15, 2022 5:54 am

How about we not discuss how to torture an individual.
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Postby Royal Frankia » Sun May 15, 2022 5:58 am

Neutraligon wrote:How about we not discuss how to torture an individual.


Sorry, I don't have a filter when it comes to such extreme cases of inhumanity to one's fellow man, my bad. Killer left behind loads of anguish for many, many people who lost their loved ones over skin pigmentation.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun May 15, 2022 6:07 am

Aymes wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because it’s not like the shooter published a politically charged manifesto or anything.

Thoughts and prayers only.

I didn’t say the shooter had used it to score political points, I said that others had.


Well, yes. If a shooter is literally citing prominent people of a certain political affiliation as the inspiration for this action, people are going to mention that.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun May 15, 2022 6:09 am

Kanadorika wrote:Maybe if the whole great replacement nonsense was true we would have less white mass shooters as time goes on.


But perhaps we have an opportunity here.

Can the local republicans please explain why they believe what this person did is wrong; despite his actions being logical if one truly believes republican rhetoric?
It will help bring nuance to a dichotomic world.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 15, 2022 6:22 am

Aymes wrote:I have already seen people using the shooting to score political points, which is annoying.

One of the candidates for Governor did and it was despicable.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 15, 2022 6:23 am

Royal Frankia wrote:He should be executed, immediately and publicly. If they think they can get star status and celeb status, let them know what awaits them.

New York does not have the death penalty.

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Postby Royal Frankia » Sun May 15, 2022 6:28 am

"Can the local republicans please explain why they believe what this person did is wrong; despite his actions being logical if one truly believes republican rhetoric?"

He took the lives of innocent people over skin pigmentation, as a Bernie supporter tried to do with Republican Congressmen over political ideology. Extremists can easily convince themselves they can solve all their problems with bloodshed, be they on the Left or the Right.

Most of the shooter's viewpoints are extreme and go against official dogma within the GOP. Many leading GOP Congressmen are African American, after all. Try squaring antisemitism with the pro-Israel stance of Evangelical Christians that are largely Trump supporters.

I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I'm apolitical by and large.


"Does not have the death penalty."

A great shame, maybe the feds will get involved as this should be classified as an act of domestic terrorism given his motivation. Timothy McVeigh was executed within 6 years of the OKC bombing, so that might play out here.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun May 15, 2022 6:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Aymes wrote:I have already seen people using the shooting to score political points, which is annoying.

One of the candidates for Governor did and it was despicable.


And how did they go about "scoring political points"?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun May 15, 2022 6:29 am

Royal Frankia wrote:Many leading GOP Congressmen are African American, after all.


Remember, tokenism magically makes the GOP not racist.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 15, 2022 6:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:One of the candidates for Governor did and it was despicable.


And how did they go about "scoring political points"?

Congressman Suozzi said this happened because Governor Hochul won’t make fighting crime a priority.
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Postby Aymes » Sun May 15, 2022 6:33 am

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:One of the candidates for Governor did and it was despicable.


And how did they go about "scoring political points"?

I saw people scoring points against police.

They were saying that he gunman was detained (instead of shot dead) because he was white.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun May 15, 2022 6:34 am

Aymes wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And how did they go about "scoring political points"?

I saw people scoring points against police.

They were saying that he gunman was detained (instead of shot dead) because he was white.


Remember it's just a coincidence that a black guy with a gun is more likely to be shot dead than a white guy with a gun.
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Postby Royal Frankia » Sun May 15, 2022 6:35 am

"Remember, tokenism magically makes the GOP not racist."

Yeah, I don't think black conservatives take kindly to being called "tokens". There's more to make someone vote for a political party than just their skin pigment.

None of the mainstream political parties support racism, even though there are undoubtedly racists in both parties.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun May 15, 2022 6:38 am

Royal Frankia wrote:"Remember, tokenism magically makes the GOP not racist."

Yeah, I don't think black conservatives take kindly to being called "tokens". There's more to make someone vote for a political party than just their skin pigment.

None of the mainstream political parties support racism, even though there are undoubtedly racists in both parties.


-looks at the GOP's anti-immigration rhetoric-

-looks at the GOP rhetoric around welfare-
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Postby Royal Frankia » Sun May 15, 2022 6:38 am

"Remember it's just a coincidence that a black guy with a gun is more likely to be shot dead than a white guy with a gun."

It's shameful, but even individuals like this who cooperate with law enforcement will come off without a scratch. You can look at cam footage and note that certain individuals respond to law enforcement differently. The dudes who robbed those banks with AK-47s both wound up dead, even when given multiple chances to surrender and shooting multiple officers.

"-looks at the GOP's anti-immigration rhetoric-

-looks at the GOP rhetoric around welfare"

The anti-immigration is due to present laws on the books, with the notion of the GOP favoring the letter of the law. This is also economic, as wages can be driven down for citizens if there is increased competition from immigrants. You have many individuals who are Hispanic that support the enforcement of immigration law due to this factor. I'm pro-immigration as I regard immigration as beneficial, for the most part.

Welfare itself is based on whether or not you think the state should possess policies that assist x. You have issues with the welfare programs at present, notably abuse and certain aspects of welfare that impact all races.


You can lean towards one party and not share all of its views. Look at Blue Dog Democrats and those that are pro-Life that support social programs.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Sun May 15, 2022 7:13 am

I just want to say I strongly condemn this attack and this person represents the kind of suicidal veneration and hopelessness that is the very most rotten part of this particular identity movement. I've read pieces of the shooter's manifesto and this is clearly someone without any character looking to attach to some kind of collective ideal to give himself some sense of self worth, as many often do in ideologies. He parrots popular authoritarian memes and seems to have very little personality on his own and most likely wants attention and appraise. I humbly implore everyone to exercise restraint on stereotyping large swaths of people based on the regrettable actions of a few. Just like the recent racially motivated attack committed by a Black Nationalist on a Brooklyn subway shows, there are people of every stripe of ideology that commit violence and we should be cautious about giving disproportionate attention to only 1 group, lest we wish to foster even greater resentment among the affected.

Condolences to the victims and I staunchly oppose this worthless expression of hostility.

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