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[Draft] OverPopulation

Postby Chinese USSR » Sat May 14, 2022 6:58 pm

The Nations of the World Assembly,

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;

BELIEVING that OverPopulation is dangerous and will lead to nations bringing war upon the world simply for more living space;

FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

Article A. General


1a. Nations yearly are required to record the increase in population

2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.

Article B: Homes

1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

2b. Nations rework building requirements and suggestions in order for 1b to take place.


3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.

Article C: School Education

1c. Nations have the choice to teach students about how to prevent pregnancy in school

2c. Nations also have the choice as to if they will teach Sex Ed.

These articles ENCOURAGE you to follow them and to be careful with your own Overpopulation.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 14, 2022 6:59 pm

Opposed due to Articles 2a and 3b.
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Postby Chipoli » Sat May 14, 2022 7:12 pm

Chinese USSR wrote:The Nations of the World Assembly,

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;

BELIEVING that OverPopulation is dangerous and will lead to nations bringing war upon the world simply for more living space;

FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

Article A. General


1a. Nations yearly are required to record the increase in population

2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.

Article B: Homes

1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

2b. Nations rework building requirements and suggestions in order for 1b to take place.


3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.

Article C: School Education

1c. Nations have the choice to teach students about how to prevent pregnancy in school

2c. Nations also have the choice as to if they will teach Sex Ed.

These articles ENCOURAGE you to follow them and to be careful with your own Overpopulation.


Chipoli opposes in principle due especially due to clause 2a.

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Postby Chinese USSR » Sat May 14, 2022 7:38 pm

The Nations of the World Assembly,

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;

BELIEVING that OverPopulation is dangerous and will lead to nations bringing war upon the world simply for more living space;

FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

Article A. General


1a. Nations yearly are required to record the increase in population

2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.
Nations are required to number children (ex: Person #1,234,567) in order to keep a very close count on the current population.

Article B: Homes

1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

2b. Nations rework building requirements and suggestions in order for 1b to take place.


3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.
Nations are required to designate certain areas for residential, farming, and energy producing. They also have to follow through with these plans (Reworded)


Article C: School Education

1c. Nations have the choice to teach students about how to prevent pregnancy in school

2c. Nations also have the choice as to if they will teach Sex Ed.

These articles ENCOURAGE you to follow them and to be careful with your own Overpopulation.[/quote]
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Postby Morover » Sat May 14, 2022 7:45 pm

"Morover is opposed to any measures to cap population. The current global average for the population replacement fertility rate is 2.3, meaning that, on average, this proposal would not even allow for populations to even remain constant. You're dooming World Assembly nations to decline in population for as long as a measure such as this is in place. In Morover, we have been struggling to increase the fertility rate for quite some time, as the population has continued to dwindle over the years. We condemn even the effort to impose such legislation."

EDIT: I see you sniped my response but I still remain opposed.
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Postby Aredita » Sat May 14, 2022 7:53 pm

Opposed to 2a. The exact population can be determined through censuses. It's unnecessary for children to be named with a numeral.
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Postby Independent Cossack Ukraine » Sat May 14, 2022 7:58 pm

Opposed to all of areas 1 and 2 staunchly. It bears a disturbing resemblance to the PRC's One Child Policy/Two Child Policy. Independent Cossack Ukraine cannot support such a measure.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat May 14, 2022 8:33 pm

Not something the WA should legislate. Individual nations can dictate their own policy regarding fertility and demographic issues.
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Postby Ardiveds » Sun May 15, 2022 1:05 am

Chinese USSR wrote:
2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.


"Opposed."
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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Sun May 15, 2022 5:03 am

Chinese USSR wrote:The Nations of the World Assembly,

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;

BELIEVING that OverPopulation is dangerous and will lead to nations bringing war upon the world simply for more living space;

FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

Article A. General


1a. Nations yearly are required to record the increase in population

2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.
Nations are required to number children (ex: Person #1,234,567) in order to keep a very close count on the current population.

Article B: Homes

1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

2b. Nations rework building requirements and suggestions in order for 1b to take place.


3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.
Nations are required to designate certain areas for residential, farming, and energy producing. They also have to follow through with these plans (Reworded)


Article C: School Education

1c. Nations have the choice to teach students about how to prevent pregnancy in school

2c. Nations also have the choice as to if they will teach Sex Ed.

These articles ENCOURAGE you to follow them and to be careful with your own Overpopulation.
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“Ambassador, I have two major complaints. First, clause 1b is not viable. As more homes will have to be built whenever people move to new cities, the skyscrapers will only get taller to the point that they collapse, killing many people. Second, Article C completely undermines the primary purpose of school, which is to expand the professional knowledge of students and prepare them for professional jobs(e.g.: the arts, science, business, etc), not to make them compliant with birth control laws. Thus, this proposal is completely unviable for the younger members of the population and the remaining multiversal population.”
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Postby Communist Beijing Must be China » Sun May 15, 2022 5:12 am

2a is unviable, because how are they gonna know the current population?

1b is also unviable, as AOC has stated beforehand.

Since 1b is unviable, so is 2b.

Article C has no purpose to exist. Children would not need to be told in their faces every single day at school that they should avoid pregnancy and related things.

Thus, I oppose this, as the majority of the others have done.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun May 15, 2022 5:17 am

What about people who already have 3 kids? Do they have to kill the youngest?
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Postby Makko Oko » Sun May 15, 2022 5:50 am

"This resolution needs to take a serious u-turn for us to consider supporting it, but in its current state, we're strictly OPPOSED to it. We think this resolution could potentially be viable if the meaning of the resolution were changed to instead promote population growth and then internationally illegalize contraceptives. We would 100% be in support of a resolution such as this."

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun May 15, 2022 5:51 pm

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;


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If you're talking about RL Earth's population then this is illegal as a RL Reference.
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Postby Communist Beijing Must be China » Sun May 15, 2022 6:46 pm

So either way this draft is illegal?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun May 15, 2022 8:05 pm

Communist Beijing Must be China wrote:So either way this draft is illegal?

I direct you to this quote by Bears Armed:
Bears Armed wrote:
NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;


OOC
If you're talking about RL Earth's population then this is illegal as a RL Reference.
If you're talking about population as determined by NS stats then this is illegal for Meta-gaming. [/one-sixth of GenSec]

Either way, they mention that the use of "world" is illegal in both circumstances.
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Postby Tralfamdore » Mon May 16, 2022 11:00 am

Chinese USSR wrote:The Nations of the World Assembly,

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;

BELIEVING that OverPopulation is dangerous and will lead to nations bringing war upon the world simply for more living space;

FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

Article A. General


1a. Nations yearly are required to record the increase in population

2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.

Article B: Homes

1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

2b. Nations rework building requirements and suggestions in order for 1b to take place.


3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.

Article C: School Education

1c. Nations have the choice to teach students about how to prevent pregnancy in school

2c. Nations also have the choice as to if they will teach Sex Ed.

These articles ENCOURAGE you to follow them and to be careful with your own Overpopulation.

Tralfamdore is greatly opposed to this act, not only due to its blatent illegality, but also clauses 2a. and 1c as if your complaining about overpopulation, than you should be for compulsory sex ed and pregnancy prevention education

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Tue May 17, 2022 8:44 am

Chinese USSR wrote:NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed

Change that to "Acknowledging the exponential nature of uncontrolled population growth.", this prevents any objection from nations whose populations are not skyrocketing.

Chinese USSR wrote:FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

I would remove most of these lines and replace it with "Concerned that mass conflicts over resources will eventually arise from demand fuelled by unsustainable population growth.".

You propose that each individual nation should expand their own bureaucracy to comply with not only enforcement of this legislation, but also record-keeping. You should take advantage of the allegedly infinite bureaucratic might of the WA and create yet another pointless WA office to enforce this legislation. I suggest you add the following clause: "Establishes the Bureau for the Restriction of Anticipated Population Surge, hereafter referred to as BRAPS, to carry out the following duties:", your clauses should be reworded such that BRAPS will be responsible for carrying out such duties or oversee and regulate duties that each individual nation is responsible for.

Chinese USSR wrote:1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

This is too Earth-centric, I would change this to "1b. Restrict the construction of housing deemed unsustainable by BRAPS; each individual housing project must be reviewed and approved by BRAPS on a case-by-case basis, due to indescribable differences in circumstance that are too broad to be covered by legislation." I suggest removing clause 2b altogether, since any existing national legislation is voided by conflicting GA legislation.

Chinese USSR wrote:3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.

This clause is also too Earth-centric. I suggest rewording that in a way that results in the same effect, but avoids mentioned Earth-specific zoning categories, something like "Require nations to designate all areas of low population density exclusively for food and energy production purposes." A clause like this doesn't need to explicitly mention the requirement for increasing density in urban and suburban areas; increased density is a consequence of having less land to build on.

Article C and anything after it are redundant, as they do not mandate nations to do anything. Either reword it or don't include it at all, personally I don't think it's particularly relevant to the rest of the proposal.

This proposal epitomises WA overreach and the pointless bureaucracy that it creates, but national sovereignty is a dead cause so if you can't beat them, join them. Godspeed with this proposal.
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Postby Hegvanigson » Tue May 17, 2022 11:01 am

Chinese USSR wrote:The Nations of the World Assembly,

NOTING that the population of the world has skyrocketed;

BELIEVING that OverPopulation is dangerous and will lead to nations bringing war upon the world simply for more living space;

FURTHER NOTING that world population is increasing at an alarming rate;

FURTHER BELIEVING the environment also can not handle the increase of population;

EVEN FURTHER NOTING that a mass war involving multiple countries will be painful for many other nations.

HOPING THAT THE BELOW ARTICLES WILL KEEP THE WORLD SAFE

Article A. General


1a. Nations yearly are required to record the increase in population

2a. Nations are required to enforce a 1-2 child maximum for parents.
Nations are required to number children (ex: Person #1,234,567) in order to keep a very close count on the current population.

Article B: Homes

1b. Instead of chopping down wooded areas to make more homes, it is suggested to build on top of pre-existing homes (meaning to build duplexes, skyscrapers, buildings that are similar to those listed)

2b. Nations rework building requirements and suggestions in order for 1b to take place.


3b. Instead of building homes in rural areas, All Nations are required to build all high population zones in Urban and Suburban areas, leaving rural areas to be used for Farming, and Energy Production.
Nations are required to designate certain areas for residential, farming, and energy producing. They also have to follow through with these plans (Reworded)


Article C: School Education

1c. Nations have the choice to teach students about how to prevent pregnancy in school

2c. Nations also have the choice as to if they will teach Sex Ed.

These articles ENCOURAGE you to follow them and to be careful with your own Overpopulation.

We Absolutely OPPOSE this draft.
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Postby Umbratellus » Tue May 17, 2022 1:09 pm

Central Asian Republics wrote:This clause is also too Earth-centric. I suggest rewording that in a way that results in the same effect, but avoids mentioned Earth-specific zoning categories, something like "Require nations to designate all areas of low population density exclusively for food and energy production purposes."

It would probably make more sense to switch to a broader "resource extraction and production purposes," as this would effectively outlaw all non-energy (coal, lithium, thorium, uranium, etc.) mining, logging, and other similar industries that are quite impractical to locate within urban environments; unless of course, outlawing the use of both wood and steel is a desired end of this resolution.
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Postby Makko Oko » Tue May 17, 2022 1:17 pm

Umbratellus wrote:
Central Asian Republics wrote:This clause is also too Earth-centric. I suggest rewording that in a way that results in the same effect, but avoids mentioned Earth-specific zoning categories, something like "Require nations to designate all areas of low population density exclusively for food and energy production purposes."

It would probably make more sense to switch to a broader "resource extraction and production purposes," as this would effectively outlaw all non-energy (coal, lithium, thorium, uranium, etc.) mining, logging, and other similar industries that are quite impractical to locate within urban environments; unless of course, outlawing the use of both wood and steel is a desired end of this resolution.


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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 17, 2022 1:22 pm

This body is not friendly to efforts to restrict reproductive freedom. I certainly am not. Scaremongering over overpopulation aside, I will never support the main thrust of this proposal and I have good reason to doubt it could ever pass at Vote.
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