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[DRAFT #3] Freedom of dress

Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 07, 2022 8:32 pm

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Freedom of dress
A resolution to improve worldwide human sapient and civil rights.
Category: Civil Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Tinhampton

Aware that clothing - as well as occasionally serving to express one's beliefs - can also sometimes function simply as items of personal convenience,

Condemning the various archaic policies on clothing (such as companies forbidding their female employees from wearing flat shoes or trousers) that continue to run rampant today in some member states, and

Resolving to prevent not only the imposition of restrictions on clothing which are obviously discriminatory, but also those which do not obviously seek to protect public order or public health...

The General Assembly hereby:
  1. forbids member states from imposing any restriction on what clothing any of their inhabitants may wear, except that they may impose restrictions which:
    1. are required by prior and standing international law, or future international law regarding hate speech,
    2. prohibit the wearing of clothing in a public place which conveys an illegal message or would otherwise grossly offend a typical person who regularly attends that place (such as clothing worn on a religious site which advocates for acts of genocide against adherents of that religion or expresses support for those who have committed such acts),
    3. provide for the covering of any part of its wearer's body that a reasonable member of their species would expect a great level of privacy in relation to, or anything naturally released by those body parts, in a public place,
    4. are necessary to preserve the health of its wearer or of the general public (such as requiring the wearing of hard hats, high-visibility jackets and steel-toed boots on construction sites), or
    5. are necessary to ensure that members of the general public do not wilfully impersonate on-duty members of militaries or national emergency services, and
  2. clarifies that:
    1. any employer in a member state may prescribe a uniform for their employees and any school in a member state may prescribe a uniform for its pupils, so long as their uniform codes do not forbid individuals from wearing, nor require individuals to wear, any item of clothing solely as a consequence of their possessing or not possessing an arbitrary and reductive characteristic, and that
    2. public places must not deny any person entry on account of their clothing, except to enforce those restrictions which the member state they are located in makes pursuant to Article a, which they may make pursuant to Articles a(ii-v), or (if they are an employer or a school) which they make pursuant to Article b(i).
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 07, 2022 8:33 pm

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Postby Fachumonn » Sun May 08, 2022 4:49 am

Opposed - how is this an international issue?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun May 08, 2022 5:26 am

Fachumonn wrote:Opposed - how is this an international issue?

My objective is the reduction of unnecessary bureaucracy, which I believe will serve great utility to many people in many member states.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun May 08, 2022 5:30 am

For. It is already a really good draft. However, what would this mean? The cancelation of the prudism policy for some nations?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun May 08, 2022 6:41 am

The Orwell Society wrote:For. It is already a really good draft. However, what would this mean? The cancelation of the prudism policy for some nations?

It is impossible for GA resolutions to affect the policies you get; only issue answering can do that. And thanks :P
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun May 08, 2022 7:09 am

Tinhampton wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:For. It is already a really good draft. However, what would this mean? The cancelation of the prudism policy for some nations?

It is impossible for GA resolutions to affect the policies you get; only issue answering can do that. And thanks :P

No problem. You're definitely one of the better proposal authors :p
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Postby Makko Oko » Sun May 08, 2022 7:37 am

"We in the Makko Okoan Government see very little that needs feedback in this resolution. While we don't officially condone WA meddling in any affair that regards our laws, we do feel that it is still a good resolution, even if we vote against it."

future international law regarding hate speech


"This portion of Article 1a is not much of an issue, but just curious, Ambassador, as to why you chose to define only 'hate speech' as the acceptable form of resolution to enact restrictions on clothing. Why can't any resolution do this, such as ones on civil rights?"

their possessing or not possessing an arbitrary and reductive characteristic


"This portion of Article 2a is more concerning to us. What is defined as an 'arbitrary and reductive characteristic'? Would having a body part specific to a gender count under that? For instance, if you're a woman, you must wear a shirt, but if you're a guy, you're not required to. We would love a definition of this to go into the resolution."

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun May 08, 2022 9:04 am

Makko Oko wrote:snip

In light of Articles a(ii-v), I don't see how any category of future resolution other than matters regarding hate speech can effectively regulate clothing. I might provide an allowance for future WA law on stolen valor in a(i) but don't count on it.

GA#35 defines what an Arbitrary And Reductive Characteristic(TM) is. This resolution bans dress codes that say "if you're a woman, you must wear a shirt, but if you're a guy, you're not required to."
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Postby Makko Oko » Sun May 08, 2022 9:44 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Makko Oko wrote:snip

In light of Articles a(ii-v), I don't see how any category of future resolution other than matters regarding hate speech can effectively regulate clothing. I might provide an allowance for future WA law on stolen valor in a(i) but don't count on it.

GA#35 defines what an Arbitrary And Reductive Characteristic(TM) is. This resolution bans dress codes that say "if you're a woman, you must wear a shirt, but if you're a guy, you're not required to."


"Thank you for your responses Ambassador, they're much appreciated. You make us think of another concern however, and that is, if a place of business chooses to not require people wear shirts, it could violate nudity laws either locally or internationally. How do you intend to fix that gaping hole Ambassador?"

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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Sun May 08, 2022 3:39 pm

Ms. Schafer strides into the chamber wearing a red dress (how ironic considering that this draft is about the freedom of dress)

“Her highness told me to tell you that this proposal is essentially free of major errors. However, she has one question for me to ask. Regarding Clause B, Part 1, would wearing pajamas to school and/of work be technically allowed under this resolution? That seems like a major loophole in this, ambassador. Also, as a sidenote, her highness does not like this concept in general though, due to prudism laws that she passed, but still thinks that the draft itself is okay nonetheless. I also support the prudism laws, since it compels me to wear beautiful dresses. Do you all believe this gorgeous look is a mistake? (Points to herself)”
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sun May 08, 2022 4:10 pm

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I continue to oppose this proposal on principle (not the WA's business).


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Postby Comfed » Sun May 08, 2022 5:55 pm

For b(i), I would suggest instead a simple requirement that dress codes apply uniformly to everyone barring reasonable circumstances.
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Postby Nepleslia » Sun May 08, 2022 10:01 pm

Tinhampton wrote:My objective is the reduction of unnecessary bureaucracy, which I believe will serve great utility to many people in many member states.

So with this proposal you’re attempting to reduce unnecessary bureaucracy by… introducing more unnecessary bureaucracy?

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Postby Tinhampton » Fri May 20, 2022 9:19 am

Makko Oko and Anne of Cleves: As far as I know, this proposal will ban enforced nudism and enforced prudism alike :P

Comfed: I thought that making dress codes universally applicable was what b(i) did already.

Nepleslia: I've always had NatSov leanings but sometimes I have to balance that with PerSov. The latter, for the most part, won out here.
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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Fri May 20, 2022 11:00 am

I have not delved too deeply into this proposal except to note that it generally runs as follows: "People are free to dress as they please except for when they are not for a variety of reasons." I suppose I can agree with that principle, but I'm not sure this draft meaningfully expands on prior resolutions protecting free expression and prohibiting discrimination.

To the extent you're concerned about female workers being discriminated against based on their sex, other WA law addresses that.

The idea that people should be allowed to wear what they please in public places except when it conveys an "illegal message" or "would otherwise grossly offend a typical person" is baffling in a proposal purportedly serving to expand protection of expression beyond what we have already enacted. It creates more questions than it answers, and it probably contradicts GAR #436.

Anyway, I see no reason to step on the legislative rights of Nudist nations - which can be a recognized and defining national characteristic of a Nationstate.

If this passes, I suppose next we must have the Freedom to Flail About Randomly; protecting people's right to express themselves by moving their arms about however they please, subject to limitations and exceptions. And then the Freedom to Take Two Steps Forward; protecting people's right to the convenience of moving two steps forward except when they should not do so for some reasons.

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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Fri May 20, 2022 12:02 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Makko Oko and Anne of Cleves: As far as I know, this proposal will ban enforced nudism and enforced prudism alike :P

Comfed: I thought that making dress codes universally applicable was what b(i) did already.

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“Banning enforced nudism is great. I certainly would be horrified if all the Clevesian school kids came to school nude. But banning enforced prudism??? What’s wrong with mandated beauty and constantly wearing a dazzling red dress like mine? *points to her dress in a sophisticated way* There is certainly nothing wrong with the “Right of Beauty” in my eyes.”
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Postby Attack Helicopter » Fri May 20, 2022 12:08 pm

GAR#436 (Protecting Free Expression) already allows people in WA member nations to express themselves via clothing.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri May 20, 2022 1:34 pm

Attack Helicopter: Article 3 of 436 "prohibits member states from hindering the right of individuals to free expression, excepting... restrictions permitted in future, unrepealed WA legislation." ;P

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Tinhampton wrote:Makko Oko and Anne of Cleves: As far as I know, this proposal will ban enforced nudism and enforced prudism alike [...]

“Banning enforced nudism is great. I certainly would be horrified if all the Clevesian school kids came to school nude. But banning enforced prudism??? What’s wrong with mandated beauty and constantly wearing a dazzling red dress like mine? *points to her dress in a sophisticated way* There is certainly nothing wrong with the “Right of Beauty” in my eyes.”
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Anderson: If you want to wear... reads notes beautiful clothing in these chambers, you can, pretty much. Some of the fanciest uniforms I've ever seen in my time here have been worn by ambassadors whose nations had no diplomatic uniform policies any harder or faster than "business casual."

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Postby Anne of Cleves in TNP » Fri May 20, 2022 3:22 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Attack Helicopter: Article 3 of 436 "prohibits member states from hindering the right of individuals to free expression, excepting... restrictions permitted in future, unrepealed WA legislation." ;P

Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“Banning enforced nudism is great. I certainly would be horrified if all the Clevesian school kids came to school nude. But banning enforced prudism??? What’s wrong with mandated beauty and constantly wearing a dazzling red dress like mine? *points to her dress in a sophisticated way* There is certainly nothing wrong with the “Right of Beauty” in my eyes.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire

Anderson: If you want to wear... reads notes beautiful clothing in these chambers, you can, pretty much. Some of the fanciest uniforms I've ever seen in my time here have been worn by ambassadors whose nations had no diplomatic uniform policies any harder or faster than "business casual."

(Mrs Anderson is currently wearing a charcoal grey pantsuit, two-inch stiletto heels and an almost-entirely-done-up blouse.)

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Postby Berenice Soviet » Fri May 20, 2022 8:40 pm

Against, dress code is not an international issue.

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Postby West Barack and East Obama » Sat May 21, 2022 1:04 am

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 28, 2022 6:08 am

Bump for hopefully substantiative feedback! :P
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