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What do white nationalists mean by "Defend our culture"?

Postby Tokora » Sun May 01, 2022 3:57 pm

This is something I've never understood. When someone complains about their culture being threatened, just what are they afraid of losing? Do they think they'll be forced to eat tacos and listen to mariachi music? Is speaking English held that sacredly? Or is being white unto itself the "culture" they're afraid of losing? What part of culture is it that causes people to think they need to wipe out the other to defend it?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun May 01, 2022 4:01 pm

I don't think our resident racists are online to respond to this. If they were to though, expect wacky conspiracy theories and the like.
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Postby Tokora » Sun May 01, 2022 4:20 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't think our resident racists are online to respond to this. If they were to though, expect wacky conspiracy theories and the like.

What is often said that sounds like an actual thing they care about? If its just that they can't own people anymore it's pathetic but also counts as an answer.
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Postby Space Squid » Sun May 01, 2022 4:22 pm

I mean... it's just a racist dogwhistle, innit?
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 01, 2022 4:27 pm

Race/ethnicity can be interpreted as what defines a culture and plenty of people care about their own in group not losing the majority where they live, or otherwise going extinct or retreating towards irrelevance to give way for another to dominate.
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Postby Disgraces » Sun May 01, 2022 4:27 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I don't think our resident racists are online to respond to this. If they were to though, expect wacky conspiracy theories and the like.

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Postby Hiyoko » Sun May 01, 2022 4:28 pm

Tokora wrote:What is often said that sounds like an actual thing they care about? If its just that they can't own people anymore it's pathetic but also counts as an answer.
Some just don't like the fact that there country isn't as ethnically homogenous anymore and that they 'don't feel' their nation is doing enough to assimilate newcomers.

So yeah, its pretty much boils down to racism.
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Postby Vikanias » Sun May 01, 2022 4:31 pm

I mean culture is great and you should be respectful of it yet I don’t see a reason for you to defend it. Cultures change, and cultures die. No culture will last forever, so it’s useless to defend it, should you respect it? Yes if you want to, should you die for it? No.
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Postby Tsarus 2142 » Sun May 01, 2022 4:33 pm

Both sides misunderstand it.

The inclination to protect one's identity (race, culture, people) is an instinct and is not immediately born out of logic. There is a huge amount of racists I know who grew up in a diverse environment. Why are they racist? Because they're nothing like these other people, of other colors, who speak other dialects, have other customs and straight up behave way different. They stick to people who are actually like them because they're familiar. They are comfortable to them.

They do not want the identities they're so comfortable with to change. Change is out of their control, and this can easily cause anyone to panic.
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Postby Dillisa » Sun May 01, 2022 4:34 pm

The feeling that your familiar home is disappearing can be unpleasant
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Postby Democratic Socialist State of Barbados » Sun May 01, 2022 4:35 pm

Tokora wrote:This is something I've never understood. When someone complains about their culture being threatened, just what are they afraid of losing? Do they think they'll be forced to eat tacos and listen to mariachi music? Is speaking English held that sacredly? Or is being white unto itself the "culture" they're afraid of losing? What part of culture is it that causes people to think they need to wipe out the other to defend it?

only read the title and the 1st question.

it can a different meaning to various people in different places, outside the US could mean some western cultural influences are changing the ways people communicate with one other, traditional games, music, etc. only talking about the eastern Caribbean.

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just reread it, disregard what I wrote.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 01, 2022 4:38 pm

Vikanias wrote:I mean culture is great and you should be respectful of it yet I don’t see a reason for you to defend it. Cultures change, and cultures die. No culture will last forever, so it’s useless to defend it, should you respect it? Yes if you want to, should you die for it? No.


Tell that to Ukraine.
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Postby Tsarus 2142 » Sun May 01, 2022 4:39 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Vikanias wrote:I mean culture is great and you should be respectful of it yet I don’t see a reason for you to defend it. Cultures change, and cultures die. No culture will last forever, so it’s useless to defend it, should you respect it? Yes if you want to, should you die for it? No.


Tell that to Ukraine.


Yeah people neglect to remember that uhhh more than a few cultures have gone extinct for being too accepting lmao
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Postby Ztrumea » Sun May 01, 2022 4:41 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Tell that to Ukraine.

I apologize for answering something that is not addressed to me, but what is so unusual about Ukraine?
Yes, and their culture must eventually cease to exist.
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Postby Independent Cossack Ukraine » Sun May 01, 2022 4:42 pm

Tokora wrote:This is something I've never understood. When someone complains about their culture being threatened, just what are they afraid of losing? Do they think they'll be forced to eat tacos and listen to mariachi music? Is speaking English held that sacredly? Or is being white unto itself the "culture" they're afraid of losing? What part of culture is it that causes people to think they need to wipe out the other to defend it?


I think legitimate racists give this phrase an undeserved bad reputation.

When immigrants come to a country and assimilate (especially countries like the USA, Canada, or Australia), their culture blends with their new country's culture and both cultures merge. Good examples include Mexican Banda music (roots in Bavarian music), Swedish Kebab (from Middle Eastern immigrants), Chop Suey (creation of Chinese-Americans), Oktoberfest in Southern Brazil (German immigrants), and Jamaican curry (brought by Indian Jamaicans). I don't see this phrase in its actual sense referring to immigrants.

This phrase usually is used by Conservatives in reference to perceived anti-Western sentiments in things like flag burning, tearing down statues, insulting traditions such as 4th of July, the Pledge of Allegiance, Thanksgiving, etc. I don't think anyone's culture deserves to be destroyed. I think when most Conservatives say "defend our culture," it means "we are not the racists that existed 200 years ago, please respect our traditions given that you live here too."

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Postby Hiyoko » Sun May 01, 2022 4:42 pm

Tsarus 2142 wrote:Yeah people neglect to remember that uhhh more than a few cultures have gone extinct for being too accepting lmao
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 01, 2022 4:46 pm

Ztrumea wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Tell that to Ukraine.

I apologize for answering something that is not addressed to me, but what is so unusual about Ukraine?
Yes, and their culture must eventually cease to exist.


That doesn't mean it's not valuable and worth preserving for as long as possible.
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Postby Ztrumea » Sun May 01, 2022 4:52 pm

Salus Maior wrote:That doesn't mean it's not valuable and worth preserving for as long as possible.

It's not worth it. It would be better if they built an allied culture with Belarus and Russia, rather than raging with their "independence".
IMHO, it's better to accept the inevitable and contribute to the culture of the future rather than fight to save the doomed.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun May 01, 2022 4:53 pm

Ztrumea wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:That doesn't mean it's not valuable and worth preserving for as long as possible.

It's not worth it. It would be better if they built an allied culture with Belarus and Russia, rather than raging with their "independence".
IMHO, it's better to accept the inevitable and contribute to the culture of the future rather than fight to save the doomed.


Ahhh, ok lol.

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Postby Independent Cossack Ukraine » Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Ztrumea wrote:It's not worth it. It would be better if they built an allied culture with Belarus and Russia, rather than raging with their "independence".
IMHO, it's better to accept the inevitable and contribute to the culture of the future rather than fight to save the doomed.


Ahhh, ok lol.

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Postby Ztrumea » Sun May 01, 2022 4:55 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Ztrumea wrote:It's not worth it. It would be better if they built an allied culture with Belarus and Russia, rather than raging with their "independence".
IMHO, it's better to accept the inevitable and contribute to the culture of the future rather than fight to save the doomed.


Ahhh, ok lol.

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I am a fan of the USSR, not Putin. Russian nationalism and conservatism are also my opponents.
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Postby Tokora » Sun May 01, 2022 4:58 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Vikanias wrote:I mean culture is great and you should be respectful of it yet I don’t see a reason for you to defend it. Cultures change, and cultures die. No culture will last forever, so it’s useless to defend it, should you respect it? Yes if you want to, should you die for it? No.


Tell that to Ukraine.

In my opinion Ukraine's case is the difference between peacefully dying in your sleep and being brutally robbed and murdered. Russia is obviously doing the latter here.

Independent Cossack Ukraine wrote:This phrase usually is used by Conservatives in reference to perceived anti-Western sentiments in things like flag burning, tearing down statues, insulting traditions such as 4th of July, the Pledge of Allegiance, Thanksgiving, etc. I don't think anyone's culture deserves to be destroyed. I think when most Conservatives say "defend our culture," it means "we are not the racists that existed 200 years ago, please respect our traditions given that you live here too."

While the statues amounts to whether or not these men fought for states rights or slavery (it was usually slavery), as far as the holidays I feel that Native Americans have a right to complain. When a culture revolves around how they "gloriously" wiped out and subjugated another, I'm not sure that's anything to be proud of here.

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Postby Tokora » Sun May 01, 2022 5:00 pm

Ztrumea wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:That doesn't mean it's not valuable and worth preserving for as long as possible.

It's not worth it. It would be better if they built an allied culture with Belarus and Russia, rather than raging with their "independence".
IMHO, it's better to accept the inevitable and contribute to the culture of the future rather than fight to save the doomed.

The Slavic peoples should be united democratically, not conquered by a wannabe Stalin.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 01, 2022 5:01 pm

Tokora wrote:This is something I've never understood. When someone complains about their culture being threatened, just what are they afraid of losing? Do they think they'll be forced to eat tacos and listen to mariachi music? Is speaking English held that sacredly? Or is being white unto itself the "culture" they're afraid of losing? What part of culture is it that causes people to think they need to wipe out the other to defend it?


To be absolutely fair, I do think that there are problems with our culture today, but I don't think being cruel to immigrants is the solution. One could legitimately argue that immigrants who fail to assimilate can cause problems. But if people go so far as to say we cannot assimilate immigrants, I would say that is more a symptom of dysfunction in our own society rather than a problem with immigrants.

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Postby Informed Consent » Sun May 01, 2022 5:03 pm

Vikanias wrote:I mean culture is great and you should be respectful of it yet I don’t see a reason for you to defend it. Cultures change, and cultures die. No culture will last forever, so it’s useless to defend it, should you respect it? Yes if you want to, should you die for it? No.

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Defend it, appropriate it, assimilate it, evolve it, and respect it.
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