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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:04 am

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden- ... nce-2022-4

A demonstration planned by Stram Kurs, a Danish far-right party, which threatened to burn the Quran, had to be moved to the Swedish city of Malmo after protesters threw stones and set tires and cars on fire, AP reports.

Announcing the move, Stram Kurs' party leader Rasmus Paludan wrote on Facebook that it was "time to burn the Quran" and that they would bring "pork blood" to pour over the holy text.

Paludan, a 40-year-old Danish lawyer with Swedish citizenship, set up Stram Kurs, or Hard Line, in 2017 with an anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim agenda and advocates banning Islam and the mass deportation of "non-Western" people.

A statement from police outlining Saturday night's events said riot police were pelted with stones.

One protester drove a car at riot police. The driver was arrested and is being investigated for attempted murder, Swedish news outlet Svenska Dagbladet said.

Early on Saturday, Kim Hild, spokeswoman for police in southern Sweden, said the threshold for denying free speech was high, and permission would not be withdrawn for the anti-Muslim demonstrations, AP reports.

Protests have been held across the country since Thursday, including in the capital city of Stockholm and other towns where Srtam Kurs planned to hold rallies, Swedish news reports.

On Thursday, police equipment was stolen, and Friday saw at least ten police officers injured in the violence.


So like when are people gonna realise multiculturalism is stupid and we go back to sensible monoculturalism?
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:07 am

Correct me if I’m wrong… but you want to stop these riots by agreeing to their demands?
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:09 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong… but you want to stop these riots by agreeing to their demands?

Mostly by making them adopt either Christianity or Irreligion or getting kicked out.

Like we do in Greece to the Immigrants.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:10 am

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Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong… but you want to stop these riots by agreeing to their demands?

Mostly by making them adopt either Christianity or Irreligion or getting kicked out.

Like we do in Greece to the Immigrants.

You know that is a stupid way to handle things, right? Only the immigrants who have murdered people or something should be kicked out.
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:14 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Mostly by making them adopt either Christianity or Irreligion or getting kicked out.

Like we do in Greece to the Immigrants.

You know that is a stupid way to handle things, right? Only the immigrants who have murdered people or something should be kicked out.

Obviously they are kicked out first without a second thought.
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Postby Niarj » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:14 am

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Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong… but you want to stop these riots by agreeing to their demands?

Mostly by making them adopt either Christianity or Irreligion or getting kicked out.

Like we do in Greece to the Immigrants.


Why would that be a good solution? This just generates more anger and resentment between the groups and further divides the people. What should really occur (but probably won't, or will require a long time and some significant changes to policy and culture) is that people need to stop believing they can impose their will onto others based on lines drawn on a map. Neither group is right for wanting to force the others to do as they say, and it makes no sense to further damage relations by forcing people to do what you personally want for them to do. That doesn't solve the problem, it just leaves room for even more trouble in the future.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:16 am

Well, I’m certain this will be a cool-headed, high-brow conversation where respect and charity feature prominently.

To begin, I would like the record to show that committing multiple acts of desecration during a religious holiday with the sole intention of stoking anger within a religious community is completely asinine. You shouldn’t burn Bibles, pour pig blood on Qurans, sit on Buddha statues, or draw Antisemitic graffiti on a sukkah. It’s deeply disrespectful and uncivil. Like why does this need to be said, y’all?

That being said, I’ve maintained for awhile that religious communities should not take the bait and riot every time an act of desecration occurs, and that such attitudes about this topic, which often encompass views that murder is an acceptable response to desecration, are profoundly illiberal and constitute a serious threat to civil society in the long-term if allowed to go unchecked. The issue is that short of gradual assimilation into local culture over two or three generations (not be conflated with religious conversion), which isn’t happening in many places, there’s no easy way to address that problem. Anti-blasphemy laws, perhaps, but nothing liberals would really appreciate.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:17 am

Asherahan wrote:
Islamic Holy Sites wrote:You know that is a stupid way to handle things, right? Only the immigrants who have murdered people or something should be kicked out.

Obviously they are kicked out first without a second thought.

Your way would create even more conflict. And it is horrible. So you would support Syria booting out all non-Muslims?
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:18 am

Fahran wrote:Well, I’m certain this will be a cool-headed, high-brow conversation where respect and charity feature prominently.

To begin, I would like the record to show that committing multiple acts of desecration during a religious holiday with the sole intention of stoking anger within a religious community is completely asinine. You shouldn’t burn Bibles, pour pig blood on Quran’s, sit on Buddha statues, or draw Antisemitic graffiti on a sukkah. It’s deeply disrespectful and uncivil.

That being said, I’ve maintained for awhile that religious communities should not take the bait and riot every time an act of desecration occurs, and that such attitudes about this topic, which often encompass views that murder is an acceptable response to desecration, are profoundly illiberal and constitute a serious threat to civil society in the long-term if allowed to go unchecked. The issue is that short of gradual assimilation into local culture over two or three generations, which isn’t happening in many places, there’s no easy way to address that problem. Anti-blasphemy laws, perhaps, but nothing liberals would really appreciate.

Only forced assimilation is the solution but in Liberal Societies that is obviously a no-no
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Postby Pulsroth » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:19 am

Asherahan wrote:Mostly by making them adopt either Christianity or Irreligion or getting kicked out.

Like we do in Greece to the Immigrants.


Even as a somewhat nationalistic Christian, I have to disagree with this.

A better way of handling this would be for the governments of Denmark, Sweden or any other countries affected by these kind of problems, to make it mandatory for immigrants and natives to mix, rather than forming the inevitable Islamic enclaves major cities often see. Having a shared culture works really well.

Not necessarily by forcing them to abandon their faith altogether.
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:23 am

Pulsroth wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Mostly by making them adopt either Christianity or Irreligion or getting kicked out.

Like we do in Greece to the Immigrants.


Even as a somewhat nationalistic Christian, I have to disagree with this.

A better way of handling this would be for the governments of Denmark, Sweden or any other countries affected by these kind of problems, to make it mandatory for immigrants and natives to mix, rather than forming the inevitable Islamic enclaves major cities often see. Having a shared culture works really well.

That is the thing though they always make ghettos of their own monoculture the only real solution in my opinion is to progressively assimilate them first by educating and baptising their children then letting the adults die off naturally.
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Postby The H Corporation » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:24 am

Asherahan wrote:
Fahran wrote:Well, I’m certain this will be a cool-headed, high-brow conversation where respect and charity feature prominently.

To begin, I would like the record to show that committing multiple acts of desecration during a religious holiday with the sole intention of stoking anger within a religious community is completely asinine. You shouldn’t burn Bibles, pour pig blood on Quran’s, sit on Buddha statues, or draw Antisemitic graffiti on a sukkah. It’s deeply disrespectful and uncivil.

That being said, I’ve maintained for awhile that religious communities should not take the bait and riot every time an act of desecration occurs, and that such attitudes about this topic, which often encompass views that murder is an acceptable response to desecration, are profoundly illiberal and constitute a serious threat to civil society in the long-term if allowed to go unchecked. The issue is that short of gradual assimilation into local culture over two or three generations, which isn’t happening in many places, there’s no easy way to address that problem. Anti-blasphemy laws, perhaps, but nothing liberals would really appreciate.

Only forced assimilation is the solution but in Liberal Societies that is obviously a no-no

That would only make things worse, and how do you plan on assimilating every single culture/religion?
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:25 am

The H Corporation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Only forced assimilation is the solution but in Liberal Societies that is obviously a no-no

That would only make things worse, and how do you plan on assimilating every single culture/religion?

Progressively like we did to the Albanians in Greece and we are trying to do with the rest of new migrants.
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Postby Asardia » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:25 am

I swear this very event happened a few years ago. Is it deja vu?

Asherahan wrote:...
So like when are people gonna realise multiculturalism is stupid and we go back to sensible monoculturalism?


Excuse me?
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Postby Free Hyperborea 2 » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:26 am

Asherahan wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-quran-burning-threat-by-far-right-triggers-3-nights-of-violence-2022-4

A demonstration planned by Stram Kurs, a Danish far-right party, which threatened to burn the Quran, had to be moved to the Swedish city of Malmo after protesters threw stones and set tires and cars on fire, AP reports.

Announcing the move, Stram Kurs' party leader Rasmus Paludan wrote on Facebook that it was "time to burn the Quran" and that they would bring "pork blood" to pour over the holy text.

Paludan, a 40-year-old Danish lawyer with Swedish citizenship, set up Stram Kurs, or Hard Line, in 2017 with an anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim agenda and advocates banning Islam and the mass deportation of "non-Western" people.

A statement from police outlining Saturday night's events said riot police were pelted with stones.

One protester drove a car at riot police. The driver was arrested and is being investigated for attempted murder, Swedish news outlet Svenska Dagbladet said.

Early on Saturday, Kim Hild, spokeswoman for police in southern Sweden, said the threshold for denying free speech was high, and permission would not be withdrawn for the anti-Muslim demonstrations, AP reports.

Protests have been held across the country since Thursday, including in the capital city of Stockholm and other towns where Srtam Kurs planned to hold rallies, Swedish news reports.

On Thursday, police equipment was stolen, and Friday saw at least ten police officers injured in the violence.


So like when are people gonna realise multiculturalism is stupid and we go back to sensible monoculturalism?


Once they themselves become victims of terrorism and violence at the hands of poor, innocent rapefugees and immigrants who refuse to assimilate to the new country they’re in yet beg for a better life.

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Postby Free Hyperborea 2 » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:28 am

Asherahan wrote:
Pulsroth wrote:
Even as a somewhat nationalistic Christian, I have to disagree with this.

A better way of handling this would be for the governments of Denmark, Sweden or any other countries affected by these kind of problems, to make it mandatory for immigrants and natives to mix, rather than forming the inevitable Islamic enclaves major cities often see. Having a shared culture works really well.

That is the thing though they always make ghettos of their own monoculture the only real solution in my opinion is to progressively assimilate them first by educating and baptising their children then letting the adults die off naturally.


Yeah that’s a huge issue,They don’t want to become a part of the new country they’re in they just wanna create a new nation within the nation.Which makes sense considering the fact that Islam is expansionist.

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Postby Asherahan » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:28 am

Free Hyperborea 2 wrote:
Asherahan wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-quran-burning-threat-by-far-right-triggers-3-nights-of-violence-2022-4



So like when are people gonna realise multiculturalism is stupid and we go back to sensible monoculturalism?


Once they themselves become victims of terrorism and violence at the hands of poor, innocent rapefugees and immigrants who refuse to assimilate to the new country they’re in yet beg for a better life.

You do know not everyone is rapist and murderer right? it is simply that their culture is antithetical with western culture and we can't have them dictate to us what must be done.
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Postby The H Corporation » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:28 am

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The H Corporation wrote:That would only make things worse, and how do you plan on assimilating every single culture/religion?

Progressively like we did to the Albanians in Greece and we are trying to do with the rest of new migrants.

Wouldn't it be better if we teach the different communities to just get along with each other? Doing that will create more divide between them
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Postby Elwher » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:28 am

Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong… but you want to stop these riots by agreeing to their demands?


That's how rioters usually get stopped. If people riot over high prices, the government stops them by imposing price controls. When people riot over the police killing citizens, the government stops them by prosecuting the killers and putting in place rules to stop them.

The whole idea of rioting is to get the government to agree to the demands.
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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:28 am

Let me get this straight. Some far-right idiots do very provocative acts, and your saying that because this is happening you need to force everyone to become Christian? You know what a dumb idea this is?
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Postby Free Hyperborea 2 » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:29 am

Asardia wrote:I swear this very event happened a few years ago. Is it deja vu?

Asherahan wrote:...
So like when are people gonna realise multiculturalism is stupid and we go back to sensible monoculturalism?


Excuse me?


He’s right is it failing on a massive scale in Europe.I dont care if it creates new jobs and brings great cuisine that’s not worth it for all the lives lost on the altar of multiculturalism,diversity, and inclusion.How many people will have to die before this is out to an end.

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Postby Islamic Holy Sites » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:31 am

Free Hyperborea 2 wrote:
Asardia wrote:I swear this very event happened a few years ago. Is it deja vu?



Excuse me?


He’s right is it failing on a massive scale in Europe.I dont care if it creates new jobs and brings great cuisine that’s not worth it for all the lives lost on the altar of multiculturalism,diversity, and inclusion.How many people will have to die before this is out to an end.

Give me an example about how multiculturalism has killed people on a large scale.
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Postby Free Hyperborea 2 » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:31 am

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Asherahan wrote:Obviously they are kicked out first without a second thought.

Your way would create even more conflict. And it is horrible. So you would support Syria booting out all non-Muslims?


Aren’t Muslims like 85% of Syria’s population.

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Islamic Holy Sites wrote:Your way would create even more conflict. And it is horrible. So you would support Syria booting out all non-Muslims?


Aren’t Muslims like 85% of Syria’s population.

What does that have to do with the question?
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Postby Pulsroth » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:32 am

Asherahan wrote:That is the thing though they always make ghettos of their own monoculture the only real solution in my opinion is to progressively assimilate them first by educating and baptising their children then letting the adults die off naturally.


Assimilation through education and other such polite methods, absolutely.

From the part that I've put in bold there, would I be correct in suggesting that you support forcing Christianity, Agnosticism or perhaps even Atheism upon immigrants as a condition of residence in a country?
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