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Attempted Socialism
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Mon May 02, 2022 4:13 am

Wallenburg wrote:Re: Attempted Socialism again

Would you consider it a sufficient address of the issue you are trying to raise to modify the first argument thusly?
it requires the communication of personal information...whenever it is collected in the course of government-funded scientific inquiry

becomes
it requires the communication of personal information...whenever it is collected as data in the course of government-funded scientific inquiry

That formulation has the virtue of being unambiguously true. However, I think it describes some niche situations, and does not entirely reflect the reason for repealing that I would prefer. You can strengthen your argument by including the point that CSD itself has no safeguards when it disseminates data. In either the cases where personal information is collected as data or (As I find more realistic) the cases when it is included in error from lazy procedures, the CSD should itself examine and anonymise the data as appropriate.


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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 02, 2022 10:39 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:That formulation has the virtue of being unambiguously true. However, I think it describes some niche situations, and does not entirely reflect the reason for repealing that I would prefer. You can strengthen your argument by including the point that CSD itself has no safeguards when it disseminates data. In either the cases where personal information is collected as data or (As I find more realistic) the cases when it is included in error from lazy procedures, the CSD should itself examine and anonymise the data as appropriate.

Section 1 has been reworked in pursuit of properly addressing this issue.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed May 04, 2022 1:54 pm

I have been bad at timely responses (And sorry about that), so I'll just note that my important points have been resolved to my satisfaction.


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Postby Wallenburg » Wed May 04, 2022 6:57 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:I have been bad at timely responses (And sorry about that), so I'll just note that my important points have been resolved to my satisfaction.

The drafting process moves at its own pace, and nobody owes me timely input. That being said, I appreciate you sticking around to help improve the arguments this repeal makes.
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Postby Kaprein » Fri May 27, 2022 9:52 pm

I'd argue there is another major flaw with GA#604 - article 5, as it:
Obligates all member states to provide the CSD with sufficient reasoning for the classification and thus withholding of materials as per Articles 3 and 4. The CSD shall determine the sufficiency of any arguments provided by member states in accordance with the following criteria:
5a. Whether the dissemination of materials would result in a threat to national security, and/or
5b. Whether the dissemination of materials would result in severe, potentially irrecoverable damage to a member state’s economy.

In Kaprein, the exact reasons why something is classified, is also classified, and WA bureaucrats are not authorised to access classified Kapreinian material. As article 5 empowers WA employees from accessing confidential Kapreinian research or the reasons for its classification. Further, article 5 does not prevent someone from the WA deciding that something doesn't meet any of the criteria to damage Kapreinian interests.

I'd argue article 5 is another reason to repeal GA#604, but it is still good that it is being repealed regardless.
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat May 28, 2022 4:57 am

As my in-character Delegate-Ambassador Smith said at the time:
We are opposed to this resolution for the same reason we oppose the requirement for the IAO to vet certain decisions of member states in the Epidemic Investigation Act; it is not the World Assembly's business to tell nations what is so confidential that it should not be published.

While I am extremely concerned at the increasing popularity of EIA-style compelled-action clauses, I'd say that Wally's argument about research participant privacy is compelling enough.
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Postby Fachumonn » Sat May 28, 2022 5:06 am

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Postby Dophy » Sun May 29, 2022 7:07 am

Why are we repealing the whole thing?

There is definitely a violation of bioethics and that needs to be addressed as Honeydewistania points out to be fair.

Haganham points out that "the issue is not that confidential information is being given to a WA committee. It's that the committee is sharing the information publicly."

Why don't we just add a simple addendum that all publicly available research needs to be anonymized?

Are we seriously scrapping the whole thing for this??

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sun May 29, 2022 7:10 am

Dophy wrote:Why are we repealing the whole thing?

There is definitely a violation of bioethics and that needs to be addressed as Honeydewistania points out to be fair.

Haganham points out that "the issue is not that confidential information is being given to a WA committee. It's that the committee is sharing the information publicly."

Why don't we just add a simple addendum that all publicly available research needs to be anonymized?

Are we seriously scrapping the whole thing for this??


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Postby Vekten » Mon May 30, 2022 4:16 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but what data is being collected? I see the original proposal "Access to Scientific Knowledge" publishes this data to the public, but where is this data at and how to I view it? I would like to personally see the data before passing judgment. Perhaps the CRD is already anonymizing the published data, even if the initial proposal doesn't outline a procedure for anonymizing.
Once again, pardon my ignorance as I may have completely misunderstood the purpose of the repeal.

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 30, 2022 4:31 pm

Vekten wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what data is being collected? I see the original proposal "Access to Scientific Knowledge" publishes this data to the public, but where is this data at and how to I view it? I would like to personally see the data before passing judgment. Perhaps the CRD is already anonymizing the published data, even if the initial proposal doesn't outline a procedure for anonymizing.
Once again, pardon my ignorance as I may have completely misunderstood the purpose of the repeal.

OOC: Committees aren't represented in roleplay thoroughly enough to point to things like that. The CRD's database does not exist in such a way that I can link you to its data, it only exists in concept as a result of the target resolution.
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Postby Russian CSTO » Tue May 31, 2022 7:22 am

Russian CTSO is analysing for the draft offered on the WA regarding to the ideas of accessibility of Scientific Knowledge. It's supposed to be able to be accessed by people for free without excessive restrictions.
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Postby Apatosaurus » Tue May 31, 2022 9:14 pm

The General Assembly resolution Repeal "Access to Scientific Knowledge" was passed 13,221 votes to 1,830.
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Postby Quintessence of Dust » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:15 am

Apatosaurus wrote:
The General Assembly resolution Repeal "Access to Scientific Knowledge" was passed 13,221 votes to 1,830.

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Postby Apatosaurus » Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:18 pm

Quintessence of Dust wrote:
Apatosaurus wrote:

Bring back the dinosaur flag. >:(

Pls, finding these things takes effort :lol:
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