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[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

Postby Grea Kriopia » Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:36 pm

It's late in the day, but "Liberate EmbassyRegionia" has been submitted to prevent attempts to mess with the SC queue and in hopes of a SC option to preserve the region from being destroyed.

For context, EmbassyRegionia was a fledgling embassy collector region which was building an embassy network to use its RMB as a platform for interregional communication. It should be allowed to fulfill this purpose without detriment.

Native Delegate and all native Regional Officers have been contacted to confirm native consent for the Liberation proposal and it will be pulled if they do not consent to the liberation.

The Security Council,

Observing the invasion of EmbassyRegionia by hostile forces,

Noting the community of EmbassyRegionia, purposefully dedicated to the goal of increased “interregional connectivity” by forming a network of embassy partnerships with regions across the multiverse,

Emphasizing the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies or undermine the sovereignty of others to build community throughout the multiverse as they see fit,

Aware of the zealous commitment to region destruction held by the parties involved in the occupation, as exemplified by their refounding of The Mystical Council,

Fearing that EmbassyRegionia may face ultimate destruction if the Security Council does not act to preserve its community and history,

Believing that a Security Council Liberation must prevent the imposition of a secret password, and aim to prevent the refounding of the region by hostile forces,

Hereby liberates EmbassyRegionia. Image

Co-author: HumanSanity
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:39 pm

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Postby RiderSyl » Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:44 pm

Grea Kriopia wrote:Emphasizing the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies or undermine the sovereignty of others to build community throughout the multiverse as they see fit,


If those are your exceptions, then you'd best withdraw this now. EmbassyRegionia has had embassies with fascists, some of which the Brotherhood of Malice are currently closing as part of this raid.
In your haste to defeat "hostile forces", you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

You've got a chance to realize you're going to bat for a region you shouldn't very early on in this. I hope you take advantage of it.

If you don't, and you commit, I'll support this. Souls is probably supporting it for the memes, but it'll basically be an accidental pre-emptive lib, and I think the SC should pre-emptively lib more regions like this.
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Postby Grea Kriopia » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:04 am

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Grea Kriopia wrote:Emphasizing the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies or undermine the sovereignty of others to build community throughout the multiverse as they see fit,


If those are your exceptions, then you'd best withdraw this now. EmbassyRegionia has had embassies with fascists, some of which the Brotherhood of Malice are currently closing as part of this raid.
In your haste to defeat "hostile forces", you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

You've got a chance to realize you're going to bat for a region you shouldn't very early on in this. I hope you take advantage of it.

There's no evidence that I'm aware of currently that indicates EmbassyRegionia has full awareness of the existence of problematic embassies in their active embassy list, especially with a stated policy against certain hateful positions.

That would be better concluded after reasonable and sustained outreach is attempted and/or rejected by the region in question, which will be first on the to-do list following the region's liberation from occupying forces.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:01 am

The draft reads fine, does what it says on the label. Mind you I wouldn’t expect any issues with you and HS authoring it.

And understand perfectly the haste to get this in the queue.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:18 am

Grea Kriopia wrote:There's no evidence that I'm aware of currently that indicates EmbassyRegionia has full awareness of the existence of problematic embassies in their active embassy list, especially with a stated policy against certain hateful positions.

That would be better concluded after reasonable and sustained outreach is attempted and/or rejected by the region in question, which will be first on the to-do list following the region's liberation from occupying forces.


So you're going to push through a resolution that pretty much says EmbassyRegionia does not endorse hateful ideologies, when there are screenshots of their now-DEATed founder deciding fascist regions had to fit 6 very strict descriptions of "true" fascism for the policy to apply, and screenshots of their now-DEATed founder actively mulling being "less anti-fascist" - both of these screenshots from just 12 days ago. And whether or not EmbassyRegionia are fash/fash sympathizers is getting kicked down the road until after you can get rid of the raiders.

Beating raiders is more important than bashing the fash now, I guess.

EDIT: Also, specifically on the count that EmbassyRegionia didn't know about the problematic regions in their list, they specifically knew about the fascist region Barbaria and chose to keep that embassy. There is proof of this in the form of a screenshot as well. If you're so hungry for a W that you still intend to pass this Liberation with the "do not endorse hateful ideologies" bit, however, I'll take that as an indication that you aren't approaching this in good faith and won't be sharing any evidence with you yet.
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Postby Guess and Check » Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:44 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Grea Kriopia wrote:There's no evidence that I'm aware of currently that indicates EmbassyRegionia has full awareness of the existence of problematic embassies in their active embassy list, especially with a stated policy against certain hateful positions.

That would be better concluded after reasonable and sustained outreach is attempted and/or rejected by the region in question, which will be first on the to-do list following the region's liberation from occupying forces.


So you're going to push through a resolution that pretty much says EmbassyRegionia does not endorse hateful ideologies, when there are screenshots of their now-DEATed founder deciding fascist regions had to fit 6 very strict descriptions of "true" fascism for the policy to apply, and screenshots of their now-DEATed founder actively mulling being "less anti-fascist" - both of these screenshots from just 12 days ago. And whether or not EmbassyRegionia are fash/fash sympathizers is getting kicked down the road until after you can get rid of the raiders.

Beating raiders is more important than bashing the fash now, I guess.

EDIT: Also, specifically on the count that EmbassyRegionia didn't know about the problematic regions in their list, they specifically knew about the fascist region Barbaria and chose to keep that embassy. There is proof of this in the form of a screenshot as well. If you're so hungry for a W that you still intend to pass this Liberation with the "do not endorse hateful ideologies" bit, however, I'll take that as an indication that you aren't approaching this in good faith and won't be sharing any evidence with you yet.

That does not indicate that EmbassyRegionia supports fascism, merely that it is too strict with its definitions and is seeking to get stricter with them. There isnt a good justification for having any anti-fascism policy unless you find fascism abhorrent. (Which ofc all should)

The proper thing to do would be to liberate it and, when the region is back on its two feet and everything is normal, talk to the natives on the matter and try persuading them to loosen what they define as fascist.

While one can argue EmbassyRegionia tolerates hate if one ignores the context, I think its fair to give them the benefit of the doubt due to the context and thus that clause is fine. Because again, generally not much point to being anti-fascist without prompting from GP unless you are truly against fascism, even if such anti-fascist policy is limited in scope.

So personally while I think that clause of the lib is not the best to include (as one could argue the region tolerates hate, ignoring context), I think it is also justified remaining there.

EDIT: Change my words

Also, seconding what Emodea said. Seriously?
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Postby Emodea » Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:14 am

RiderSyl wrote:Beating raiders is more important than bashing the fash now, I guess.

What the actual fuck?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:57 am

So the founder manages to get themselves deleted, and now the Security Council needs to step in and save a nothing region? Pass.....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby Agent of GUN » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:05 am

100% full, unwavering support. This was my very first defense operation. We made the community of EmbassyRegionia vibrant onceagain. Malice is crossing a line when targeting this region. Over 1000 embassis burned to the ground, all because we didn't stay vigilant enough. Malice has lost most to all of my respect. Venico, if you are reading this, please stop. This region had the potential to be force, a strong force within NS culture, and the defnse made bit so. I don't know if it was Malice the first time, but it's just wrong.
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Postby Agent of GUN » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:06 am

Wayneactia wrote:So the founder manages to get themselves deleted, and now the Security Council needs to step in and save a nothing region? Pass.....

This is NOT a nothing region. How dare you say that

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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:22 am

Agent of GUN wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:So the founder manages to get themselves deleted, and now the Security Council needs to step in and save a nothing region? Pass.....

This is NOT a nothing region. How dare you say that

I stand by it. That region is nothing more than an embassy spammer and that is reason enough to burn it to the ground.....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby IsraeliKingdom » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:28 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Agent of GUN wrote:This is NOT a nothing region. How dare you say that

I stand by it. That region is nothing more than an embassy spammer and that is reason enough to burn it to the ground.....


If you cry boo hoo hoo over getting a embassy request, you have problems.

For what I know, this will be subject to notice to the Kingdom of Israel and its military.
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Postby Romanum et Britannia Minor » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:30 am

We must liberate this...

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:42 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Agent of GUN wrote:This is NOT a nothing region. How dare you say that

I stand by it. That region is nothing more than an embassy spammer and that is reason enough to burn it to the ground.....

I have no problem with the Liberation, but I doubt if I’ll vote for it. Never been a fan of these embassy collecting regions as many of them can’t take no for an answer.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:54 am

IsraeliKingdom wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:I stand by it. That region is nothing more than an embassy spammer and that is reason enough to burn it to the ground.....


If you cry boo hoo hoo over getting a embassy request, you have problems.

For what I know, this will be subject to notice to the Kingdom of Israel and its military.

Yes, I am quite sure everyone is very scared of a 15 hour old nation in a four nation region....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby The Universe World » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:58 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Agent of GUN wrote:This is NOT a nothing region. How dare you say that

I stand by it. That region is nothing more than an embassy spammer and that is reason enough to burn it to the ground.....

A community with a regional government says otherwise. The hate for embassy collectors is ridiculous, especially coming from raiders. Aw, you do not like receiving embassy requests? Well, raider regions do not like having all their embassies ruined!
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:01 am

The Universe World wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:I stand by it. That region is nothing more than an embassy spammer and that is reason enough to burn it to the ground.....

A community with a regional government says otherwise. The hate for embassy collectors is ridiculous, especially coming from raiders. Aw, you do not like receiving embassy requests? Well, raider regions do not like having all their embassies ruined!

Tough shit? My hate isn't just for embassy spammers by the way. It is for ALL spammers. Also, I'm not a raider.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Team Leo » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:26 am

Wayneactia wrote:
The Universe World wrote:A community with a regional government says otherwise. The hate for embassy collectors is ridiculous, especially coming from raiders. Aw, you do not like receiving embassy requests? Well, raider regions do not like having all their embassies ruined!

Tough shit? My hate isn't just for embassy spammers by the way. It is for ALL spammers. Also, I'm not a raider.

Bruh embassy regionia my embassies bro. We needa help them my guy. Why you gotta be snarky alla da time yo. >:(

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Postby Repreteop » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:28 am

Wayneactia wrote:
IsraeliKingdom wrote:
If you cry boo hoo hoo over getting a embassy request, you have problems.

For what I know, this will be subject to notice to the Kingdom of Israel and its military.

Yes, I am quite sure everyone is very scared of a 15 hour old nation in a four nation region....


What did you say? To my little alt I have that holds a region I control while I am in TSP.
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Postby Team Leo » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:28 am

Repreteop wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Yes, I am quite sure everyone is very scared of a 15 hour old nation in a four nation region....


What did you say? To my little alt I have that holds a region I control while I am in TSP.

Yeah, tell it to Wayneactia. He has no GP experience, so I'm not surpised he's acting like this...

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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:34 am

Repreteop wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Yes, I am quite sure everyone is very scared of a 15 hour old nation in a four nation region....


What did you say? To my little alt I have that holds a region I control while I am in TSP.

Once again, who cares? There is absolutely nothing you can possibly do to influence the outcome of the situation, other than issue idle threats....

Team Leo wrote:Yeah, tell it to Wayneactia. He has no GP experience, so I'm not surpised he's acting like this...

Read the above comment and take it to heart.....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Team Leo » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:40 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Repreteop wrote:
What did you say? To my little alt I have that holds a region I control while I am in TSP.

Once again, who cares? There is absolutely nothing you can possibly do to influence the outcome of the situation, other than issue idle threats....

Team Leo wrote:Yeah, tell it to Wayneactia. He has no GP experience, so I'm not surpised he's acting like this...

Read the above comment and take it to heart.....

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Postby Madjack » Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 am

Emodea wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Beating raiders is more important than bashing the fash now, I guess.

What the actual fuck?

Is anyone surprised that Syl is spewing this kinda shit, again?

They did the same when they were going to bat for CCD of your regions last year.
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Postby The Universe World » Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:49 am

Wayneactia wrote:
The Universe World wrote:A community with a regional government says otherwise. The hate for embassy collectors is ridiculous, especially coming from raiders. Aw, you do not like receiving embassy requests? Well, raider regions do not like having all their embassies ruined!

Tough shit? My hate isn't just for embassy spammers by the way. It is for ALL spammers. Also, I'm not a raider.

Embassy collectors are not embassy spammers.

I am aware that you are not a raider.
WayNeacTia wrote:Why admit to to something, when you can just deny it and release a word salad composed solely of bullshit?

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