A War of Blood and Steel [Althis|PT|OOC|Open]

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:14 am

A War of Blood and Steel

OOC Thread

CO-OP

“This war is a new kind of war. It is warfare in terms of every continent, every island, every sea, every air lane in the world.”

–Franklin D. Roosevelt, February 23rd 1942

Hello and welcome to A War of Blood and Steel, your very average WW2 era nation RP. Well, not quite considering that we're playing with some alternate history and alternate nations here. Either way, let's introduce you all to the setting. It's 1938 and the world's still reeling from the aftereffects of the Great War. Borders have been redrawn, ethnicities displaced, extremist ideologies fanned, independences declared and economies crashed. Now the defeated and the betrayed of the last war rear their heads again, beating the drums of war as they prepare to unleash the ever vaster arsenal of modern weapons they have accrued.

Are you one of the defeated, seeking to reclaim what you have lost? One of the betrayed seeking to right a wrong? An opportunist seeing their time to shine? A neutral hoping to survive the coming mess unscathed? Or a victor hoping to maintain the status quo you have fought for so much? Only you can tell and only you can succeed...or fail.

Roleplay Rules

1. The OP is the god of this roleplay. Their word is law.
2. The Co-OP is a saint. In the absence of the OP, heed his word. Also, no bulli because he really is a saint.
3. All NS Rules apply.
4. No OOC writing in the IC.
5. No godmodding.
6. No metagaming.
7. No flaming.
8. No trolling.
9. No harassment.
10. 1 nation per player.
11. This is alternate history. It is up to you whether you are mostly IRL 1937 Sweden, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania or the Hungarian Soviet Republic. Anything goes. Except fully original nations/concepts like, oh, say, Exilvania.
12. As alternate as the history is, a Great War still happened in the 1910s. It may have lasted for different lengths of time in different parts of the world but it happened. Incorporate it into your nations’ histories. Note, we can't all be winners in this or white peacing losers.
13. We’re still having the late 20s/early 30s economic crisis and accompanying social and political upheaval.

Tech Rules

1. In order to avoid cherrypicking, each nation may only pick one "tech tree" of one IRL nation. You are free to cherrypick as much as you'd like from among that nation's designs but you are stuck with their overall design philosophy. This is to ensure that not everyone ends up fielding the same equipment on the battlefield but also to ensure that people don't need to create extremely detailed lists of domestic equipment and one can, if one so wishes, simply defer to what the nation developed IRL.
2. Because I am aware that like any alt-his RP there will be plenty of nations with much more developed industrial bases and the like than IRL, prototypes are open game, including paper prototypes. Yes, you can bring in wacky World of Tanks things.
3. Because I am aware that likely plenty of nations will be so much more industrialized than whatever IRL tech trees they choose, IRL introduction dates for technology need not necessarily apply. Of course this doesn't mean that you should be bringing Maus tanks into 1938. Rather I'd like you to look at your nation's capabilities and then your nation's neighbours and as such the need for such advanced technologies. I am sure you do not require Panthers if you are surrounded by naught but African tribesmen that still use spears in certain cases.
4. I am aware that there is plenty of co-developed or license-produced equipment IRL that blossomed into equipment later attributed to those producing nations. In the interest of broadening tech trees since, to reiterate, I am quite certain there will be more people with plenty more advanced industries in dire need of domestic designs, these designs will simply become...well...domestic designs of those nations.
5. If you'd like to produce something another nation has, I implore you to ask them OOCly or ICly if you are allowed to license produce it. In rare cases I'd be willing to, if both players agree, move a domestic design from one nation to the other in terms of who came up with it.
6. You may produce or have Great War Era equipment of other nations without asking. This is not a domestic invention of yours but much rather signifies equipment captured, purchased or licensed plenty of time ago. Don’t take this as your excuse to go “every third man a Maxim” or something like that. Keep it realistic.
7. Each IRL nation's tech tree can exist up to two times in this setting. Yes, this will hurt your suspension of disbelief but I am certain enough that it hurts suspension of disbelief just as much when near everyone's undoubtedly large, industrialized and scientifically advanced nation is incapable of funding an R/D department capable of granting you your vision of how your nation's very own extensive arms development goes. And since in an althis setting there are probably more than the 5-7 large nations capable of doing so IRL, it's for the best if we double the number and just do our best to ignore the fact that these independently developed arms just so happen to look and work the same. Side note, a nation always has a claim to its own tech tree, regardless how often it has been given out to others. So basically, even if, say, both Spain and Thailand are running the tech tree of Czechoslovakia, someone playing Czechoslovakia or a nation taking up that space may still claim that tree as their own.
8. In real life at this time there existed 7 nations who had R/D departments and capabilities beyond most of the other nations on the planet. These nations are the USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy, UdSSR and Japan. Their tech trees feature a great degree of variety and most of the actually advanced arms technology, which minor nations were struggling due to their smaller sizes and industrial bases. We will call these "Great Power Tech Trees" and ask that you at are at least comparable in terms of population and industrial development to the Great Power whose Tech Tree you seek to claim.

Nation Application

Reservations

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:15 am

Current Roster

ACCEPTED
The Danubian Confederation - Tracian Empire
The Russian State - Kisinger
The Empire of Japan - Sao Nova Europa
The Greater Colombian Republic - Arvenia
The United States of America - Intermountain States
The Kingdom of Hungary - Remnants of Exilvania
The Finno-Ugrian Federation - Nyrisia
The Federal Republic of Central American States - Countesia
The Ostland Concord - Chedastan
The Spanish Empire - Empire of Techkotal
The Republic of China - Elerian
The Kingdom of Italy - Ovstylap
The United Kingdom of the Netherlands - Draos
The Roman State - Krugmar
The Durrani Empire - Theyra
The Dominion of Canada - Pandanarem
The German Democratic Republic - Rygondria
The People's Republic of India - New Neros
The Persian Republic - Asturies-Llion

RESERVED
The East African Commonwealth - Kingdom of England-Wales
The Arab Federation - Greater Liverpool
The Fatimid Caliphate - Old Tyrannia

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:16 am

Reserved

by **Tracian Empire** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:16 am

Reservation

Nation Name: The Danubian Confederation
Territory: Austria, including South Tyrol, Lichtenstein, Istria, Slovenia, Czechia
Tech Tree:The real life Czechoslovak tech tree
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
this should be the reservation form

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:17 am

Reservation

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Hungary
Territory: Hungary's 1941 borders
Tech Tree: Hungarian
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Tracian Empire wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: The Danubian Confederation
Territory: Austria, including South Tyrol, Lichtenstein, Istria, Slovenia, Czechia
Tech Tree:The real life Czechoslovak tech tree
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
this should be the reservation form

Accepted.

by **Empire of Techkotal** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:22 am

Reservation

Nation Name: Spanish Empire
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/snheE9J
Tech Tree: Spanish
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

by **Tracian Empire** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:40 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Hungary
Territory: Hungary's 1941 borders
Tech Tree: Hungarian
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Empire of Techkotal wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Spanish Empire
Territory: https://imgur.com/a/snheE9J
Tech Tree: Spanish
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Reservations accepted

by **Arvenia** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:46 am

Reservation

Nation Name: Greater Colombian Republic (República Gran Colombiana)
Territory: Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Panama, Acre State (Brazil), Roraima State (Brazil), Rondônia State (Brazil) and Amazonas State (Brazil)
Tech Tree: Italian
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:19 am

Arvenia wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Greater Colombian Republic (República Gran Colombiana)
Territory: Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Panama, Acre State (Brazil), Roraima State (Brazil), Rondônia State (Brazil) and Amazonas State (Brazil)
Tech Tree: US
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Hey there Arvenia. Looks like the reboot came, just like you asked for. Albeit a bit late XD

Concerning your reservation, you can have the Brazilian states so long as we get no Brazilian player. You can however not get US tech. The sheer difference in terms of population and industrial development is simply too big, unless you're like writing an alternate history from all the way back in the middle ages to now.

If I may recommend, I think Italy would be a generous fit. Alternatively, the Dutch might do.

by **Arvenia** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:48 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Arvenia wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Greater Colombian Republic (República Gran Colombiana)
Territory: Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Panama, Acre State (Brazil), Roraima State (Brazil), Rondônia State (Brazil) and Amazonas State (Brazil)
Tech Tree: US
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Hey there Arvenia. Looks like the reboot came, just like you asked for. Albeit a bit late XD

Concerning your reservation, you can have the Brazilian states so long as we get no Brazilian player. You can however not get US tech. The sheer difference in terms of population and industrial development is simply too big, unless you're like writing an alternate history from all the way back in the middle ages to now.

If I may recommend, I think Italy would be a generous fit. Alternatively, the Dutch might do.

I'm fine with Italian tech then.

BTW, is it possible to be an Imperial Korea with Japanese tech?

by **Tracian Empire** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:58 am

Arvenia wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Hey there Arvenia. Looks like the reboot came, just like you asked for. Albeit a bit late XD

Concerning your reservation, you can have the Brazilian states so long as we get no Brazilian player. You can however not get US tech. The sheer difference in terms of population and industrial development is simply too big, unless you're like writing an alternate history from all the way back in the middle ages to now.

If I may recommend, I think Italy would be a generous fit. Alternatively, the Dutch might do.

I'm fine with Italian tech then.

BTW, is it possible to be an Imperial Korea with Japanese tech?

Population-wise it would be a bit odd, since even with industrialization and an increased population Korea would still be smaller, but as long as you will take that into account it could work. The situation would otherwise be similar though - Korea lacks important mineral resources so you should start with one or two colonies in South-East Asia and with a similar need for resources like that of Japan.

But yeah, it would be possible.

by **Arvenia** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:22 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Arvenia wrote:I'm fine with Italian tech then.

BTW, is it possible to be an Imperial Korea with Japanese tech?

Population-wise it would be a bit odd, since even with industrialization and an increased population Korea would still be smaller, but as long as you will take that into account it could work. The situation would otherwise be similar though - Korea lacks important mineral resources so you should start with one or two colonies in South-East Asia and with a similar need for resources like that of Japan.

But yeah, it would be possible.

Got it.

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:06 am

So do you want to be Columbia now or Korea?

by **Arvenia** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:15 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:So do you want to be Columbia now or Korea?

Greater Colombian Republic.

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:17 am

Arvenia wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Greater Colombian Republic (República Gran Colombiana)
Territory: Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Panama, Acre State (Brazil), Roraima State (Brazil), Rondônia State (Brazil) and Amazonas State (Brazil)
Tech Tree: Italian
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Accepted.

by **Nyrisia** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:38 am

Reservation

Nation Name:Finno-Ugrian Federarion
Territory: 1919 Finland and Estonia, the Kola Peninsula,
Tech Tree:Finnish
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

by **Honghai** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:54 am

Reservation

Nation Name: Environmentalist Republic of Canada
Territory:

Quebec
Maritime Islands
Prince Edward Island
Newfoundland and Labrador
New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Parts of Ontario
Parts of Nunavut

Tech Tree: Mexican
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

by **Tracian Empire** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:03 am

Honghai wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Environmentalist Republic of Canada
Territory:
Quebec
Maritime Islands
Prince Edward Island
Newfoundland and Labrador
New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Parts of Ontario
Parts of Nunavut
Tech Tree: Mexican
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

What precisely do you mean by "environmentalist"?

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:04 am

Nyrisia wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name:Finno-Ugrian Federarion
Territory: 1919 Finland and Estonia, the Kola Peninsula,
Tech Tree:Finnish
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

Accepted.

by **Honghai** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:14 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Honghai wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Environmentalist Republic of Canada
Territory:
Quebec
Maritime Islands
Prince Edward Island
Newfoundland and Labrador
New Brunswick
Nova Scotia
Parts of Ontario
Parts of Nunavut
Tech Tree: Mexican
#JDMZVUM1QC (Do not delete this, it is used to keep track of the apps)

*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.

What precisely do you mean by "environmentalist"?

The ideologies to the "left" of Technocracy, Futurism, Avant-Garde (etc, etc) that prioritize the saving of the Planet Earth. Humans under Environmentalism are to "live in-Harmony" with Nature instead of "destroying it." Environmentalism really isn't "leftwing" but I consider it to be in this case. Environmentalism holds both the subideologies of Ecofascism and Ecosocialism.

Technically, this ideology or set-of-ideologies shouldn't even exist yet, but I mean, if Technocracy and its ideologies exist, then you kinda have to have its opposite.

by **Honghai** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:19 am

I'd rped a Technocratic Quebec sometime back (not on this acc, on Hypercapital, but why should that matter) so I'm rping an EcoCanada to offset (no pun intended) it.

by **Tracian Empire** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:41 am

Honghai wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:What precisely do you mean by "environmentalist"?

The ideologies to the "left" of Technocracy, Futurism, Avant-Garde (etc, etc) that prioritize the saving of the Planet Earth. Humans under Environmentalism are to "live in-Harmony" with Nature instead of "destroying it." Environmentalism really isn't "leftwing" but I consider it to be in this case. Environmentalism holds both the subideologies of Ecofascism and Ecosocialism.

Technically, this ideology or set-of-ideologies shouldn't even exist yet, but I mean, if Technocracy and its ideologies exist, then you kinda have to have its opposite.

It's 1938, so I feel like it's way too early for it. There would be environmentalists and some movements but they would be mostly organized simply as groups dedicated for the protection of nature, they wouldn't be a political movement or a political ideology strong and popular enough in order to become the leading system of a nation.

You could play as a left-wing Canadian state that follows one of the main leftist ideologies at the time and which also adopts environmentalist policies perhaps, but I don't think that environmentalism by itself would be valid or popular enough in order to be the main ideology of a nation.

by **Honghai** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:36 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Honghai wrote:
The ideologies to the "left" of Technocracy, Futurism, Avant-Garde (etc, etc) that prioritize the saving of the Planet Earth. Humans under Environmentalism are to "live in-Harmony" with Nature instead of "destroying it." Environmentalism really isn't "leftwing" but I consider it to be in this case. Environmentalism holds both the subideologies of Ecofascism and Ecosocialism.

Technically, this ideology or set-of-ideologies shouldn't even exist yet, but I mean, if Technocracy and its ideologies exist, then you kinda have to have its opposite.

It's 1938, so I feel like it's way too early for it. There would be environmentalists and some movements but they would be mostly organized simply as groups dedicated for the protection of nature, they wouldn't be a political movement or a political ideology strong and popular enough in order to become the leading system of a nation.

You could play as a left-wing Canadian state that follows one of the main leftist ideologies at the time and which also adopts environmentalist policies perhaps, but I don't think that environmentalism by itself would be valid or popular enough in order to be the main ideology of a nation.

Alright. I'll take it.

by **Arvenia** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:41 pm

Hold Up!!!

Why are Acre, Rondonia, Roraima and Brazilian Amazonas not part of Gran Colombia on the map?

by **Remnants of Exilvania** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:49 pm

Arvenia wrote:Hold Up!!!

Why are Acre, Rondonia, Roraima and Brazilian Amazonas not part of Gran Colombia on the map?

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Concerning your reservation, you can have the Brazilian states so long as we get no Brazilian player. You can however not get US tech. The sheer difference in terms of population and industrial development is simply too big, unless you're like writing an alternate history from all the way back in the middle ages to now.

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