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American Politics XI: No Moe Roe(Likely, Anyway)

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Will the likely SCOTUS ruling on Dobbs v. Jackson change the dynamics of the Midterms?

Yes
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No
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A Bit of Both
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Don't Know
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American Politics XI: No Moe Roe(Likely, Anyway)

Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:27 pm

Our last thread

Apologies to Sutalia for getting rid of his title, but events overtook us.

'tis Early May, and a SCOTUS leak(something that hasn't happened since the 1960s and will have a lot of consequences in and of itself) has exposed that Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 SCOTUS ruling that legalised abortion nationwide, will likely be over turned 5-4 by the current court in Dobbs v. Jackson. How this will change the dynamic of the Midterms, with Primary Season rolling in earnest, remains to be seen.

In the meantime, have fun, play nice, enjoy the constant repetition of arguments from some of our longer term posters, and don't forget to floss. And make sure you have a comfortable bed that won't leave you a pain-ridden stiff wreck. Thank you. Oh, and enjoy the poll. I thought it would make a nice change and couldn't think of anything else that hasn't already been recently done.

Plebiscite Plaza 2022:

Our first Amendment comes on May 24. This would amend the state constitution to issue $85 million in bonds to improve, renovate, and otherwise maintain all state parks($80 million) and state historical monuments and sites($5 million). All of them, that is, except for the Confederate Memorital Park in Marbury, which was specifically excepted for obvious reasons.

All Alabama's other amendments come in November. The first would remove Orphans' Business from the purview of county probate courts. Since Orphans' Business refers to county orphanages(which don't exist anymore), it's a likely pass.

Number two is also referred to as "Aniah's Law" after Aniah Blanchard, who was killed in 2019 by someone who was out on bail despite being indicted for kidnapping, robbery, and attempted murder. Alabama doesn't currently allow remanding suspects without bail, but this amendment would change that, allowing it at a Judge's discretion for most violent crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism, etc.

Number three would require any legislation that changes the conduct of a general election to be fully implemented at least six months before that election takes place.

Number four would allow certain cities that were already authorised to levy a property tax to pay for capital improvement bonds to use revenue from that tax to pay for such improvements directly without bonds.

Numbers five and six involve the recompiled state constitution. Number five would ask the voters whether or not to ratify the recompiled state constitution as was required in 2020. It consolidates economic development provisions, arranges county amendments by county in alphabetical order, and removes racist language among other things. If number five passes, number six would authorise the state Code Commissioner to do the actual recompiling of articles and amendments to the constitution.

Number seven would allow the state or local governments to grant federal award funds or state funds marked for broadband internet infrastructure to public or private entities that plan to expand, provide, or introduce broadband. Any local government doing this would have to have the measure approved by the town or county in question.

Number eight would make some changes to the 772nd Amendment(that's not a typo) to the State Constitution, passed in 2004. The Amendment gives counties and municipalities the right to purchase, lend, or lease property for economic and industrial development and to transfer that property to private companies and it says that bonds may be issued for that purpose. It makes two significant changes, first requiring all bond issue questions be subject to a public vote(a constitutional requirement for most other bonds under Section 222 of the Constitution that cities and counties are allowed to ignore under the amendment), and changing publication requirements to a newspaper in the city or county rather than the newspaper with the largest circulation.

Number nine would require the Governor to notify the Attorney General and the families of any victims before commuting the death sentence of a convicted felon.

Alaska will be voting on whether or not to have a Constitutional Convention as they must every 10 years.

Measure number one would modify 2006's Prop 300, which barred all non-citizens from certain state benefits. This would amend that to allow non-citizens to receive in-state tuition at colleges and universities if they graduated from an Arizona school that they had attended for at least two years.

Measure number two would amend the constitution to allow the legislature to repeal or amend any ballot measures or provisions of measures that have been found to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS or the Arizona State Supreme Court.

Measure number three would constitutionally impose a single-subject rule on all citizen-initiated ballot measures.

Measure number four would stiffen voter ID requirements. First, a date of birth and voter's identification number would be required alongside a signature for future mail-in ballots, and ballots can be rejected if they don't match existing records. Second, a current two-document exemption to those without photo ID would be repealed, thus requiring photo ID as the only acceptable voter ID for in-person voting.

Measure number one would amend the Constitution to require all constitutional amendments and citizen initiatives to have 60%+1 to pass. Currently, only a simple majority is required.

Number two is an amendment that would allow the state legislature to call itself into special sessions if a joint proclamation is signed by the House Speaker and the Senate President Pro Tempore or if it's signed by two-thirds of both houses.

Number three is an amendment that would guarantee that, "government shall not burden a person's freedom of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability."

This first proposition would legalise sports betting at First Nations Casinos and racetracks and tax all revenue from it at 10%. It would also allow Native casinos to have roulette and dice games for the first time.

Number two would raise the cap on noneconomic damages in malpractice lawsuits. The cap has been set at $250,000 since 1975, and this measure would adjust it for inflation to 2022 money and grant judges and juries the right to award above the cap in the event of catastrophic injuries. Catastrophic injuries include death, permanent mental or physical disability, disfigurement, or sexual disability(termed permanent loss of consortium in legal jargon).

Number three would allow CalRecycle, the state recycling authority, to impose extra regulations and taxes to reduce single-use plastics. All companies would have to ensure that their plastics can be recycled, reused, or composted by 2030, all producers would have to eliminate any and all single-use plastics that CalRecycle determines are unnecessary for products, single-use packaging and foodware would have to be reduced across the board by 25% by 2030, recycled and renewable materials would be required in the production of single-use packaging, CalRecycle would be required to establish plastic goods deposits and more take-back programmes statewide, labeling standards for sorting discarded single-use packaging would be established and imposed, food vendors would be expressly prohibited from using expanded polystyrene in packaging, and a new fee would be imposed on single-use packaging called the California Plastic Pollution Reduction Fee. This new tax would be maxed at one cent per item with CalRecycle having the right to set it anywhere below that. 50% of all money from it would go to CalRecycle to enforce the measure, 30% would go to the CNRA for grants for things like habitat restoration and mitigating plastic-based habitat destruction, and 20% would go to local government for recycling, compoting, and plastic mitigation measures.

Number four is a veto measure. Back in 2020, California passed SB793, which bans the sale of flavoured tobacco except for loose leaf and hookah tobacco and premium cigars, effectively a ban on flavoured vapes and menthols. The tobacco industry has managed to get this veto measure on the ballot, however, so a Yes vote will uphold the bill while a No will reject it.

This measure would decrease the state income tax rate for individuals and corporations from 4.55% to 4.4% until the end of 2024.

The second measure would amend the constitution to designate judges who currently serve in Colorado's 18th Judicial District to serve in the newly established 23rd District(consisting of Douglas, Elbert, and Lincoln Counties just south and southeast of Denver and going into existence in 2025) and establish a residency requirement like all the other districts.

The third measure would extend an existing homestead property tax exemption measure for disabled veterans to the surviving spouses of those killed in action or who died from a service-related injury or illness if the spouse receives dependency indemnity payments from the VA.

The fourth measure would amend the constitution to make changes to charitable gaming. First, it would repeal a current ban on paying manages and operators of these games and allow them to be paid minimum wage starting January 1, 2024. Second, it would reduce the time an organisation has to exist to get a charitable gaming licence to three years from the current five until 2025, when the Legislature would have full authority over how long they would exist.

Connecticut is voting on an amendment that would allow for early voting.

Amendment 1 would allow the legislature to pass laws that forbid counties from taking flood mitigation measures into account when valuing properties for taxation purposes.

Amendment 2 would disband Florida's infamous Constitution Revision Commission, the one that gave us those oddly matched amendments in 2018.

Amendment 3 would allow the state legislature to grant a new homestead property tax exemption of $50,000 on public service workers such as teachers, law enforcement, EMT and fire personnel, active duty military or national guard, and child welfare workers.

Georgia's first ballot measure would amend the constitution to suspend compensation for elected state executives or legislative members if they've been suspended from office due to a felony indictment.

Georgia's second ballot measure would expand a current personal property tax exemption for farm equipment. First, it would expand it to allow any entity that's a merger of multiple family farms. Second, eggs and dairy products would also be exempt from such taxes.

Georgia's third ballot measure would amend the constitution to allow local governments to grant temporary property tax relief if a property was damaged or destroyed in a federally designated disaster area.

Georgia's fourth ballot measure would exempt timbering equipment owned by timber producers from property taxes.

Idaho will vote to amend their constitution to allow the State Legislature to convene itself for a special session if the Senate President Pro Tempore and the House Speaker receive a written request with at least 60% of both houses signatures. The legislature would only be allowed to discuss any topics mentioned in the request. The Legislature would also be allowed to convene on the first Thursday in December following a general elections for an organisational session.

Illinois will be voting to amend its constitution to guarantee the right to collective bargaining and negotiation.

Iowa will be voting to add a right to bear arms to their constitution and require strict scrutiny of any infringement of that right brought before a court.

On August 2, Kansas will be voting on an amendment that states that there is no right to an abortion in the state constitution. Back in 2019, the Kansas Supreme Court said that their bill of rights did, in fact, guarantee such a right, this would supersede that.

In November, another amendment would allow the Legislature to revoke or suspend any rules or regulations passed by executive agencies by majority vote. The Governor would not be allowed to veto these laws if passed.

Another amendment would require every county with a sheriff(which is every county except Riley County[Manhattan], which abolished their sheriff's office in 1974)to require that the position is an elected one with four-year terms. The voters would have the right to recall a sheriff if they submit a petition with at least 40% of the voters from the previous sheriff's election. They could also be removed if the State Attorney General issues a Quo Warranto(a writ questioning their ability or authority).

Kentucky's first proposed amendment would change end dates for the commonwealth legislature. First, the legislature would be allowed to change its own end date via approval of 60% of both houses. Second, the House Speaker and Senate President would have the right to call a special session up to 12 days long. Third, all laws would take effect either on July 1 or 90 days after the Governor signed them into law, whichever's later.

The second proposed amendment is another measure that would expressly deny the right to an abortion in the constitution.

Amendment number one would allow taxing authorities, by a two-thirds vote, to raise property tax rates to the maximum allowed by the constitution. Currently, they're only allowed to raise them to last year's maximum, which the state determines every four years with homestead exemptions considered.

Amendment number two would allow local governments to waive monthly water rates for people if water infrastructure was damaged through no fault of the customers(i.e., hurricane-based pipe damage).

Amendment number three would limit the increase in property values in Orleans Parish to 10% annually starting in 2023.

Amendment number four would allow five funds(The Louisiana Education Quality Trust Fund, the Artificial Reef Development Fund, the Lifetime Licence Endowment Trust Fund, the Rockefeller Wildlife Refuge Trust and Protection Fund, and the Russell Sage or Marsh Island Refuge Fund-either one), to invest up to 65% of their money into stocks. Currently, they're limited to 35%.

Amendment number five would allow civil or classified servants to publicly support the election campaigns of immediate family members when off duty.

Maryland's first amendment would change the name of the Maryland Court of Appeals to the Supreme Court of Maryland. It would also change the name of the Court of Special Appeals to the Appellate Court of Maryland.

Amendment number two would change how much money in controversy needed to guarantee a jury trial in civil cases. The minimum limit would go up to $25,000 from the current $15,000.

Amendment number three would require that people running for state or federal office would have to have their primary residence in the district they plan to stand for for at least six months, thus changing the requirement from simply having a residence of some sort in the district. It also changes all language in the constitution to gender-neutral language.

Amendment number four would legalise marijuana for all people over age 21 effective July 1, 2023. It would also direct the legislature to pass the necessary laws for regulation, taxation, usage, and distribution.

Amendment number five would merge the circuit and orphan's courts in Howard County by requiring the three circuit court judges serve as orphan's court judges and remove the election requirement for the orphan's court. Both the state and the county would have to approve this measure, required because Maryland has a strict structure for their courts and counties have to get amendments to change it for their needs.

Massachusetts is voting on an amendment that would create a new 4% income tax for all incomes over $1 million. This tax would go to education and transportation.

Michigan is voting on an amendment that would change state legislative term limits to 12 years combined in both houses as opposed to the current three two-year terms in the House and two four-year terms in the Senate. The amendment also requires elected legislators and state executives to file annual financial disclosure statements on income, assets and liabilities, gifts from lobbyists, agreements on future employment, travel reimbursements, and positions held in certain orgainsations. The Legislature would not be allowed to limit or restrict these disclosures

First, there's Amendment 1. This would allow the State Treasurer to invest state money into any of the top five highest-rates long-term or short-term municipal securities. It would also allow the State Legislature to pass laws to allow the Treausrer to invest in other securities.

Second, there's an automatic convention question, which Missouri gets every 20 years.

Third, there's an amendment that would create a new cabinet office and department of Secretary of the National Guard, who would be appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate.

First, C-48 would amend the constitution to require search warrants to access electronic data and communications.

Second, LR-131 would implement a "born alive" law in Montana, stating all people born alive are people and would require care for them even in the event of an attempted abortion. Violations of this law would result in a maximum of 20 years imprisonment and/or a $50,000 fine.

Nebraska's voting on an amendment that would let cities or counties who own airports spend and raise revenue to let those airports expand or introduce commercial passenger flights. Currently, Nebraska's the only state that doesn't allow this.

First, there's a measure that would create a fourth tax bracket for casinos(the gamblers aren't being taxed, just the casinos themselves). All gross revenue above $250,000 a year would be taxed at 9.75%. Currently, the highest tax rate is 6.75% for all gross revenue over $134,000.

Second, another tax measure would raise the state's Local School Support Tax, a sales tax, up to 3.75% from 2.25%. With a 2015 sales tax added, state sales tax would now be 4.1%. Keep in mind, this measure and the one above were both sponsored by the Clark County Education Association, who had actually tried to withdraw them both after a mining tax increase gave them the money they needed. The Secretary of State, however, said that the measured had already been certified and couldn't be withdrawn.

Third, an ERA is being proposed for Nevada, an amendment that would ban discrimination on the basis of sex, race, colour, creed, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, disability, ancestry, or national origin.

Fourth, a proposal would raise the minimum wage to $12 per hour by 2024(currently its $12 for people without employer-based health benefits and $11 for people with it), but it would also remove the current annual inflation adjustments to the wage. It would also allow the legislature to set higher minimum wages than the constitutional minimum.

Another convention vote as required every 10 years.

New Mexico's voting on an amendment that would require 1.25% of the Land Grant Permanent Fund(the state's education fund made up of investment returns and royalties and leases on things like oil and natural gas) to go to early childhood education(60%) and public education in general(40%). This would mean that 6.25% is altogether being dedicated to certain funds and projects.

Another amendment being considered would require appellate judges who were appointed to fill vacancies to be up for election in the first general election after they've served a full year. Currently, they have to go up for election at the next general election regardless of whether they've served a year, a month, etc.

Their third proposed amendment would allow the legislature to appropriate state funds for household services infrastructure(internet access, water, electricity, gas) through a majority vote.

SQ Insert Number Here would amend the constitution to reorganise the state's judicial system. Currently, the Governor chooses supreme court justices, Criminal Appeals Court justices, and intermediate appellate judges from a list presented by the Oklahoma Judicial Nominating Commission, which has 15 members chosen by the Governor, Legislative leaders the Oklahoma Bar Association, and one by the commission itself. Only six of these members can be lawyers. The Chief Justice is chosen by the supreme court justices themselves. This proposed amendment would make all of that a thing of the past. Now, all of these judges would be appointed by the Governor and be confirmed by the State Senate. Thereafter, they would face retention elections every six years. May see changes, will update accordingly

The first amendment would "ensure that every resident of Oregon has access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care as a fundamental right."

The second amendment would remove slavery as a possible punishment for crime and authorise courts or probation agencies to order alternatives to imprisonment as part of sentencing convicts.

Amendment C, to be decided on June 7, would require any ballot measure that increases taxes or fees or requires to state to appropriate more than $10 million within the first five fiscal years to be passed by 60%+1 of voters.

In November, Amendment D would increase Medicaid access to ACA levels.

Measure number one would add a Right-to-Work Amendment to Tennessee's Constitution. Tennessee already has a similar law banning union membership as a requirement for employment.

Measure number two would remove slavery as a punishment for convicts.

Measure number three would set up an order for an Acting Governor. Tennessee is the only state that still does not have any constitutional provisions for an Acting Governor if the sitting Governor is temporarily unable to carry out their duty. The Governor could send a letter to both legislative leaders, or a majority of executive agencies could approve a measure declaring unfitness. Either way, the Senate Speaker and Lieutenant Governor would take over as Acting Governor.

Measure number four would lift a state constitutional ban on religious ministers, priests, pastors, rabbi, imams, etc., running for the Legislature.

Unusual, but they passed a couple of measures that came too late for a odd-year vote and will appear on May 7. First, Prop 1 would reduce the tax limit for school maintenance and operations on homesteads of elderly or disabled residents in accordance with a law passed last year. APPROVED

Second, Prop 2 would raise the homestead exemption for school property taxes to $40,000 from the current $25,000. APPROVED

Utah will vote an amendment that would raise the limit on appropriations made during emergency legislative sessions. The limit would go up to 5% of the previous year's budget from the current 1%. Federal funding would be exempt as would anything that decreases total spending for the year.

Proposal 2 would repeal certain language that allows slavery or indentured servitude as a criminal punishment or as a method of paying debts, effectively closing what's known as the "convict loophole."

Proposal 5 would amend the constitution to protect the right to personal reproductive autonomy and ensure that it cannot be infringed by the state without a compelling interest.

Amendment number one would state that no state court has any authority over any impeachments made by the legislature and that no court can review such impeachments.

Amendment number two would allow the legislature to incorporate churches and religious denominations. West Virginia is the only state that still doesn't have such authority.

Amendment number three would any personal property used for businesses from property taxes.

Amendment number four would requite the State Board of Education to submit any proposed rules or rule changes to the Legislature so it can amend, reject, or approve them.

Amendment A would allow local governments to invest their money into stocks upon a two-thirds vote of the legislature. They would need a similar approval to increase the amount of funds being invested.

Amendment B would raise the retirement age for district court judges and state supreme court justices from 70 to 75.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:28 pm

Jinping to Conclusions


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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:30 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Jinping to Conclusions


Goddamnit.


Hey, the previous thread said it was the winner, so here it is.
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Postby Umeria » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:32 pm

What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:35 pm

Umeria wrote:What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?


I'm not sure I have an answer to that one. Ultimately, it depends on just how bad "the Bad Party" becomes and how many people are still willing to embrace it.
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Postby Adamede » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:40 pm

Umeria wrote:What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?

Everyone who has ever and will ever existed.

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Postby Space Squid » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:43 pm

Umeria wrote:What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?

Whatever percentage believe in Young Earth Creationism. At least as a rough approximation of Americans who are in total rebellion against reality. Not everyone who believes in that nonsense is "too far gone," some of them can be reached, but there's also some people outside of that group who are "too far gone," and I suspect that evens it out.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:44 pm

Umeria wrote:What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?


I would like to point out it is one of our two major political parties that their voters believe that the most recent presidential election was “stolen“ from them and refused to formally reprimand members of sad party for speaking at white nationalist conferences
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It's a new thread already?
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Pasong Tirad wrote:
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Goddamnit.

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:11 pm

Umeria wrote:What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?


I don't believe anyone is "too far gone" but that doesn't mean there aren't people who will continue spiraling downward. There's no unifying force, no shared identity, and so the division will only get deeper.

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:17 pm

Does anyone trust internal campaign polls? Reason that I ask is because the governor's mansion in New York could turn to the GOP, if said polls are trustworthy. It would be the biggest shock to state politics in decades.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:19 pm

Sutalia wrote:Does anyone trust internal campaign polls? Reason that I ask is because the governor's mansion in New York could turn to the GOP, if said polls are trustworthy. It would be the biggest shock to state politics in decades.


No Hochul is winning the primary and general unless Cuomo somehow gets the nomination or runs as an independent.

I doubt he’s going to run.

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:22 pm

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Sutalia wrote:Does anyone trust internal campaign polls? Reason that I ask is because the governor's mansion in New York could turn to the GOP, if said polls are trustworthy. It would be the biggest shock to state politics in decades.


No Hochul is winning the primary and general unless Cuomo somehow gets the nomination or runs as an independent.

I doubt he’s going to run.

If precedent holds firm, yes, Hochul is the likely winner. However, there is no reason to dismiss the potential for Lee Zeldin to win. Mario Cuomo made a similar mistake once.
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Postby Neu California » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:24 pm

Number four is a veto measure. Back in 2020, California passed SB793, which bans the sale of flavoured tobacco except for loose leaf and hookah tobacco and premium cigars, effectively a ban on flavoured vapes and menthols. The tobacco industry has managed to get this veto measure on the ballot, however, so a Yes vote will uphold the bill while a No will reject it.


This doesn't seem deliberately confusing at all...
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:28 pm

Would changing the party in power prevent the Ukraine situation?

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:31 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:Would changing the party in power prevent the Ukraine situation?

Probably not.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:33 pm

Sutalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No Hochul is winning the primary and general unless Cuomo somehow gets the nomination or runs as an independent.

I doubt he’s going to run.

If precedent holds firm, yes, Hochul is the likely winner. However, there is no reason to dismiss the potential for Lee Zeldin to win. Mario Cuomo made a similar mistake once.


True. New York was a different state then though. It was still a swing state. It no longer is.

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Postby Sutalia » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sutalia wrote:If precedent holds firm, yes, Hochul is the likely winner. However, there is no reason to dismiss the potential for Lee Zeldin to win. Mario Cuomo made a similar mistake once.


True. New York was a different state then though. It was still a swing state. It no longer is.

It wasn't a swing state, it was still lopsided in favor of the Democratic Party. It was just mildly less skewed before.
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Postby Eahland » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pm

Umeria wrote:What portion of Americans do you guys think are "too far gone" politically? Is it a small fringe? Most or all of the people who vote for the Bad Party? Everyone except you?

There seems to be a hard floor of around 20-25% of people who will agree with any given proposition, no matter how utterly batshit. Some of them are just trolling; others are True Believers.

What concerns me is the possibility that it's not always the same 20-25%.
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Postby Deblar » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:46 pm

New thread, nice

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:02 pm

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Jesus fuck. Getting rid of the time change is good — it literally kills people — but going to fake time year round is just dumb. We should switch back to actual time in the fall and stay there.

Most Americans don’t care and just want the time to stop changing. Besides it won’t take effect until November of 2023.

Either way it doesn’t effect me so I really don’t care, though if it does pass I’ll be permanently on the Pacific time zone
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eahland wrote:Jesus fuck. Getting rid of the time change is good — it literally kills people — but going to fake time year round is just dumb. We should switch back to actual time in the fall and stay there.

Most Americans don’t care and just want the time to stop changing. Besides it won’t take effect until November of 2023.

Either way it doesn’t effect me so I really don’t care, though if it does pass I’ll be permanently on the Pacific time zone


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