NATION

PASSWORD

Taiwan Invasion?: Is United States Going to War With China?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Is Usa Going To War With China?

Yes, Tensions Are Very High
25
19%
Maybe, Tensions Are Going Steady A Bit
79
60%
Tensions Between The Nations are Very Little
21
16%
No, Tensions With Usa And China Are No Such Thing.
7
5%
 
Total votes : 132

User avatar
Araznan
Envoy
 
Posts: 227
Founded: Feb 12, 2022
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Taiwan Invasion?: Is United States Going to War With China?

Postby Araznan » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:01 pm

The Forum Thread For The Possible War With USA And China.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1895, Japan Had Won The First Sino-Japan War, And Took Control Over
Taiwan, But After Japan Lost ww2 They Lost The Land to China,
And so The Republic Of China Was Formed.

But in the next few years After WW2 a civil war broke out in China, and the then-leader Chiang Kai-shek's troops were beaten back by Mao Zedong's Communist armies.
And Chiang Had to Flee To Taiwan, and Mao Formed The Communist, Peoples Republic Of China.



Relations between China and Taiwan started improving in the 1980s. China put forward a formula, known as "one country, two systems", under which Taiwan would be given significant autonomy if it accepted Chinese reunification.

But Taiwan Refused The Offer, But Relaxed The rules on visits to and investment in China.
And In 1991 It Claimed The War with The PROC Was Over.

And in 2000, when Taiwan elected Chen Shui-bian as president, Beijing was alarmed. Mr Chen had openly backed "independence".
And Chen Was re-elected As President in 2004, the same year Beijing passed the anti-secession law, stating China's right to use "non-peaceful means" against Taiwan if it tried to "secede" from China.


Throughout 2018, China stepped up pressure on international companies, forcing them to list Taiwan as a part of China on their websites and threatening to block them for doing business in China if they failed to comply.


My Opinion on this Matter is For China Too Let go Of Taiwan, give them Freedom and Allow them to Live free from china,
Elect There Own Presidents And Have There Own Country Independant.
Last edited by Araznan on Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:11 am, edited 4 times in total.
Araznan, Raider delegate of the Eternal Order
▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰
A Democratic Monarchy, ruled By the High King Cyprian.

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 110698
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:09 pm

This seems rather thin. You stop in the 1990s, 30 years ago. Please add more background.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

User avatar
Araznan
Envoy
 
Posts: 227
Founded: Feb 12, 2022
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Araznan » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:16 pm

Farnhamia wrote:This seems rather thin. You stop in the 1990s, 30 years ago. Please add more background.


Hope My New edit Works good For you.
Araznan, Raider delegate of the Eternal Order
▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰▱▰
A Democratic Monarchy, ruled By the High King Cyprian.

User avatar
Farnhamia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 110698
Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:18 pm

Araznan wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:This seems rather thin. You stop in the 1990s, 30 years ago. Please add more background.


Hope My New edit Works good For you.

It's considered polite for you to state your opinion and say why. Two, three pages, single-spaced, footnotes at the bottom of the page, nothing too elaborate. No, but really, you should.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

User avatar
Heloin
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25320
Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Heloin » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:38 pm

Probably not.
Honkbal Hoofdklasse on my radio tonight, I hear the team announcements and I know the time is right
And I know I mustn't say it though I feel it in the air, a home run for Rotterdam's Dirk van Beer!


Proudly Zimbabwean | Industrial Workers of the World | Armenian Red Cross | Help Gaza's Children
Harmless Historical Nut | Space Pirate | Nana's Attic Rabbit DJ

User avatar
Free Algerstonia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1259
Founded: Jan 16, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:14 pm

we should never invade the republic of china
if the democratic party is so cool then why is arnold schwarzenegger a republican

User avatar
Nemidia
Envoy
 
Posts: 216
Founded: Feb 23, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Nemidia » Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:18 pm

To be entirely honest, I think the US and China would need a very, very good reason to go to war, they are far to economically intertwined to do it haphazardly

User avatar
Cetacea
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6523
Founded: Apr 27, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Cetacea » Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:08 pm

Taiwan Is Taiwan

Both RoC and PRC should piss off back to China and leave Independent Taiwan alone

But no the US and China won’t go to war - that’s not good for the profit margins of either cartel.

User avatar
Vikanias
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1837
Founded: May 01, 2020
New York Times Democracy

Postby Vikanias » Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:16 pm

Hopefully not. But if it does…

Glory to the CCP!
Last edited by Vikanias on Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition! Can’t afford to be a politician!

HONK HONK

User avatar
Space Squid
Diplomat
 
Posts: 806
Founded: Feb 04, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Space Squid » Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:45 pm

Yes. But not until 2066.
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠔⠒⠒⠠⠄⢠
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣁⠴⠛⠋⠀⠀⡎
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠔⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⡎⠰⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠜⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡼⠒⠁⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⢀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣶⡓⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠜⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⢠⣪⠖⠒⢮⣢⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⢊⢕⣢⡌⢦⠀⢤⣠⠔⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⢳⣴⠷⠃⠔⣒⠚⠇⡢⠠⠤⠺⠃⠘⢞⣋⠅⢠⠧⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⡀⠀⣔⣕⣁⣤⣬⢦⣤⣭⠤⢂⡀⠀⣀⡀⠔⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠉⢋⡿⢛⣭⣴⣶⡿⢉⣤⣴⣿⠀⠁⡇⠀⢀⠠⠤⠀⠤⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⣮⠁⣾⠟⠉⠀⢰⡘⡿⠁⣿⣄⠣⡍⠉⠔⠊⠉⠉⢱⡼⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠿⠀⢹⠀⢀⣼⠟⠉⢊⠆⠻⣿⢓⠪⠥⡂⢄⠀⠀⢗⢅⣀⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠘⡹⡉⠀⢸⣟⠀⢀⢜⠆⠀⠹⣻⢦⡀⠈⡄⡇⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠈⠺⢄⠀⠹⡆⠻⠁⠀⢀⡴⡹⠀⠻⣄⣽⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⢱⣜⣦⠀⠀⠀⢠⡗⠉⠀⠀⠀⢩⡌⠙⢳⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⢽⣿⠀⠀⠀⠈⠓⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠫⣛⡄⠀⢀⢴⣾⣗⡶⢠⡴⠗⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⠀⠈⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀

User avatar
Shofercia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31339
Founded: Feb 22, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:14 am

Doubtful. China's not going to go beyond Taiwan, and the US isn't going to fight for Taiwan. Although I have to admit, this thread reads like a "you may also like this war" suggestion.
Come, learn about Russian Culture! Bring Vodka and Ushanka. Interested in Slavic Culture? Fill this out.
Stonk Power! (North) Kosovo is (a de facto part of) Serbia and Crimea is (a de facto part of) Russia
I used pronouns until the mods made using wrong pronouns warnable, so I use names instead; if you see malice there, that's entirely on you, and if pronouns are no longer warnable, I'll go back to using them

User avatar
Chan Island
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6540
Founded: Nov 26, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Chan Island » Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:35 am

Not right now- China has too much to lose and the US is busy with Russia’s insanity.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

User avatar
Southern Republic of Dixie
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 129
Founded: Nov 03, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Southern Republic of Dixie » Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:22 am

Chan Island wrote:Not right now- China has too much to lose and the US is busy with Russia’s insanity.

I much more think the Chinese looking for a way to get new land would help Russia. Than usa would be forced to intervene.

But as of right now no... But it is getting close to USA Vs China any year now. Or a collapse of one of the three powers.
Last edited by Southern Republic of Dixie on Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
Pro Southern Modern Independence
Centrist Southerner
All races are Equal
Condemn the KKK
LGBTQA Right's
Anti-Slavery Anti-Fascist Anti-Communist
Innocent till proven guilty.

My Nation Facts.

User avatar
Adamede
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6913
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Adamede » Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:56 am

Depends entirely if China invades Taiwan or not.
22yo male. Like most everyone else my opinions are garbage.

Pro: Democracy, 1st & 2nd Amendments, Science, Conservation, Nuclear, universal healthcare, Equality regardless of race, creed, or sexual orientation.
Neutral : Feminism, anarchism
Anti: Left and Right wing authoritarianism, religious extremists & theocracy, monarchy, nanny & surveillance states

User avatar
North Korea Kingdom
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: Mar 01, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby North Korea Kingdom » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:29 pm

Yes, due to Russia Invading Ukraine, it would be good cover for china to invade taiwan.

User avatar
Kubra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15570
Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Kubra » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:53 pm

Shofercia wrote:Doubtful. China's not going to go beyond Taiwan, and the US isn't going to fight for Taiwan. Although I have to admit, this thread reads like a "you may also like this war" suggestion.
Conversely, China is not going to fight for Taiwan, because bombs and artillery is for places where you can cash in on the land, not the infrastructure.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

User avatar
Hamidiye
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1133
Founded: Jan 06, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hamidiye » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:50 pm

North Korea Kingdom wrote:Yes, due to Russia Invading Ukraine, it would be good cover for china to invade taiwan.


Psssht, comrade! Remember your orders!
Cives, floreat Europa
Opus magnum vocat vos
Stellae signa sunt in caelo
Aureae, quae iungant nos
-ПТН--ХЛО-
☪ 1881 - 193∞!
Pro: Social Authoritarianism, Kemalism, Militarism. Contra: liberalism, capitalism, communism, progressivism, religion

[ kebab intensifies ]
factbook link

User avatar
Adamede
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6913
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Adamede » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:59 pm

Cetacea wrote:Taiwan Is Taiwan

Both RoC and PRC should piss off back to China and leave Independent Taiwan alone

But no the US and China won’t go to war - that’s not good for the profit margins of either cartel.

Can’t separate the RoC from Taiwan at this point.
22yo male. Like most everyone else my opinions are garbage.

Pro: Democracy, 1st & 2nd Amendments, Science, Conservation, Nuclear, universal healthcare, Equality regardless of race, creed, or sexual orientation.
Neutral : Feminism, anarchism
Anti: Left and Right wing authoritarianism, religious extremists & theocracy, monarchy, nanny & surveillance states

User avatar
Adamede
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6913
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Adamede » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:00 pm

Shofercia wrote:Doubtful. China's not going to go beyond Taiwan, and the US isn't going to fight for Taiwan. Although I have to admit, this thread reads like a "you may also like this war" suggestion.

Taiwan is a key US asset in containing the PRC. And the Chinese have big ambitions in the western pacific.
22yo male. Like most everyone else my opinions are garbage.

Pro: Democracy, 1st & 2nd Amendments, Science, Conservation, Nuclear, universal healthcare, Equality regardless of race, creed, or sexual orientation.
Neutral : Feminism, anarchism
Anti: Left and Right wing authoritarianism, religious extremists & theocracy, monarchy, nanny & surveillance states

User avatar
Hamidiye
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1133
Founded: Jan 06, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hamidiye » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:02 pm

Adamede wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Doubtful. China's not going to go beyond Taiwan, and the US isn't going to fight for Taiwan. Although I have to admit, this thread reads like a "you may also like this war" suggestion.

Taiwan is a key US asset in containing the PRC. And the Chinese have big ambitions in the western pacific.


Oh please, the PRC isn't as ignorant as Putin is. This thread should be closed.
Cives, floreat Europa
Opus magnum vocat vos
Stellae signa sunt in caelo
Aureae, quae iungant nos
-ПТН--ХЛО-
☪ 1881 - 193∞!
Pro: Social Authoritarianism, Kemalism, Militarism. Contra: liberalism, capitalism, communism, progressivism, religion

[ kebab intensifies ]
factbook link

User avatar
Pasong Tirad
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11371
Founded: May 31, 2007
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:44 pm

Any possible invasion will be preceded by a crisis not too dissimilar from the one that preceded the Ukraine invasion. The PRC will ramp up its pressure on Taiwan to accept reunification through the one country, two systems principle (perhaps with some big amendments, if Taiwan by that time actually looks like it may be slightly more willing to accept reunification). The military buildup in southern China will also be spotted a mile away.

Most importantly, the first country to sound the alarm that something big is going to happen will be Taiwan. So, when the Taiwanese government says so, that's when we should be concerned - which isn't to say we shouldn't care, but just that we should try not to warmonger and cause panic unnecessarily when Taiwan doesn't want us to.

As for the U.S. going to war with China, I doubt it but I suppose it's possible. It will have to depend on how willing the American public is to support a war, and how thirsty American corporations are to profit off of a war (military-industrial complex by selling weapons, media by getting more viewers from wartime reporting, etc.).
Last edited by Pasong Tirad on Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:07 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Peace Freeland
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 18
Founded: Feb 12, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Peace Freeland » Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:11 pm

Adamede wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Doubtful. China's not going to go beyond Taiwan, and the US isn't going to fight for Taiwan. Although I have to admit, this thread reads like a "you may also like this war" suggestion.

Taiwan is a key US asset in containing the PRC. And the Chinese have big ambitions in the western pacific.

Totally wrong.
It's not wise to bother with Australia or something.
The civil war won't be expanded to foreign countries, unless the foreign countries 'join' the war.
NEGOTIATE, NEGOTIATE, NEGOTIATE! THE BEST SOLUTION!


User avatar
Duvniask
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5886
Founded: Aug 30, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:59 am

Gallia- wrote:Chinese civil war might be the longest running civil war in history I guess, unless we count the existence of Byzantium as a Roman Civil War or something.

Dear Eastern Roman Empire, instability is not a form of government.
Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr it sama. Ek veit einn at aldri deyr: dómr um dauðan hvern.

User avatar
Gallia-
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25065
Founded: Oct 09, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Gallia- » Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:11 am

Duvniask wrote:
Gallia- wrote:Chinese civil war might be the longest running civil war in history I guess, unless we count the existence of Byzantium as a Roman Civil War or something.

Dear Eastern Roman Empire, instability is not a form of government.


I meant the breakup of the West and East empires.

Byzantium fought a war to reclaim the West, which is what many countries do when they face a period of civil warfare that affects a limited part of their territory. o:

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Australian rePublic, Duvniask, Greater Miami Shores 3, Hai Shen Wai, Lower Nubia, Mets Hayk, Mountains and Volcanoes, PrayToonEar, Reverend Norv, The Holy Therns, The Jamesian Republic, Window Land, Yasuragi

Advertisement

Remove ads