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Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
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He said safely in Canada, with all the trappings and comforts of home, and knowing full well he'd never be tested on such a boast.

The Canadian government has done quite a bit of genocide, among a wide variety of other crimes.


You know what i mean. Here he's free to stand up without risk. Free Speech is cool, he's fortunate to live somewhere in exists. He doesn't know what it's like to risk his life for the moral high ground. He'll likely never know. Neither will I.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:15 am

Ifreann wrote:And we're barely even talking about "in the face of evil". Luziyca is demanding acts of dramatic heroism, on pain of death, from soldiers who were hundreds of miles away from Bucha when the massacre happened.

Death is a powerful leverage - a lot of soldiers would probably prefer to keep their lives and go home safely. Rebelling against the army and state at the potential cost of death on a foreign land with foreign people, far away from family and friends, does not seem appealing.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:23 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The Canadian government has done quite a bit of genocide, among a wide variety of other crimes.


You know what i mean. Here he's free to stand up without risk. Free Speech is cool, he's fortunate to live somewhere in exists. He doesn't know what it's like to risk his life for the moral high ground. He'll likely never know. Neither will I.

I know what you mean. What I'm saying is that if Luziyca wants us to believe that he'd put his life on the line to stop these kinds of terrible crimes, then he's a lot closer to, for example, Wetʼsuwetʼen land than to Ukraine. Where was Luziyca when the RCMP were aiming guns at people protecting themselves from invasion by the Canadian state? Sat at home is my guess. Maybe went to one of the protests. Not exactly the kind of bravery it would take to stand up to a dozen soldiers in a war zone and tell them you're gonna kill them all if they don't join your crusade against the whole Russian military.
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