NATION

PASSWORD

CoH82 bid: MVE/LIC

A battle ground for the sportsmen and women of nations worldwide. [In character]
User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

CoH82 bid: MVE/LIC

Postby Montana Verde » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:52 am

The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde & the Federated Parishes of the Licentian Isles proudly present...

Copa de la Armonía / Cupa na Còrdadh 82

Invitation process

In terms of the recurrent debates on the size of the CoH field, this bid will fall on the “big” side. There have been easily more than 62 nations who have rostered and actively roleplayed during World Cup qualifications.

I have spoken with Vilita, and they have confirmed that they will be willing to share (anonymized, disaggregated) RP bonus data from WC90. With the RP thread well over 400 posts and likely to pass 600 by qualification’s end, the alternative (of individually marking the entire RP thread of a tournament I’m not even hosting) is prohibitively off-putting. What we will do is ask for the 64* nations ranked highest in RP bonus over the WCQs [excluding qualifiers to the WC] and work from there: not all of those 64 nations may accept invitations in time so the field will either be filled out with invites from the remainder or adjusted downwards.

This is the most straightforward way of having the CoH simply be a tournament for those who made a go of roleplaying the qualifiers.

There will be no distinction between main and puppet nations.

Because of the exceptionally high rate of rostering in WCQ and the need for a swift tournament start, we will not be using the roster-to-signup method, and a simple TG confirmation will be sufficient.

Structure

*64 is the starting premise of the field size. The tournament will not exceed 64 entrants, but if all the invitations are not accepted in a timely fashion, it will be adjusted downwards, in descending order of the following priorities: an equal number of teams in each group stage group; a final field that’s a multiple of 4; an equal number of teams on each side of the tournament.

There will be a single round robin group stage leading to a 32– or 16–team–with–round–of–24–playoff single elimination knockout bracket, plus 3PPO. All games will be played in the host countries. No nation will switch host country until the final stage. Our own nations and puppets will be forcibly drawn into our own sides, and we will then scorinate each other’s side (i.e. all games in Montaña Verde will be scorinated by Licen, and all games in The Isles by G).

Scorination

xkoranate 0.3.3 using NSFS with ± additive mods. We will apply a generous RP bonus and after each cutoff will indicate what the average RP bonus earned over the previous cutoff was, though we will not publish individual RP bonuses.

Tiebreakers will be: points, goal difference, head-to-head results, head-to-head goal difference, IC coin toss [simulated using an OOC scorinated game using only RP bonus].

Experience

While this would be a first hosting gig for Montaña Verde, I have, with my other nations, solo hosted one Baptism of Fire and co-hosted two others, and co-hosted one prior Cup of Harmony; solo hosted two regionals and one co-hosted a third; solo hosted 4 World Cups of Hockey; and solo and co-hosted various other tournaments in various other sports.

In his original stint on NSS, Licen previously hosted two Baptisms of Fire (with Aguazul and Farfadillis), one Cup of Harmony (with Apox), and the second Campionato Esportiva with Cyborg Holland, along with a number of smaller, non-WCC tournaments. Since his return, he has hosted the 30th Campionato Esportiva.

Background

Montaña Verde is a medium sized nation in America [IC], part of the Græntfjaller Commonwealth. It has a population of 26 million, the majority of whom live in the northern half of the country, clustered around the capital Santa Margarita. The country's geography is marked by an extreme ridge of high mountains in the west, and a large rainforest plateau in the east.

Although recent Verdean political history has been fractious, with turmoil, unrest, and revolt, Presidenta Jazmín Santángel Hurtado has brought the quasi-civil war to an end and ushered in a time of peace and reconciliation. Græntfjaller mercenaries have left the country. The People's Army of Liberation have proclaimed triumph and joined the governing coalition. Land reform, social welfare, and indigenous rights are all on the agenda.

Verdeans love football. A short, Catholic, multi-ethnic population, the failures of their own team on the field won't stop them filling the stands as enthusiastic neutrals. The country's political and security station has stabilized although narcotraficantes still inflict occasional trouble, but extra precautions will be taken to ensure a smooth tournament experience for all.

The Licentian Isles are a small island nation in central Esportiva, made up of six major islands in the Licentian Channel, geographically close to Apox, Damukuni, and Filindostan. They are home to around 13 million Licentians, who are split between four parishes named after their major cities: three on the mainland (Montfort, Abingdon, and Colesham), along with St Bart’s which comprises the outlying islands. The capital of the nation is Montfort, a metropolitan city home to a number of diasporas, and the largest city on the Isles.

The political structure of the Isles is best defined as “bloody confusing”. Each parish elects its own parliament (under various names), which then elect a Councillor to represent that parish on the Federal Council of the Licentian Isles. This Council acts as the decision making body for a number of national issues, but a number of major powers are devolved to the parishes. This developed from the previous duchy system, where each parish had a ruling Duke, from whom a Grand Duke was selected. This was overthrown in a violent revolution that occurred after a fascist takeover of the nation, in line with a number of other nations across the multiverse at the time.

Licentians can definitely be described as “sports-mad”. This usually manifests itself in terms of football, where the Cyan-and-Gold are perhaps most famous, but rugby and hockey are also popular. This is in addition to sports such as sailing, canoeing, and mountain biking, which all take advantage of the nation’s natural beauty. Football, being the most popular sport, is surrounded by a large fandom, some of whom are more savoury than others. Many fans will greet the Cyan-and-Gold with flares and banners whether at home or abroad.
Last edited by Montana Verde on Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:08 pm, edited 4 times in total.
The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
The Licentian Isles
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1203
Founded: Jul 22, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Licentian Isles » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:53 am

Tagging as co-bidder.

User avatar
Tumbra
Diplomat
 
Posts: 963
Founded: Aug 29, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tumbra » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:58 am

An excellent host bid with two people I wholeheartedly trust, one of whom I've hosted something with before. Full support.
THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF TUMBRA
Tumbra - a sprawling, modern federal democratic republic located in Esportiva. Strong economy, strong civil rights, strong freedoms.
Population: 114 million | TLA: TMB | Capital City: Straton | Largest City: Couno
Constitution | Domestic News | Domestic Sports | Wiki Article | A Timely Reminder
President: James D. Clark (Green/Independent) | Prime Minister: Michael Kirkland (Labour)
U-18 World Cup 13 Champions/Di Bradini Cup 51 Champions

User avatar
Sarzonia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7945
Founded: Mar 22, 2004
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Sarzonia » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:24 am

I took part in a WLC run by Licen in his previous guise a long time ago. He did a great job hosting that tournament.

MV's experience as his several other nations speaks for itself.

I fully support this bid.
Former WLC President. Current member of the IBC and WBC Councils and the WCoH Federation. He/him/his.
Our trophy case and other honours; Our hosting history

User avatar
Farfadillis
Minister
 
Posts: 2085
Founded: Feb 26, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Farfadillis » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:32 am

I approve of this bid. Licen isn't a completely unsalvageable co-host, in my experience.
The Outlandish Lands of Farfadillis Ӿ Population: 20,814,000 ± 11,186,000
Capital: not applicable Ӿ Demonym: Farf, plural Farves
Shango-Fogoa Premier League (wiki) Ӿ How to get any WA Category Ӿ Farfadillis national football team Ӿ Map of Farfadillis Ӿ Name Generator

Champions: World Cup 84 and AOCAF Cups 43, 48 and 57
Hosts: World Cup 85, Baptisms of Fire 54 and 68 and AOCAF Cups 38 and 60

User avatar
Legalese
Diplomat
 
Posts: 798
Founded: Sep 12, 2004
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Legalese » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:08 am

Pretty straightforward bid, y'all -- thanks for bidding. A few questions, thanks in advance for answering:

1) Since you're using the NSFS formula, what will you be setting the max points value at?
2) "Generous" is relative when it comes to RP bonuses. What is the maximum bonus one can earn for a single match day, and why do you think that's the right number?
3) For clarity: will bonuses be cumulative? Will there be any degrading of the bonus as the tournament rolls on?
4) Also for clarity: For the knockout bracket, am I right to read that as the optimal situation is top 2 per group enters the round of 32, but if there's fewer than 64, you may opt to advancing 24 through? If so, do you mind elaborating on at what point you'd implement a smaller knockout round?

(Also for the record: I like the reveal of avg RP bonus given out per cutoff)
Host/Co-Host of:
World Cup XXII and LXVIII
The Inaugural CAFA Cup
AOCAF Cup V and XXXIV
Cup of Harmony XI and XIII
Baptism of Fire IX, XIV, XV, XVI, XLII, LII

Winner of Cup of Harmony 55 and Jeremy Jaffacake Jamboree II
Anaia: Like all the best ideas, this is moving from "lampoon" to
"take seriously" rather quickly

(H/T to Mertagne)

User avatar
Flavovespia
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 395
Founded: Mar 22, 2019
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Flavovespia » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:49 am

A quick question, is the preference for groups to be 16 groups of 4 or 8 groups of 8?
Formerly the Republic of Greater Waldster, internationally known as Greater Watford. IC It's a long story (OOC I didn't like using real place names)

User avatar
Huayramarca
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 165
Founded: May 02, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Huayramarca » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:05 pm

I support the bid. Lots of experience between both users, it'll be a great event for sure.


Population: 36 million, demonym: Huayramarcan, capital city: Huayramarca D.M. Languages: Spanish, Quechua, Aymara.


Starblaydia: "That's a Mister Burns nefarious scheme mountain, why is it dark at 2pm?'
'Oh, you know, Huayramarcan geography, is all'"

User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Montana Verde » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:11 pm

Flavovespia wrote:A quick question, is the preference for groups to be 16 groups of 4 or 8 groups of 8?

If 'twere to be 64, 'twould be 16×4. If the field goes below 64, a similar preference for 4 to 5 per group rather than 7 or 8.
The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
Southwest Eastnorth
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 182
Founded: Apr 06, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Southwest Eastnorth » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:22 pm

What we will do is ask for the 64* nations ranked highest in RP bonus over the WCQs, excluding qualifiers and work from there: not all of those 64 nations may accept invitations in time so the field will either be filled out with invites from the remainder or adjusted downwards.


I want to have confirmation on something.

This is "Rp bonus" only, that you will take into consideration? KPB Is irrelvant?

User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Montana Verde » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:24 pm

Yes, when I said "in RP bonus", I meant "in RP bonus".
The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
Southwest Eastnorth
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 182
Founded: Apr 06, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Southwest Eastnorth » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:38 pm

Montana Verde wrote:Yes, when I said "in RP bonus", I meant "in RP bonus".



Figured as much, just wanted to be sure.

While I think an arbitrary mark is a good way to send out invites. I personally am not sure how I feel about first 64 get dibs then go from there works (unless I'm reading this wrong) especially since that leaves a lot of control over the CoH into Vilita and BP's hands.

Maybe I'm just being overconcerned due to fearing I'm a likely fringe case. :?

I am totally being paranoid cause I'm not doing math properly and I would only have to make the top-94 in RP Bonus not to-64
Last edited by Southwest Eastnorth on Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
PotatoFarmers
Diplomat
 
Posts: 700
Founded: Jun 07, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby PotatoFarmers » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:45 pm

Given the method of obtaining RP data, which involves just asking for the total RP bonus awarded, how does the bid take into account the differences between quantity and quality, especially at the cutoff zone? For instance, by your method, a nation who wrote 4 RPs (less consistent) awarding 5 bonus (high quality) each will be selected ahead of a nation who wrote 8 RPs (RPed every cutoff) awarding 2.4 bonus (average quality) each.
Last edited by PotatoFarmers on Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
IC Name: The People's Republic of Poafmersia (Trigram: PFA)
IC Flag: Refer to my flag with my IC nation Poafmersia, though that nation's RP will be done with this account.

David Jossiah Beckingham, Chairman of Poafmersia's World Assembly Board (and officially the main representative to the WA)

Citizen of The North Pacific
Ambassador to Europe.
Speaker, The North Pacific

Sportswire. Achievements: BoF 71 Bronze; IAC X and IAC XI Champions
WCC Football (Post-WC90) - 31st, with 22.89, Style: +3.14159
Get the latest from WCQ91 here: https://bit.ly/NSSWCQ91

User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Montana Verde » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:00 pm

Legalese wrote:1) Since you're using the NSFS formula, what will you be setting the max points value at?

Depends who the highest ranked team in the CoH is.
Legalese wrote:2) "Generous" is relative when it comes to RP bonuses. What is the maximum bonus one can earn for a single match day, and why do you think that's the right number?

That will depend on the exact format. If it were the full 64 team field, probably around 3 points, mainly because in my experience that's enough to allow consistent RPers to build up an advantage without driving maxpoints too high; it could also tenuously be justified on the basis that 24 points is about the cutoff for top 32 in the WC rankings.
Legalese wrote:3) For clarity: will bonuses be cumulative? Will there be any degrading of the bonus as the tournament rolls on?

Yes. No.
Legalese wrote:4) Also for clarity: For the knockout bracket, am I right to read that as the optimal situation is top 2 per group enters the round of 32, but if there's fewer than 64, you may opt to advancing 24 through? If so, do you mind elaborating on at what point you'd implement a smaller knockout round?

Probably 48 teams.


Southwest Eastnorth wrote:--snip--

I don't understand what you are asking.


PotatoFarmers wrote:Given the method of obtaining RP data, which involves just asking for the total RP bonus awarded, how does the bid take into account the differences between quantity and quality, especially at the cutoff zone? For instance, by your method, a nation who wrote 4 RPs (less consistent) awarding 5 bonus (high quality) each will be selected ahead of a nation who wrote 8 RPs (RPed every cutoff) awarding 2.4 bonus (average quality) each.

Yes, that is accurate.
The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
Barunia
Minister
 
Posts: 2048
Founded: Dec 23, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Barunia » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:59 am

Montaña Verde wrote:While this would be a first hosting gig for Montaña Verde, I have, with my other nations, solo hosted one Baptism of Fire and co-hosted two others, and co-hosted one prior Cup of Harmony; solo hosted two regionals and one co-hosted a third; solo hosted 4 World Cups of Hockey; and solo and co-hosted various other tournaments in various other sports.


May I ask what other nations these are? Perhaps the number of the BoF?
Last edited by Barunia on Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
Head of Dipomacy for the Union of Red Nations
Join the URN! A place for all communists, socialists, and left-wing nations.
I use my factbook!

Officially jolly good sporting chaps! Winners of the 2nd Chap Olympiad! (As MCSA)

Football
Baptism of Fire 51: Quarter-finalists
Cup of Harmony 62 & 64: Runner-ups
Qualified for World Cup 67,68,73,74,75

Rugby Union World Cup 25 - Third Place

Hosts of the 4th T20 Cricket World Cup
Third Place in the 4th T20 Cricket World Cup

Hosts of the Celebration of Field Hockey

Board Member of the World Calvinball Federation


Rugby World Cup 26 Champions
Author of Issue #604

User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Montana Verde » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:47 am

Barunia wrote:
Montaña Verde wrote:While this would be a first hosting gig for Montaña Verde, I have, with my other nations, solo hosted one Baptism of Fire and co-hosted two others, and co-hosted one prior Cup of Harmony; solo hosted two regionals and one co-hosted a third; solo hosted 4 World Cups of Hockey; and solo and co-hosted various other tournaments in various other sports.


May I ask what other nations these are? Perhaps the number of the BoF?

Sure, sorry:

The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
Tikariot
Diplomat
 
Posts: 947
Founded: Jun 06, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tikariot » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:52 am

As a former co-host with Graent (CR36) I can confirm the professionalism of his hosting.
Tikariot - Rushmore - Trigramme: TKT
Sporting achievements:
Football: Ro16 (and group winner) WC87 | Winner - IFC 1 | Quarter final - BoF 73 | 3rd in group WCQ86
Baseball: Winner - International Baseball Slam XI | Round of 16 - World Baseball Classic 49/50/51
Hosting: IBS XII, Copa Rushmori 36, WBC 51, World Cup 89
NS Sports Miniflags

User avatar
Sarzonia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7945
Founded: Mar 22, 2004
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Sarzonia » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:18 am

Would either of you mind if I ICly expressed concerns about your respective nations' lack of experience hosting as part of a roleplay?

I'm considering a RP where my governing body objects ICly to it (haven't decided if I'm having Sarzonia or Soldera doing it; I guess whichever one is CoH eligible), and perhaps using that as fodder to decide whether or not to accept an invitation.
Former WLC President. Current member of the IBC and WBC Councils and the WCoH Federation. He/him/his.
Our trophy case and other honours; Our hosting history

User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Montana Verde » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:29 am

I'd really enjoy that type of RP, actually, it definitely fits our IC situation.

I am not speaking for Licen on that front, though, so please run that by him before including his country in said criticism.
The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
Sarzonia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7945
Founded: Mar 22, 2004
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Sarzonia » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:40 am

Montana Verde wrote:I'd really enjoy that type of RP, actually, it definitely fits our IC situation.

I am not speaking for Licen on that front, though, so please run that by him before including his country in said criticism.


If Licen has no problems with it, I'll include him, but MV would be the main focus of my IFF's ire regardless.

If he does object, I'd be more than happy to focus the objections on MV being named host and engaging in a debate about whether or not to accept an invite should one be forthcoming.

It would be a different angle to RP, and I'm getting more excited about the prospect of pursuing it, especially since I have total OOC confidence in your ability to run a tournament smoothly and well.
Former WLC President. Current member of the IBC and WBC Councils and the WCoH Federation. He/him/his.
Our trophy case and other honours; Our hosting history

User avatar
Montana Verde
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 133
Founded: Jan 01, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Montana Verde » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:36 pm

Yep, no problems with that on my end, though I appreciate you asking first. Feel free to TG if you need any background details.
The Rainforest Republic of Montaña Verde

User avatar
The Licentian Isles
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1203
Founded: Jul 22, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Licentian Isles » Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:32 am

Farfadillis wrote:I approve of this bid. Licen isn't a completely unsalvageable co-host, in my experience.


This is the greatest compliment I think I've ever been given.

Sarzonia wrote:Would either of you mind if I ICly expressed concerns about your respective nations' lack of experience hosting as part of a roleplay?

I'm considering a RP where my governing body objects ICly to it (haven't decided if I'm having Sarzonia or Soldera doing it; I guess whichever one is CoH eligible), and perhaps using that as fodder to decide whether or not to accept an invitation.


No problem in principle, though it might not make a massive amount of sense to Licentians given the previous experience hosting as, while it was seven years ago OOC, it was the same nation.


Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to NS Sports

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chromatika, Liventia, Strike, The Sherpa Empire

Advertisement

Remove ads