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Postby Neu California » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:39 am

Surprise, surprise

Ars technica wrote:Chat messages, images, and videos leaked from the server of a white supremacist group called the Patriot Front purport to show its leader and rank-and-file members conspiring in hate crimes, despite their claims that they were a legitimate political organization.

Patriot Front, or PF, formed in the aftermath of the 2017 Unite the Right rally, a demonstration in Charlottesville, Virginia, where one of the attendees rammed his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one and injuring 35 others. PF founder Thomas Rousseau started the group after an image posted online showed the now-convicted killer, James Alex Fields, Jr., posing with members of white supremacist group Vanguard America shortly before the attack. Vanguard America soon dissolved, and Rousseau rebranded it as PF with the goal of hiding any involvement in violent acts.

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Since then, PF has strived to present itself as a group of patriots who are aligned with the ideals and values of the founders who defeated the tyranny of the British in the 18th century and paved the way for the United States to be born. In announcing the formation of PF in 2017, Rousseau wrote:

The new name was carefully chosen, as it serves several purposes. It can help inspire sympathy among those more inclined to fence-sitting, and can be easily justified to our ideology [sic] and worldview. The original American patriots were nothing short of revolutionaries. The word patriot itself comes from the same root as paternal and patriarch. It means loyalty to something intrinsically based in blood.

Turbo cans and rubber roofing cement
But a published report and leaked data the report is based on present a starkly different picture. The chat messages, images, and videos purport to show Rousseau and other PF members discussing the defacing of numerous murals and monuments promoting Black Lives Matter, LGBTQ groups, and other social justice causes.

This chat, for instance, appears to show a PF member discussing the targeting of a civil rights mural in Detroit. When a member asks what the best way is to fully cover up a mural with paint, Rousseau is shown replying “It's in the stencil guide. Turbo cans.” The stencil guide refers to these instructions provided to PF members showing how to effectively use spray paint and not get caught. The PF member also sent Rousseau pictures taken while scouting the mural.

When a different member discussed whether rubber roofing cement was suitable to covering a George Floyd memorial that had been treated with anti-graffiti clear coating, Rousseau allegedly responded: “Keep me posted as to your research and practice with this substance. Orders will be given out at the event.”

The data dump also appears to document the defacing of a monument in Olympia, Washington.

The leaked data purports to show a range of other illegal activities the group discussed. They include Rousseau informing members planning a rally in Washington, DC, that one participant will call 911 from a burner phone and make a false report to authorities.

“He will cite that there is a protest, he sees shields BUT NO WEAPONS, and everyone involved appears to be behaving peacefully, waving and handing out flyers, nonetheless he is a concerned citizen and suggests the police take a look into it to ensure everyone's civil rights are safe,” Rousseau appeared to write. “He will add that it looks like we just arrived from the metro. This will soften the police up before our big visual contact on the bridge, and provide a little confusion and misinfo that's within the realm of honest dialogue.”

Attempts to reach Rousseau or other PF members were not successful.

Friday’s published report said that the leak comprised about 400 GB of data and came from a self-hosted instance of RocketChat, an open source chat server that’s similar to Slack and Discord. It’s only the latest example of a hate group being hacked and its private discussions being dumped online. In 2019, the breach of the Iron March website revealed, among other things, that many of its members were members of the US Marines, Navy, Army, and military reserves.


While I am opposed to hacking and leaking data in general, I can't help but feel a bit of schadenfreude over this.

Anyway, NSG, was the leaking of this info about neo-Nazis pretending to be good people justified? why or why not? As to the crimes, should those involved be arrested and charged if they can be connected to them? Why or why not?

On the first question. I'm split. While I do value data security, these crimes shouldn't be covered up either. I really can't say yes or no.

As to the second question, hell yeah. they attacked memorials and monuments meant to create harmony and social justice in order to promote their hateful little ideology. BTW, there is visual evidence in the source linked in the "Ars Technica wrote" section of the quote. It's quite telling
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:09 am

Who exactly did the hacking? If it was Antifa or some other liberal cause, they can't necessarily be trusted being how obvious their bias will be. Plenty of people will dismiss this as a fabricated false flag unless the proof is solid enough to be beyond dispute or doubt.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:10 am

Saiwania wrote:Who exactly did the hacking? If it was Antifa or some other liberal cause, they can't necessarily be trusted being how obvious their bias will be. Plenty of people will dismiss this as a fabricated false flag unless the proof is solid enough to be beyond dispute or doubt.


“Anything that makes my side look bad is fake”, I take it?
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Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:13 am

Saiwania wrote:Who exactly did the hacking? If it was Antifa or some other liberal cause, they can't necessarily be trusted being how obvious their bias will be. Plenty of people will dismiss this as a fabricated false flag unless the proof is solid enough to be beyond dispute or doubt.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:23 am

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Postby Hemakral » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:27 am

lmao

cheers to whoever did this
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Postby Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:30 am

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Postby United Nations of Gaia » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:31 am

Oh wow it's almost exactly like what I said on a different thread that Nazis always do sketchy things under the surface.
I am shocked I'm telling ya, shocked.

Also lol at Sai instantly pointing fingers and trying to deny, name a more iconic duo than fascists and lalaland.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:34 am

The group itself, hasn't done anything wrong from what I can tell, asides from those people who really did do petty vandalism and other illegal actions in real life.

Lest I be accused of condoning what-about-ism, I find it curious that most of those on the Antifa or far Left side got away with destroying statues and other monuments they found disagreeable on arguably a far greater scale under Obama and Trump, with fewer to no people batting an eye other than Fox News.
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Postby United Nations of Gaia » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:38 am

Saiwania wrote:The group itself, hasn't done anything wrong from what I can tell, asides from those people who really did do petty vandalism and other illegal actions in real life.

Lest I be accused of condoning what-about-ism, I find it curious that most of those on the Antifa or far Left side got away with destroying statues and other monuments they found disagreeable on arguably a far greater scale under Obama and Trump, with fewer to no people batting an eye other than Fox News.

"Slave owner statues being brought down is the same as the mural of a man murdered by the police being desecrated!" - Sai

And it is whataboutism, glad you can recognize it.
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Postby Neuer California » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:38 am

Saiwania wrote:The group itself, hasn't done anything wrong from what I can tell, asides from those people who really did do petty vandalism and other illegal actions in real life.

Lest I be accused of condoning what-about-ism, I find it curious that most of those on the Antifa or far Left side got away with destroying statues and other monuments they found disagreeable on arguably a far greater scale under Obama and Trump, with fewer to no people batting an eye other than Fox News.

Source that it's more common for the far left to do these things than the far right?
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Remember, you can't be a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this, and the Nazis lost.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:40 am

Vassenor wrote:Remember, you can't be a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this, and the Nazis lost.


Unless you're suddenly joining the revolutionary crowd and saying we should entire destroy America's liberal democracy this is not true. It's one of many reasons the republic needs replaced.

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Postby Hemakral » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:44 am

Vassenor wrote:Remember, you can't be a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this, and the Nazis lost.

and then we hanged their leaders in a gym
so much for the ubermensch
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:52 am

United Nations of Gaia wrote:And it is whataboutism, glad you can recognize it.


Regardless, it is a valid question that people should answer. It doesn't matter to me if the monuments are associated with slavery or historical figures which are no longer respected or seen in a good light. It is all just politics/ideology so far as why certain people act out as they do.

Property should be respected enough by both sides, as to leave them alone or intact, and not start up some feud or mini war behind the scenes.
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Saiwania wrote:Property should be respected enough by both sides, as to leave them alone or intact, and not start up some feud or mini war behind the scenes.

Private, public, personal, or all three?
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Postby United Nations of Gaia » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:58 am

Saiwania wrote:
United Nations of Gaia wrote:And it is whataboutism, glad you can recognize it.


Regardless, it is a valid question that people should answer. It doesn't matter to me if the monuments are associated with slavery or historical figures which are no longer respected or seen in a good light. It is all just politics/ideology so far as why certain people act out as they do.

Property should be respected enough by both sides, as to leave them alone or intact, and not start up some feud or mini war behind the scenes.

I would be 100% fine with taking down statues of Heinrich Himmler, private property or not.
Some people do not deserve memorials, especially not slave owners, that you disagree with it is just sad in my opinion.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:00 am

United Nations of Gaia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Regardless, it is a valid question that people should answer. It doesn't matter to me if the monuments are associated with slavery or historical figures which are no longer respected or seen in a good light. It is all just politics/ideology so far as why certain people act out as they do.

Property should be respected enough by both sides, as to leave them alone or intact, and not start up some feud or mini war behind the scenes.

I would be 100% fine with taking down statues of Heinrich Himmler, private property or not.
Some people do not deserve memorials, especially not slave owners, that you disagree with it is just sad in my opinion.


Slave owners and people who literally committed treason against the United States should not be memorialised in the United States.
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Postby Narland » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:05 am

Vassenor wrote:Remember, you can't be a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this, and the Nazis lost.

There are few things more un-American than the various forms of Marxian dialectics promoting envy, strife, and hate, be it National Socialism (Naziism), International Socialism (Communism), Corporato-Socialsim (Fascism), or any other ideology that denies individuals their dignity as self-governing human beings to be free from authoritarian and totalitarian petty despots (bullies) who think they know how best live other peoples lives than the individual persons themselves. Millions, 10s of millions and hundreds of millions murdered alone by these wretched ideologies, and still Nazis, Communists and Fascists, never willing to learn from history are all over the place.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:11 am

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Vassenor wrote:Remember, you can't be a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this, and the Nazis lost.

There are few things more un-American than the various forms of Marxian dialectics promoting envy, strife, and hate, be it National Socialism (Naziism), International Socialism (Communism), Corporato-Socialsim (Fascism), or any other ideology that denies individuals their dignity as self-governing human beings to be free from authoritarian and totalitarian petty despots (bullies) who think they know how best live other peoples lives than the individual persons themselves. Millions, 10s of millions and hundreds of millions murdered alone by these wretched ideologies, and still Nazis, Communists and Fascists, never willing to learn from history are all over the place.


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Postby United Nations of Gaia » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:14 am

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Vassenor wrote:Remember, you can't be a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this, and the Nazis lost.

There are few things more un-American than the various forms of Marxian dialectics promoting envy, strife, and hate, be it National Socialism (Naziism), International Socialism (Communism), Corporato-Socialsim (Fascism), or any other ideology that denies individuals their dignity as self-governing human beings to be free from authoritarian and totalitarian petty despots (bullies) who think they know how best live other peoples lives than the individual persons themselves. Millions, 10s of millions and hundreds of millions murdered alone by these wretched ideologies, and still Nazis, Communists and Fascists, never willing to learn from history are all over the place.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:23 am

Vassenor wrote:Slave owners and people who literally committed treason against the United States should not be memorialised in the United States.


There are those people who owned slaves but were more than just slaveowners in terms of their accomplishments or prominence to their time and place. History is difficult like that.

Does General Grant's military career outweigh his having inherited a slave? Many people would say yes, but his statue wasn't spared damage attempts in some places.

People need to collectively decide what should stay or go as priorities change or shift. What I won't agree with is it being by force or outside pressures. The ones who truly have a stake is the residents of the locale or the owners.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:25 am

In somewhat comparable news, Dutch journalists discovered that a telegram group in which people were called upon to physically attack and stalk leftist politicians was administrated by a coordinator of the "Forum for Democracy" political party - an anti-vax and anti-foreigner political party that has often been accused of having intimate ties with neonazis.

Seems it is not limited to a single country.
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Postby Arpasia » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:27 am

Hemakral wrote:lmao

cheers to whoever did this

Yeah, what a madlad.
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Postby Narland » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:30 am

United Nations of Gaia wrote:
Narland wrote:
There are few things more un-American than the various forms of Marxian dialectics promoting envy, strife, and hate, be it National Socialism (Naziism), International Socialism (Communism), Corporato-Socialsim (Fascism), or any other ideology that denies individuals their dignity as self-governing human beings to be free from authoritarian and totalitarian petty despots (bullies) who think they know how best live other peoples lives than the individual persons themselves. Millions, 10s of millions and hundreds of millions murdered alone by these wretched ideologies, and still Nazis, Communists and Fascists, never willing to learn from history are all over the place.

Everything is socialism if it's bad.
Lol.
The moment the words "corporato socialism" were written by you, you should've genuinely thought about what the words you speak mean, because it's total nonsense.

Fascism economically relies on controlling the means of production through corporate entities.where the state subsidizes, exerts direct influence, and is the primary stakeholder. It is the de facto owner. Corporate socialism is fascism. Corporato-Socialsm is a valid descriptor.

Fascism never denied the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. It happily incorporated it into their interpretation of why Marx failed and was the basis of the implementation of their idiosyncratic correction of Marx. No different than the National Socialists implemented theirs, and the International Socialists (who won the bragging rights to both the moniker Marxists, and Communists) even though they are all trying to fix where Marx got it wrong.
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