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The League of Defensive Regions, or more simply known as LDR, is an interregional alliance of small to medium sized regions which was founded with the core principle of expanding their influence on the international stage and the World Assembly primarily. LDR recognizes an environment where small to medium regions like this are often subject to the higher powers above them with no real voice in the decisions taken by the broader game-orientated community, we believe through international peace and more importantly, cooperation these regions can grab a bigger, better voice in the World Assembly, R/D gameplay and general soft power in the current affairs of NationStates today.

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Premier Commissioner: Freedomanica

Deputy Premier Commissioner: Vacant

Commissioner of Internal Affairs: Alesina

Commissioner of External Affairs: Freedomanica

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Trovons

The Republic of Emmeria

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Pax Britannia

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The Eternal Order

The Democratic Republic of Celtia

The Peaceful Federation of Vest-Lasai


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The League of Defensive Regions
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Postby The League of Defensive Regions » Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:09 am

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Sandaoguo
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Postby Sandaoguo » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:46 am

What are y’all so defensive over?

Could you maybe say you’re a league of defenders, united?

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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:33 am

So... Trovons, who, and who?

My sincere condolences to anyone entering an alliance under Noble Titans (FKA Crystalsummer) leadership, both given his history and the fact that he clearly does not have the slightest time or attention to devote to this project. Or maybe he does, in which I give my condolences to those who have given him positions of power elsewhere. Being URA President, TNP Deputy MoFA (lol), Founder of Lisseum (a former OOC backwater), and Chief Elder of St. Abbadon wasn't enough for you?

Also, what exactly is "defensive" about this alliance? The words "defender" and "alignment" don't come up at all in your Charter or your Mission Statement, all I could really find on the military is meaningless platitudes about a unified force.

And last thing:
The League of Defensive Regions wrote:The League of Defensive Regions, or more simply known as The League

Lol. Very original.
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:54 am

I spent at least three weeks in June 2011 writing this OP. :p Best of luck to you on your future endeavours together.
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Postby Xoriet » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:12 pm

That is one of the most uninspiring names I've ever seen, not to mention uses a shorthand version that is already applied to an existing and prominent UCR. I'm not sure that stealing TL's name works to give their influence to your group.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:22 pm

I'll leave discussion of who leads this to y'all, but looking at the other 3 members+pending members, it's always cool to see new regions turn an eye towards GP. Over a hundred nations between those 3, and all have been around at least a few months now. Not shabby =)
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Postby Domais » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:26 pm

Isn't it a little weird that the President of the URA is making an organization that competes with the URA? Also, I wonder why it took the LDR this long to make a GP thread? It's been almost a month.
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Postby Pathoal » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:44 pm

I'm interested to see where this goes, but you get a 0/10 in the name category :P
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Postby Mauroa » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:28 pm

"The League" is an awful name. I mean - who would come up with something like that? There has to be something wrong with you.

Anyway not surprised that the President of the URA who is an AA member is making a second alliance to coerce regions into their grasp in their not so subtle form of imperialism and climb for power. Disapprove of the alliance and will give it like 6 months before it falls into irrelevancy unless their primary goal is just getting more regions like the URA.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:11 pm

This is aggressively uninspiring, so I can only hope my gut feeling will for once be wrong.

edit:

This is actually just so hilariously bad, that I had to go back and write an updated comment to truly recognize the magnitude of mediocrity and needless impersonation that is going on here.

For starters, I just want to explore the branding here. For starters, it's lazy. Second of all, it is beyond me how anyone can't figure out how to re-size images appropriately in this day and age. Your banner is woefully oversized, to the point that it's experiencing really visible pixilation and blur. To follow that, nowhere in your announcement do you even link the regions. The only place we find out what they are is in the, once again pixelated and oversized, bottom banner image. It looks tacky, it looks lazy, and this whole thread design screams to be as half-baked as the announced organization in question.

Beyond that, there's the fact that they're blatantly attempting to co-opt the established name of an already existing, and far more impressive, organization. While I can see the poetic irony in taking over the slogan or branding of something you have surpassed and are attempting to stomp out, this is an upstart alliance run by a perennial flop which is attempting to for whatever snipe at the branding of a well-established UCR. More than that, The League is one of the regions whose efforts were most notable in the liberation of Trovons itself from Raiders. This is just a really shitty move by you guys, and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with this. Before Noble Titans, the player formerly known as Crystalsummer, falls back on their tried and true "I'm innocent and clueless" excuse that's saved them in past missteps, it's worth noting that this alliance's proclaimed "Commissioner of External Affairs" literally applied for citizenship in The League last week. They are fully aware of whose branding they are blatantly trying to plagiarize, especially in attempting to literally utilize the same shortening (see: "The League of Defensive Regions, or more simply known as The League"). You are not The League. You will never be The League.

Moving on from there, I want to address this whole organization and its stated mission, because it is nothing more than a bunch of lazily thrown together buzzwords and empty platitudes. Look, I'm not trying to be a naysayer here, crushing the dreams of up and coming players, whatever you want to call it. For starters, Noble Titans has been around for ages, they are not a new player. Doing these ego moves is par for the course for them. Anyways, the name itself is uninspired and generic. It sounds like someone plugged in every defender organization name into a random generator and had it spit out a new one based on those. It means nothing, especially considering the lack of commitment to either mutual defense or defenderdom that is present throughout the thread. Where the thread finally does mention actual goals (influence in the WA, R/D, and general soft power), it lays out no indication that either the alliance or those people running it have any ability to actually accomplish this. Having worked with Noble Titans on numerous occasions in the past, I am very familiar with their inability to actually see projects like this through, and very much doubt that there will be much success here.

Also, all of these member regions are experiencing a population decline and seemingly have no recruitment going. How can you expect to develop a "real voice" if your individual regions are failing?

Do us all a favor and kill this concept before it wastes more peoples' time.
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Postby Apatosaurus » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:15 pm

The League of Defensive Regions wrote:-snip-

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:52 pm

TL;DR: Unoriginal name and unoriginal flag.
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Postby Alfonzo » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:22 am

Oh dear, they dragged poor trovons into this didn't they?
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Postby Alesina » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:59 am

Hey all! Founder of Aesica.
I thank everyone for their kind thoughts and suggestions and I will raise them in a proper conversation today.

I noticed that there were no links to the regions and this is an accident, here is links for anyone who has just found the thread:

The League of Defensive Regions
Trovons
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Aesica

Quebecshire wrote:Also, what exactly is "defensive" about this alliance? The words "defender" and "alignment" don't come up at all in your Charter or your Mission Statement, all I could really find on the military is meaningless platitudes about a unified force.
And last thing:
The League of Defensive Regions wrote:The League of Defensive Regions, or more simply known as The League

Lol. Very original.
The regions here do have a defender alignment but I agree that it should be put somewhere in the mission statement.
As reference to the name as many people have brought up, I agree. I have already suggested a name change due to similarity with the pre-existing League, and while I feel that simply being a League itself shouldn't be held to just TL, I do think that a rebrand would be productive to avoid confusion or any thoughts that we might be copying/plagirising, although I completely understand the concern and agree with it on the shorthand 'The League'. Additionally, 'TLDR' will probably be changed to 'LDR' cause the acronym does seem to have made us a bit of a running gag.

Domais wrote:Isn't it a little weird that the President of the URA is making an organization that competes with the URA? Also, I wonder why it took the LDR this long to make a GP thread? It's been almost a month.
We don't have any intentions of competing with the URA. I understand that an informal competition will probably exist when we get larger, but we have no intentions at the time to 'ooh, screw that org/region/etc, let's compete with them/change our name to theirs to be mean!!', just to clarify.

If anything I'd hope to establish a positive relationship. Simply put we are a group of like-minded regions that hope to grow together and align our interests in this interregional organisation.

Tim-Opolis wrote: [...] You are not The League. You will never be The League.

Moving on from there, I want to address this whole organization and its stated mission, because it is nothing more than a bunch of lazily thrown together buzzwords and empty platitudes. Look, I'm not trying to be a naysayer here, crushing the dreams of up and coming players, whatever you want to call it. For starters, Noble Titans has been around for ages, they are not a new player. Doing these ego moves is par for the course for them. Anyways, the name itself is uninspired and generic. It sounds like someone plugged in every defender organization name into a random generator and had it spit out a new one based on those. It means nothing, especially considering the lack of commitment to either mutual defense or defenderdom that is present throughout the thread. Where the thread finally does mention actual goals (influence in the WA, R/D, and general soft power), it lays out no indication that either the alliance or those people running it have any ability to actually accomplish this. Having worked with Noble Titans on numerous occasions in the past, I am very familiar with their inability to actually see projects like this through, and very much doubt that there will be much success here.

Also, all of these member regions are experiencing a population decline and seemingly have no recruitment going. How can you expect to develop a "real voice" if your individual regions are failing?

Do us all a favor and kill this concept before it wastes more peoples' time.
To just further develop a second on the name, I agree- we are not the League, nor do we want to be the League- are we also defender aligned?- yes. Do we intend to be a copy of them, do we intend to replace them or steal their name?- absolutely not. I have raised concerns about the naming choice and I will be making sure we move towards a unique identity for ourselves. We will be making our own organisation.

Also on overall reference to the comments about Noble Titans- we are aware he has already established himself in NS- so has myself, and Trovons through other nations- the difference here is that we have all opted to make our own, new regions, and we have decided to come together with this organisation to shape our regions with one another. We are aware he is President of the URA- but this is not the URA- and we will make it clear in the coming few months that we are very much so our own group. We appreciate having someone who already has experience in interregional organisations in the organisation.

As I've said before, I'll raise the suggestions here on the mission statement and charter so we can properly outline who we are, what we believe in, and how we're going to be able to do it.

Once more on the Noble Titans concern, I believe that just because he might not have had much success in the past with previous projects doesn't mean this one will fail immediately also. Myself and Trovons are committed to this project, and we have people in the org that also want to see us succeed. I'm confident that we can push through any challenges we're faced with and grow- that brings me onto the concerns about our three regions with recruiting- I agree, it is a source of concern. I can't speak for Trovons or Emmeria but with Aesica it is my fault alone- I admit my mistakes and agree that we have had a poor recruiting game recently. We're getting back into it now. I finish what I start.

Alfonzo wrote:Oh dear, they dragged poor trovons into this didn't they?

As far as I'm aware this project was pioneered by Trovons (nation), and when Aesica joined the organisation, Trovons was already the leading region.
No region has been 'dragged' into this, we have all come willingly as part of our combined interests.
Once again, I thank everyone greatly for their thoughts. They mean a lot to a fledgling alliance.

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Postby Gorundu » Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:15 am

Alesina wrote:snip

So just to check, are you Crystalsummer/Allangoria/Noble Titans?
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Postby Toerana » Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:34 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'll leave discussion of who leads this to y'all, but looking at the other 3 members+pending members, it's always cool to see new regions turn an eye towards GP. Over a hundred nations between those 3, and all have been around at least a few months now. Not shabby =)

Tfw the raider in the thread is the most approving of the defensive alliance, while prominent defenders post to attack them and provide absolutely zero meaningful critiques. It really feels like the roles should be reversed here.
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Postby Sandaoguo » Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:22 am

Toerana wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'll leave discussion of who leads this to y'all, but looking at the other 3 members+pending members, it's always cool to see new regions turn an eye towards GP. Over a hundred nations between those 3, and all have been around at least a few months now. Not shabby =)

Tfw the raider in the thread is the most approving of the defensive alliance, while prominent defenders post to attack them and provide absolutely zero meaningful critiques. It really feels like the roles should be reversed here.

Idk if I’m a “prominent defender” but my post was 100% good faith critique of the name :P Other defenders might be marking their territory. But I do think the leadership of this group raises a lot of skepticism. But who knows? I don't think anybody really expected The League of Conservative Nations to become a defender powerhouse.

I’m also sad the UDL joke didn’t pan out :(

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Postby Xoriet » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:19 am

Alesina wrote:Once more on the Noble Titans concern, I believe that just because he might not have had much success in the past with previous projects doesn't mean this one will fail immediately also. Myself and Trovons are committed to this project, and we have people in the org that also want to see us succeed. I'm confident that we can push through any challenges we're faced with and grow- that brings me onto the concerns about our three regions with recruiting- I agree, it is a source of concern. I can't speak for Trovons or Emmeria but with Aesica it is my fault alone- I admit my mistakes and agree that we have had a poor recruiting game recently. We're getting back into it now. I finish what I start.

The problem with having Crystalsummer lead it is not only that he starts projects he can't ever complete, but also that he overcommits to many regions at a time and has to divide his attention and sacrifice some projects for others. Given what I've been told about activity in your Discord, I'm taking a guess that this is not one of his high commitment projects. Effectively stealing the purpose of the URA and coopting TL's name effectively got him attention, but not the attention you guys would have wanted to have. If anything it successfully earned what you would not consider a kind of positive attention. Perhaps he should have waited to not be URA President to announce this project of his.
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Postby Trovons » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:36 am

Xoriet wrote:
Alesina wrote:Once more on the Noble Titans concern, I believe that just because he might not have had much success in the past with previous projects doesn't mean this one will fail immediately also. Myself and Trovons are committed to this project, and we have people in the org that also want to see us succeed. I'm confident that we can push through any challenges we're faced with and grow- that brings me onto the concerns about our three regions with recruiting- I agree, it is a source of concern. I can't speak for Trovons or Emmeria but with Aesica it is my fault alone- I admit my mistakes and agree that we have had a poor recruiting game recently. We're getting back into it now. I finish what I start.

The problem with having Crystalsummer lead it is not only that he starts projects he can't ever complete, but also that he overcommits to many regions at a time and has to divide his attention and sacrifice some projects for others. Given what I've been told about activity in your Discord, I'm taking a guess that this is not one of his high commitment projects. Effectively stealing the purpose of the URA and coopting TL's name effectively got him attention, but not the attention you guys would have wanted to have. If anything it successfully earned what you would not consider a kind of positive attention. Perhaps he should have waited to not be URA President to announce this project of his.


I won’t deny that NT has been everywhere in terms of where his commitments lie on NationStates speaking wholesale from not only the United Regions Alliance to Ridgefield and Lisseum etc, but this project is not necessarily spearheaded by him individually, as Alesina has stated, this project is also being developed by us and the region’s we bring into the fold not only to become a Member Region, but to also contribute to this project as to where it’s going, so I can certainly assure you that this project while still young, is growing not through only us but the communities that emerge from this, we are trying our utmost to get people involved and with enough paws on deck this certainly will be a long-lasting project.

I do question still whether NT should have done this in the midst of the United Regions Alliance Elections, but as of now, this project is here and is going to continue regardless and there truly is no rivalry with URA as, while our categories may be similar, we focus on a more detailed pool of regions we feel we can cooperate with and bring into the fold, and have no intention in competing with the URA.

It was never our intention to copy “The League” name at all, that is why you might have seen as of recent we have distanced ourselves from the referral with the adoption of our acronym as the more preferential referral to our alliance as seem from the op and dispatches. Reality is, is that a lot of names based on interregional alliances and cooperation are similar to many preexisting polities and we are still discussing amongst the Commission as to our future branding as an organization, but I would like to highlight that to everyone.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:55 am

I see you've edited the brazen appropriation of our name out of your OP, the angry mob is successful once again!
Alesina wrote:I feel that simply being a League itself shouldn't be held to just TL

This is an incredibly disingenuous (or otherwise non-addressing of our point) comment given the part of your OP that Tim and I quoted.
Sandaoguo wrote:I don't think anybody really expected The League of Conservative Nations to become a defender powerhouse

I didn't either!
Toerana wrote:Tfw the raider in the thread is the most approving of the defensive alliance, while prominent defenders post to attack them and provide absolutely zero meaningful critiques. It really feels like the roles should be reversed here.

If NT wants to drop WA from the backwater AA region he is serving as Delegate of, and cut back his portfolio otherwise to actually have time to devote to the cause of defending, I will personally train him and others he brings along if he actually puts effort forth unlike he does for most other projects. Or I won't, given your history, but you get the idea.
Trovons wrote:It was never our intention to copy “The League” name at all, that is why you might have seen as of recent we have distanced ourselves from the referral with the adoption of our acronym as the more preferential referral to our alliance as seem from the op and dispatches.

This does not really tally with this:
The League of Defensive Regions wrote:The League of Defensive Regions, or more simply known as The League

I understand you guys have edited it out due to shame and PR fumbling, but it was done very consciously. Tim is right, it is shitty, and PR backpeddling is only doing so much for those who know how NT has worked in the past.
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Postby Trovons » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:39 am

Right, before we assume this was deliberate, history cam ascertain that this would probably be unlikely:

I have no ill-will against The League mainly due to their involvement in freeing our natives from the raiders’ clutches and we rather respect y’all more than anything for your continued active presence here in NationStates and so this was not done out of deliberative actions, and I shall say more to why this is not true.

The concept of “The League” as appearing in our name was actually derived from the originally intentioned Founder’s account (created by NT) as provided here:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=963441

I did not favor the original concept of the name put forward there, and so I took armed out as it seemed more military-like than anything, and obviously Nations out because this is not some coalition of nations at all and contradicts the actual text put forward in that Constitution and so what we had was “The League of Regions”, but I last minute changed it to “defensive” to signify not much of a aggressive approach of “Armed” but rather a more diplomatic approach in signifying that we shall as small regions each other against foreign aggression and higher political entities and is seen more as “solidarity” and that’s how the concept came about, it was of no means to impersonate or deceive The League in anyway because I generally promote and encourage a strong foreign presence, and I would not try and go against y’all guys anyway because we of your obvious and more importantly impactful presence in our liberation.

Obviously we abolished the short text of The League because the confusion and anger was obviously seen and we did rebrand accordingly as this was the result, but the deliberation in this was way out of context as if I did have a nick for TL, I probably would have ignored the whole thing and out no forward action in the execution of solving this conflict, and The League in question was not necessarily in our regional focus much so periphery regardless.

So in essence,

Did this remind us of your region heck yes!

Was it means to be a deliberative attempt against your region’s brand? Hell no!

Have we analyzed the response? Yes.

Have we attempted to solve the problem, yes.
Last edited by Trovons on Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
Trovons (aka Freedomanica)
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Postby United Region Alliance » Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:34 pm

I do want to make it clear the TLDR is in no way connected to the URA in any shape or form. I actually only became aware of this a few days ago. NT is in a heated re-election bid for his seat as President of URA we shall see what the voters of the URA think of this new alliance on top of being President of the URA when they hit the polls tomorrow. I am really not sure their thoughts to be honest. I am very interested in seeing how the election turns out.

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