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Should housing be nationalized?

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So the problems with the wealthy screwing over renters in the USA are getting worse and worse. Ana advocates for stopping private equity firms from buying up housing. I'd go further than that and say that if these are the results capitalism produces, it's time for capitalism to no longer have any role whatsoever in the housing market. It's time for housing to be nationalized. No more of this "muh economic freedumz" crap. They didn't accept that during coronavirus lockdowns, nor should they have. Time for society to take the lesson it learned from that and apply it here as well.
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Postby The free romanians » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:47 pm

I'd say better an housing cooperative
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:52 pm

Yes. Or at least housing that you don’t directly live in. For example if you live in a home, then no that shouldn’t be nationalized but if you own six different homes and don’t even live in the majority than yes those that you don’t live in should be nationalized and taken by the state
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Postby Untecna » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:52 pm

The housing crisis was started by the same people who sought out to make money off of the land and continue to do so while properties and their immense price tags become an even bigger issue for the average person.

People should be guaranteed basic foodstuffs, purified water, living conditions (guaranteed housing; can be basic for cost reasons but should be livable environment; can also be grouped housing), and so on, all for free and provided by the government. No more should any human being suffer from being prevented their basic necessities to live, and no human being should be prevented from being able to thrive.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:54 pm

Yes, and especially those "InVeStMeNt" ones that are hardly (if ever) used.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:55 pm

-Astoria- wrote:Yes, and especially those "InVeStMeNt" ones that are hardly (if ever) used.

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:58 pm

Absolutely. You only really need one house to live in and maybe a cabin up by the lake, and that's about it: owning more than one or two houses in my opinion is quite wasteful, and I do think that we have a moral obligation to expropriate vacant homes that are only used as investments without any compensation whatsoever, and redistribute them on an "from each according to their need" basis. If there's no homes left over after that, then we should take the Singaporean model of public housing and apply it.
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Postby Imperial States of Duotona » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:59 pm

Probably. Shelter is a human neccessity, and putting an extortionate price tag on that just seems immoral.

I think I should have a little inspiration though. Don't just go the Soviet route and build identical houses, that's what drives away tourists.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:02 pm

Imperial States of Duotona wrote:Probably. Shelter is a human neccessity, and putting an extortionate price tag on that just seems immoral.

I think I should have a little inspiration though. Don't just go the Soviet route and build identical houses, that's what drives away tourists.

You are not building said blocks for tourists, though.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:06 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Yes, and especially those "InVeStMeNt" ones that are hardly (if ever) used.

Daily reminder that around 60% of NYC apartments aren’t even occupied

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Postby Imperial States of Duotona » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:06 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
Imperial States of Duotona wrote:Probably. Shelter is a human neccessity, and putting an extortionate price tag on that just seems immoral.

I think I should have a little inspiration though. Don't just go the Soviet route and build identical houses, that's what drives away tourists.

You are not building said blocks for tourists, though.

Overall, if every house looks the same, it make make the place look dull. If you look at pictures of Soviet flats (even ones that still remain in the former SSRs) they always look the same: square blocks of concrete with the bare minimum inside.

If you're a tourist and you see that everywhere you go, it might make the place seem a little gloomy and post-apocalyptic.
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Postby -Azteca Mexico » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:12 pm

Yes, clearly the free market isn't helping the housing crisis, infact it started it.
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Postby The free romanians » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:13 pm

The free romanians wrote:I'd say better an housing cooperative

I am quite surprised more people don't think about the option of cooperaotves
I see this as an great solution
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Postby Countesia » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Not completely, but I do believe in subsidised housing for families in certain earning brackets.

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Postby Arisyan » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Imperial States of Duotona wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:You are not building said blocks for tourists, though.

Overall, if every house looks the same, it make make the place look dull. If you look at pictures of Soviet flats (even ones that still remain in the former SSRs) they always look the same: square blocks of concrete with the bare minimum inside.

If you're a tourist and you see that everywhere you go, it might make the place seem a little gloomy and post-apocalyptic.

Well if the houses serve a purpose, are livable, don't take up an extremely large amount of land and are environmentally sustainable, the I see no problem with Soviet-style blocks. Who cares about tourists? They aren't living in those houses.
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Postby The free romanians » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:22 pm

Arisyan wrote:
Imperial States of Duotona wrote:Overall, if every house looks the same, it make make the place look dull. If you look at pictures of Soviet flats (even ones that still remain in the former SSRs) they always look the same: square blocks of concrete with the bare minimum inside.

If you're a tourist and you see that everywhere you go, it might make the place seem a little gloomy and post-apocalyptic.

Well if the houses serve a purpose, are livable, don't take up an extremely large amount of land and are environmentally sustainable, the I see no problem with Soviet-style blocks. Who cares about tourists? They aren't living in those houses.

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:37 pm

Imperial States of Duotona wrote:Probably. Shelter is a human neccessity, and putting an extortionate price tag on that just seems immoral.

I think I should have a little inspiration though. Don't just go the Soviet route and build identical houses, that's what drives away tourists.

how many tourists have you seen in suburban American housing developments? are they flocking from across the oceans to see the parking lot outside your local Best Buy?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:37 pm

Imperial States of Duotona wrote:If you look at pictures of Soviet flats (even ones that still remain in the former SSRs) they always look the same: square blocks of concrete with the bare minimum inside.

No not really, there were a significant number of cases where that did not happen. If you look at Eastern bloc flats from the Socialist Realist and Classicist period then there was a phase of building more ornate-looking dwellings. Have a look at Karl-Marx-Allee in Berlin as an interesting case study of those styles, which also has a juxtaposition of the cultural buildings such as the Café Moskau and Kino International cinema being built in a much more Functionalist style. The difference of the cultural buildings on the street shows the shift in the preferred building style for phase 2 of the project.

So writing the Eastern bloc's buildings off as "always looking the same" isn't accurate.

And we should also be aware that the West too also went through a significant post-war phase of building prefabricated blocks of flats, that lasted right up until relatively recently, so we perhaps shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking it's only the Eastern bloc/communist countries that did that type of thing.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Imperial States of Duotona wrote:Probably. Shelter is a human neccessity, and putting an extortionate price tag on that just seems immoral.

I think I should have a little inspiration though. Don't just go the Soviet route and build identical houses, that's what drives away tourists.

how many tourists have you seen in suburban American housing developments? are they flocking from across the oceans to see the parking lot outside your local Best Buy?

Relevant (well, slightly).
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:40 pm

Imperial States of Duotona wrote:Probably. Shelter is a human neccessity, and putting an extortionate price tag on that just seems immoral.

I think I should have a little inspiration though. Don't just go the Soviet route and build identical houses, that's what drives away tourists.

Have you seen suburban America and the cookie cutter houses?
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Postby Mtwara » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:43 pm

Why is there a housing crisis in the USA?

Most of America is full of nothing.

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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:43 pm

The New California Republic wrote:And we should also be aware that the West too also went through a significant post-war phase of building prefabricated blocks of flats, that lasted right up until relatively recently, so we perhaps shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking it's only the Eastern bloc/communist countries that did that type of thing.

In addition, does the term "tract housing" ring a bell?
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:45 pm

Mtwara wrote:Why is there a housing crisis in the USA?

Most of America is full of nothing.

The 2008 financial crisis, if I'm not mistaken, played a big role in that.
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