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"Pope criticizes couples who adopt pets instead of children"

Postby New Ulsan » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:25 am

I don't know if this thread was already make, but I'll share this news report anyways
Pope Francis on Wednesday branded couples who adopt pets instead of children as "selfish" as part of a call to resolve the "demographic winter" that the West faces.

The pope addressed a general audience on the topic of parenthood and called on people to have more children as the West faces a declining population.

The pandemic, in particular, saw a sharp decline, with the U.S. alone recording a 7% drop in the national birthrate in 2020, UPI reported.

"Today… we see a form of selfishness," the pope said. "We see that some people do not want to have a child. Sometimes they have one, and that’s it, but they have dogs and cats that take the place of children."

He urged any couple that can’t have children to instead adopt, pointing to Joseph, the "foster father" of Jesus, as an example of the "highest forms of love" that people can attain.

"How many children in the world are waiting for someone to take care of them!" he said. He insisted that the process of adoption must also become easier to allow more people the option.

"It is a risk, yes: having a child is always a risk, either naturally or by adoption," the pope explained. "But it is riskier not to have them. It is riskier to deny fatherhood, or to deny motherhood, be it real or spiritual. But denial, a man or woman who do not develop the sense of fatherhood or motherhood, they are lacking something, something fundamental, something important."

The pope is not known to have any pets at his Vatican residence, but his predecessor, Benedict XVI, had cats, according to the AFP.

The pope also called for the church to pursue a more open embrace of the "people of God" instead of putting priests "on a pedestal." He is currently presiding over a two-year consultation of the Catholic laity around the globe to understand the needs and desires of ordinary faithful and how the church can better serve them.


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Honestly, I’m comfortable with my kitty. She’s calm, very lovable and does her own thing. I’d rather be the local Crazy Cat Man than have kids, and be crazy. I don’t feel ready to have them.
Plus, the Pope should not be commanding how someone should live. He’s a religious leader, not a politician.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:27 am

My two cats would love a human child to play with.

Alas, I am single, so they will not know the joy. And I don't see the pope setting me up here.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:33 am

New Ulsan wrote:What does NSG think of this?

What do you think of it?
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Postby Isvi Lah » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:34 am

Well Mr. Pope, are you gonna fix the income problems?
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Postby New Ulsan » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
New Ulsan wrote:What does NSG think of this?

What do you think of it?


Well, honestly I’m comfortable with my kitty. She’s calm, very lovable and does her own thing. I’d rather be the local Crazy Cat Man than have kids, and be crazy. I don’t feel ready to have them.
Plus, the Pope should not be commanding how someone should live. He’s a religious leader, not a politician.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:59 am

Some people aren’t meant to have children, for some they won’t be able to handle them.

So it’s really not selfish for people to choose not to have children. I more than likely will not have children, why? Well because I want to be the uncle that gets the benefits of having kids and spoiling them all but being able to hand them off after awhile
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:01 am

I'll listen to his opinion on having kids when he has some.

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Postby Spokesland » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:10 am

New Ulsan wrote:I don't know if this thread was already make, but I'll share this news report anyways
He’s a religious leader, not a politician.


He kinda is a politician, but to the church not to the world. He can support that but honestly, pets are fine, pets do like companions tho.......
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Postby GENSOC » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:Some people aren’t meant to have children, for some they won’t be able to handle them.

So it’s really not selfish for people to choose not to have children. I more than likely will not have children, why? Well because I want to be the uncle that gets the benefits of having kids and spoiling them all but being able to hand them off after awhile

Exactly. In my case, I'd love to have kids, I love being around kids and I'm great with them especially older children and teens. But I am deathly terrified that if I did I'd fuck them up awfully.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:Some people aren’t meant to have children, for some they won’t be able to handle them.

So it’s really not selfish for people to choose not to have children. I more than likely will not have children, why? Well because I want to be the uncle that gets the benefits of having kids and spoiling them all but being able to hand them off after awhile


I have that attitude too, (I do not have any, my two brothers did and damn that scared me off) but if we all thought that way there would be no uncles either. They had to suffer for me to get that benefit.
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Postby Spokesland » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:14 am

GENSOC wrote:Exactly. In my case, I'd love to have kids, I love being around kids and I'm great with them especially older children and teens. But I am deathly terrified that if I did I'd fuck them up awfully.


face your fears man, and if you do feel like you are failing just give em a bb gun, some cans, and a fence post, then they don't care.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:14 am

Sure...as soon as he knows anything about how hard and expensive it is to raise kids. Some people do not want children, he needs to get over it. Oh and maybe, just maybe, the leader of the Catholic church should not be saying anything about children considering those scandals are still ongoing and we are still dealing with the consequences of the boarding schools and terrible orphanages.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:16 am

Please be polite towards Pope Francis everyone, it's fine to disagree but please mention the Holy Father with respect.
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Postby Spokesland » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:16 am

Neutraligon wrote:Sure...as soon as he knows anything about how hard and expensive it is to raise kids. Some people do not want children, he needs to get over it. Oh and maybe, just maybe, the leader of the Catholic church should not be saying anything about children considering those scandals are still ongoing.


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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:18 am

Dude I can't even afford a pet deposit and you want me to have actual human kids?
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Postby Nora Xent » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:19 am

Genivaria wrote:Dude I can't even afford a pet deposit and you want me to have actual human kids?
Pope has reached peak Boomer.

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Postby -Astoria- » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:19 am

Why's the heading in quotation marks, for a start?

On a more serious note, it's significantly much more expensive to raise a child (or multiple) these days, if I'm not mistaken.
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Postby Spokesland » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:20 am

-Astoria- wrote:Why's the heading in quotation marks, for a start?

On a more serious note, it's significantly much more expensive to raise a child (or multiple) these days, if I'm not mistaken.


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Postby Haganham » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:22 am

I'm getting pretty sick and tired of old people telling me to do things they've made unaffordable and I'm looking forward to the funeral boom.

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Postby GENSOC » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:25 am

Spokesland wrote:
GENSOC wrote:Exactly. In my case, I'd love to have kids, I love being around kids and I'm great with them especially older children and teens. But I am deathly terrified that if I did I'd fuck them up awfully.


face your fears man, and if you do feel like you are failing just give em a bb gun, some cans, and a fence post, then they don't care.

Wildly bad idea. For one this is a .22 mag household, no BBs to be found.
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Postby Spokesland » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:27 am

GENSOC wrote:
Spokesland wrote:
face your fears man, and if you do feel like you are failing just give em a bb gun, some cans, and a fence post, then they don't care.

Wildly bad idea. For one this is a .22 mag household, no BBs to be found.


:lol2: henry rifles are also nice starters
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Postby Nilokeras » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:30 am

I see the ascetic in the golden palace has seen fit to lecture people on how purely seflish a decision to not have kids is, and even bemoan the demographic decline of the west while not taking into account any of the reasons why people might be having fewer kids on average to begin with.

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Postby Mtwara » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:31 am

First things first - the Pope is a hyprocite. He doesn't have children and he doesn't have to bear the financial or emotional burden of any number of children.

I have kids and I like kids. I would recommend them to anybody, but I understand why some people choose not to have them.

Broadly spekaing I don't agree with the Pope but I think I understand where he's coming from. I don't think he's taking aim at everybody, he's picking on couples that could have children.

Pets are companions but they are not family and I think it is possible to lavish too much time, money and affection on them and this seems to be increasingly common in rich countries. I'm not an animal expert but I am not convinced that cats and dogs today are much happier than cats and dogs in the past, and perhaps today overall we treat them more unnaturally than we used to. Pointing out that all that apparent effort could go to one of many unadopted children is fair enough in my opinion.

Although I understand the argument that in the developed world, parenting standards are very high and children are expensive, I guess the Pope has a global view and I guess a lot of Catholics today aren't raised to that standard in less developed parts of the world, so possibly there is also a question of is it always a valid reason or is it just an excuse? I know plenty of rich couples who still don't have kids.

To me, at the end of the day, once you introduce contraception and pensions, the real motivation for most people to have a lot of kids goes away and the most you can reasonably expect couples to have is in the 1 - 3 range.

I think the real reason for a lack of kids is FOMO and we over-value our young adulthood at the expense of our later years. It's hard to watch everybody else, even on fairly middling salaries travel the world and have a lot of fun while you're stuck at home dealing with screaming, whining parasites and you can feel your youth and beauty slipping away while you do it.

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:35 am

Mtwara wrote:First things first - the Pope is a hyprocite. He doesn't have children and he doesn't have to bear the financial or emotional burden of any number of children.

I have kids and I like kids. I would recommend them to anybody, but I understand why some people choose not to have them.

Broadly spekaing I don't agree with the Pope but I think I understand where he's coming from. I don't think he's taking aim at everybody, he's picking on couples that could have children.

Pets are companions but they are not family and I think it is possible to lavish too much time, money and affection on them and this seems to be increasingly common in rich countries. I'm not an animal expert but I am not convinced that cats and dogs today are much happier than cats and dogs in the past, and perhaps today overall we treat them more unnaturally than we used to. Pointing out that all that apparent effort could go to one of many unadopted children is fair enough in my opinion.

Although I understand the argument that in the developed world, parenting standards are very high and children are expensive, I guess the Pope has a global view and I guess a lot of Catholics today aren't raised to that standard in less developed parts of the world, so possibly there is also a question of is it always a valid reason or is it just an excuse? I know plenty of rich couples who still don't have kids.

To me, at the end of the day, once you introduce contraception and pensions, the real motivation for most people to have a lot of kids goes away and the most you can reasonably expect couples to have is in the 1 - 3 range.

I think the real reason for a lack of kids is FOMO and we over-value our young adulthood at the expense of our later years. It's hard to watch everybody else, even on fairly middling salaries travel the world and have a lot of fun while you're stuck at home dealing with screaming, whining parasites and you can feel your youth and beauty slipping away while you do it.


...Wow that is a lot. First why does it matter if people spend more on their pets, spend more time with their pets etc? They have decided that they do not want kids/do not want to adopt and that is none of the pope's business, particularly considering the fact, as you mentioned, that the pope knows next to nothing about raising kids (or I am guessing having pets). Also...it isn't about youth and beauty, it is about not being too old to do the things you want to do. My mom likes hiking and taking photos, but due to the weight of her equipment and the fact she is getting older, there are certain things she can not do.
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Postby -Astoria- » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:37 am

Spokesland wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Why's the heading in quotation marks, for a start?

On a more serious note, it's significantly much more expensive to raise a child (or multiple) these days, if I'm not mistaken.


The user is quoting a news article

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