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What Form Will The Next Revolution Take?

Postby Kaczynskisatva » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:57 am

There have been, in recent history, two significant, global-scale revolutionary processes which transformed the architecture of the State, (re)introducing new fundamental political ideologies and modes of government:

- Liberalism, starting with the French and American Revolutions

- Socialism, starting with the Russian Revolution


These each had common features:

They transformed the systems of government in most of what was, during their time, the developed world.

The transformative impact of Liberalism in Europe, the Americas and other overseas European territories is something is most likely taken for granted, and so does not need to be cited here with much evidence. The global impact of Socialism is, however, less conceded - so it is worth mentioning that, aside from the Soviet Union, it was also responsible for much of the post-Soviet architecture of Russia, for Chinese Communism, for National Socialism, for the "New Deal "era of American politics, and the rise of "Social Democracy" in Europe, as well as less quantifiable changes to Western culture.

They depended upon technologies which were not previously available, or responded to the problems of new technological states.

The Liberal revolutions depended on the printing press, both as the medium for the proliferation of anti-State ideology and for the practical requirement for large scale electoral systems. The printing press had previously provoked the Protestant Reformation, which was a direct predecessor to these revolutions in the dismantling of the previous Monarchy.

The Socialist revolutions, in turn, depended on the industrial revolution having already taken place, as they were reactions to the wealth inequalities created by industrialization.. Their proposal to seize the means of production depended on the fact that it had already been centralized (and was more effective in these cases than in attempts to seize agricultural production, which caused shortages).

These added de-jure rights to the populations in question, responding to practical discontents identified as being caused by the lack of these rights.

Liberalism added personal and political rights - Socialism added material rights. In both cases, periods of practical discontent or revolutionary opportunity lead to the explanation that material problems would be alleviated by the incorporation of new rights into the social contract.

With respect to the fundamental conditions of this process, I observe that, in the present:

- The industrial revolution has reached an end state in certain areas, culminating in de-industrialization and in informatization, or, the conversion of the economy to one largely based on information processes, both human and driven by information technology, and not on material production. It has become technologically feasible to genetically engineer the population, to clone them (for the State to produce proprietary population) and to keep them in simulated realities for the reception and manipulation of information most of the time, as in the case of all "glowing screen" interactions, of which this forum is one such use.

- The discontents of the populations of the developed world are no longer primarily material, as there is no scarcity of basic goods. The population mostly considers that it can engage in elections, and so their political discontents have been de-politicized and transformed into cultural discontents - their political problems are with other segments of the population who vote for different policies, or who don't understand what they are voting for.

- There is, however, rising spiritual, social and sexual discontent. There is dissatisfaction with the apparent meaninglessness of paper-pushing, number-crunching work, widespread lack of belief in the "meaning" of life, the purpose of civilization, or anything at all. There is increased social isolation, rising pathological loneliness in the elderly which is mirrored in the patterns of younger people who are not yet physically dying from it, a tendency to have fewer friends or no friends, have no organic connection to the place you live in, and to be unable to communicate with anyone who isn't stuck on their phone, which leads one to also become stuck in friend simulators on glowing screens, which is also fundamentally lonely. There is higher relationship instability, sub-replacement birth rates, and greater "involuntary" celibacy, or, refusal to participate in the sexual marketplace under its current conditions.

- These discontents have lead to the rise of symptom-treatments, rising psychiatric drug use, recreational drug use, and escape into pornography, videogames, etc. There is not, of yet, a serious current of proposed political solution to these new discontents.

So, my questions are:

Is the historical cycle of revolution, of which two examples are provided, ended?

If not, what will be the causes, concepts, and mechanism of the next historical stage of revolution or reformation?

What new forms of government may emerge, out of the full adaption of present technologies into the architecture of the State?

What discontents will motivate people to seek to add new rights for themselves to the social contract? What rights could these be?

What vulnerabilities of the present system will be exploited by what opportunities, to allow it to be changed from within, or from without?


Predicting the future is a very difficult business with a poor record of success, so I consider these to be very difficult questions to answer. I do not know what the answers are. Still, since it costs us very little to consider these questions, and since they are of some material significance, we may well try. Thank you for your input.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:08 am

Only two globally significant revolutions in the last 200 years famously. Ignoring the revolutions in the 1820s, 1840s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s, 1880, etc…
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It will occur not as a Revolution, but as a liberation. On January 6th 2022, the one year anniversary of the Democrats scamming the patriots out of tickets to the Capitol Building and the patriots walking in anyways to get what they paid for, a great liberation of the United States of America will occur. Millions and millions of armed patriots with support of patriotic elements of the US Military that stand against the traitorous socialist Democommunists will take back the country through two steps. First, the patriots already in local and state government positions will declare the Democratic Party and the Biden Presidency illegitimate and threaten secession until every Democrat is kicked out of D.C. Then, the patriot militias, while the Democrats are distracted, will take control of every state and federal buildings and declare Donald Trump the permanent God-Emperor of the USA and ban the Democratic Party and create a conservative patriotic utopia without the socialist communist globalist liberal CCP Democrats
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Neanderthaland wrote:Dance-off

Rap battle.
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Postby Hispida » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:23 am

Heloin wrote:Only two globally significant revolutions in the last 200 years famously. Ignoring the revolutions in the 1820s, 1840s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s, 1880, etc…

this. the french revolution and the october revolution aren't the two "globally significant revolutions"; i'd say the springtime of nations, american revolution, 1952 egyptian revolution, xinhai revolution, and meiji restoration among others are equally if not more important.
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Postby Kaczynskisatva » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:23 am

Heloin wrote:Only two globally significant revolutions in the last 200 years famously. Ignoring the revolutions in the 1820s, 1840s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s, 1880, etc…


Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.

Hispida wrote:this. the french revolution and the october revolution aren't the two "globally significant revolutions"; i'd say the springtime of nations, american revolution, 1952 egyptian revolution, xinhai revolution, and meiji restoration among others are equally if not more important.


Same as above. The American revolution, for example, was simply another instance of a revolution to install Liberal, or republican architecture to the State.
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Postby Sandalos » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:24 am

The revolution and the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat will take form in an epic rap battle
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Sandalos wrote:The revolution and the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat will take form in an epic rap battle

"Marxism is Da Best" is the title, and now I am imagining this battle of epic proportions...
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Postby Hispida » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:26 am

Kaczynskisatva wrote:
Heloin wrote:Only two globally significant revolutions in the last 200 years famously. Ignoring the revolutions in the 1820s, 1840s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s, 1880, etc…


Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.

Hispida wrote:this. the french revolution and the october revolution aren't the two "globally significant revolutions"; i'd say the springtime of nations, american revolution, 1952 egyptian revolution, xinhai revolution, and meiji restoration among others are equally if not more important.


Same as above. The American revolution, for example, was simply another instance of a revolution to install Liberal, or republican architecture to the State.

the american revolution was the first liberal republican revolution against an oppressive state. if anything, the american revolution was a precursor to the french revolution; without an american revolution, would there be a french revolution? if the answer is no, then the american revolution is arguably even more important than the french revolution.
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Postby Kaczynskisatva » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:27 am

Sandalos wrote:The revolution and the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat will take form in an epic rap battle


I predict a non-zero chance of someone "rap battling" their electoral opponent during a debate, and winning an election, in a major Western Democracy in the next 50 years. I don't predict that both candidates will engage in a pre-arranged rap battle - I predict that one candidate will use his time on the microphone to diss the other one, by rapping into the mic.

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Postby Heloin » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:27 am

Neanderthaland wrote:Dance-off

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:27 am

The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will be live.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:29 am

Kaczynskisatva wrote:
Heloin wrote:Only two globally significant revolutions in the last 200 years famously. Ignoring the revolutions in the 1820s, 1840s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s, 1880, etc…


Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.

You’re talking about imaginary revolutionary cycles that both ignore actual history or show a severe lack of understanding in how revolutions work.
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Hispida wrote:
Kaczynskisatva wrote:
Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.



Same as above. The American revolution, for example, was simply another instance of a revolution to install Liberal, or republican architecture to the State.

the american revolution was the first liberal republican revolution against an oppressive state. if anything, the american revolution was a precursor to the french revolution; without an american revolution, would there be a french revolution? if the answer is no, then the american revolution is arguably even more important than the french revolution.
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Hispida wrote:
Kaczynskisatva wrote:
Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.



Same as above. The American revolution, for example, was simply another instance of a revolution to install Liberal, or republican architecture to the State.

the american revolution was the first liberal republican revolution against an oppressive state. if anything, the american revolution was a precursor to the french revolution; without an american revolution, would there be a french revolution? if the answer is no, then the american revolution is arguably even more important than the french revolution.

Idk but i don't think the brits were that oppresive
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Sundiata wrote:The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will be live.


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Postby Sandalos » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:34 am

The free romanians wrote:
Hispida wrote:the American revolution was the first liberal republican revolution against an oppressive state. if anything, the American revolution was a precursor to the French revolution; without an American revolution, would there be a french revolution? if the answer is no, then the American revolution is arguably even more important than the French revolution.

Idk but I don't think the brits were that oppressively


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Postby Kaczynskisatva » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:35 am

I edited the OP, to make it clear what I am referring to:
There have been, in recent history, two significant, global-scale revolutionary processes which transformed the architecture of the State, (re)introducing new fundamental political ideologies and modes of government:

- Liberalism, starting with the French and American Revolutions

- Socialism, starting with the Russian Revolution


I am concerned with global revolutions in form of government, not local revolutions against instances of government. The Chinese Communist revolution, for example, was a local revolution against an instance of government, but it did not represent a new form of government. It was a Socialist revolution.
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Postby Nora Xent » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:35 am

what about the agricultural revolution? Without it none of this would have existed (probably.).

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Kaczynskisatva wrote:I edited the OP, to make it clear what I am referring to:

[b]There have been, in recent history, two significant, global-scale revolutionary processes which transformed the architecture of the State, (re)introducing new fundamental political ideologies and modes of government:

- Liberalism, starting with the French and American Revolutions

- Socialism, starting with the Russian Revolution[/b]

I am concerned with global revolutions in form of government, not local revolutions against instances of government. The Chinese Communist revolution, for example, was a local revolution against an instance of government, but it did not represent a new form of government. It was a Socialist revolution.

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Industrial revolution along the lines of automation.
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Probably shooting each other until there's only one side left standing, like the way they've happened across history.
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