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2nd attempt at a NATO-UF Detente (closed)

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The Territories of Sealand
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2nd attempt at a NATO-UF Detente (closed)

Postby The Territories of Sealand » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:52 am

Following the failure of negotiations between NATO and the UF, Sealand has decided to attempt another one. Negotiations are being held in the Sealandian capital, Brunswick.

Rules:
1. Attending nations must stay until a compromise is reached or a majority of attending members votes that compromise is impossible.
2. Profanity and personal attacks are not to be used during negotiations.
3. The treaty must be filled in and edited at the agreement of the majority of the attending nations.
4. The treaty must be agreed by a majority to be fair and accomplish these goals:
-Keeping the peace permanently
-Reforms in NATO to prevent national sovereignty violations
-Providing benefits of this treaty to both NATO and the United Federation


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[box][align=center][b]Treaty of Brunswick: NATO-UF treaty[/b][/align]
This is an empty treaty. Attending nations should fill in this treaty with terms agreed by both NATO and UF members. Remove this message when adding the first terms of the treaty.[/box]
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Sealand is an island in the North Atlantic that is slightly smaller than Bolivia.
POPULATION: 70 million
CAPITAL: Brunswick
LEADER: Little Brother
ANTHEM: Long live Sealand
MORE ABOUT SEALAND: This is the official factbook on Sealand.
Find Sealand's military info here. Scroll up or down to find Sealand. Non-military info should be checked in the factbooks instead of here.
NS stats not canon.



NEWS: Sealand tries to help North American economy - Zarnicovan drugs becoming more popular - Sealand sends humanitarian aid in SO-TKI war

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Janpia
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Postby Janpia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:01 am

A Janpian Representative walks in the room. His name is Konasch Aliver. The same representative who was present during the first NATO-UF talks. He sits down by his designated seat while awaiting others

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Postby Conozek » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:08 am

The Conozekian Representative walks in, he says that he wants the Kingmen Empire to sign it so that no war occurs between Conozek and The King Isle.

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The King Isle
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Postby The King Isle » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:10 am

Conozek wrote:The Conozekian Representative walks in, he says that he wants the Kingmen Empire to sign it so that no war occurs between Conozek and The King Isle.

The Kingmen representative walks in and starts Hitting the Conozekian representative and begins to start a fight with the Conozekian Representative
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Postby Free Metropolitan France » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:12 am

The King Isle wrote:
Conozek wrote:The Conozekian Representative walks in, he says that he wants the Kingmen Empire to sign it so that no war occurs between Conozek and The King Isle.

The Kingmen representative walks in and starts Hitting the Conozekian representative and begins to start a fight with the Conozekian Representative

OOC: *Coughs, it's not allowed here I think. its not a brawl rather high official diplomatic meeting.

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The King Isle
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Postby The King Isle » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:13 am

Free Metropolitan France wrote:
The King Isle wrote:The Kingmen representative walks in and starts Hitting the Conozekian representative and begins to start a fight with the Conozekian Representative

OOC: *Coughs, it's not allowed here I think. its not a brawl rather high official diplomatic meeting.

OOC: ICly I can
Long live The King Isle!
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Janpia
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Postby Janpia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:14 am

Rep. Konasch: *looks at the 2 representatives and whispers to himself* "I should've ask some body guards..."

He gets his phone and looks at the time. He seems a bit cooled off

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- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
-Do NOT check my policies.
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Meretica
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Postby Meretica » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:16 am

Senator Nome arrives, flanked by three guards. He attended the last meeting and holds a grudge against GSA. He does not expect anything to come of this meeting but is trying to keep an open mind. King Organa personally asked him to oversee the meeting on behalf of Meretica.
Direct any and all inquiries to the nation of Maugrym.

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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:18 am

Representative of the Marajarbian Federation to the UF, a young man known as Carl Williams walks into the conference in Brunswick, tired from constantly switching time zones every now and then. Carl was present at the original peace talks, and plans to assist in the creation of the best peace deal possible that benefits all, not one, but all sides. Carl comes with six bodyguards as well.
Proud Co-Founder of the now-defunct IDSF, SETZA Host Nation, Founder of the CFTC. One of the leaders and co-founders of the newly formed UDAF. Co-Founder of UCA.Now Alliance Founder of Global Alliance GA. Nation based on my Political Views of U.S Democrats/Bernie and Biden, as well as parts of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Join GA here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=511142. Also a member of the New ICDN

Some NS stats are indeed canon.

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Postby Free Metropolitan France » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:19 am

French Foreign Minister jean Yves-Le Drian arrives with EU representatives in Brunswick. They get out of Rolls & Royce and begin making their way to the building in front of them.
Jean Yves Le Drian spoke to the EU representative while walking up the steps.
Jean Yves: Monsieur, What are your thoughts about this?
Minister Benjamin: Can't say anything, sire, till we meet them.

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Postby The King Isle » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:21 am

The King Isle wrote:
Conozek wrote:The Conozekian Representative walks in, he says that he wants the Kingmen Empire to sign it so that no war occurs between Conozek and The King Isle.

The Kingmen representative walks in and starts Hitting the Conozekian representative and begins to start a fight with the Conozekian Representative

The Fight eventually ends when the Kingmen Representative is pulled back by his guards
Long live The King Isle!
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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:21 am

Vice President Kamala Harris comes out of the car and begins walking up to the building. It's her third-biggest official diplomatic meeting since the visits of Vietnam, India. She shakes hands with the French Foreign Minister and Janpian representative before taking a seat. Accompanying her are Secret Services Bodyguards.
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Postby The Territories of Sealand » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:24 am

Antrov arrives at the conference. He eyes the Kingmen representative suspiciously, then gets a list of various potential terms for the treaty that Sealand feels would be fair for both sides. He comes with 2 bodyguards who had saved Little Brother's life, and he sits down.

'So, let's start by discussing which reforms, concessions and actions that each side will take to reduce tensions, before discussing what an eased relation between the UF and NATO would look like. Any initial ideas to start us off?'
Sealand is an island in the North Atlantic that is slightly smaller than Bolivia.
POPULATION: 70 million
CAPITAL: Brunswick
LEADER: Little Brother
ANTHEM: Long live Sealand
MORE ABOUT SEALAND: This is the official factbook on Sealand.
Find Sealand's military info here. Scroll up or down to find Sealand. Non-military info should be checked in the factbooks instead of here.
NS stats not canon.



NEWS: Sealand tries to help North American economy - Zarnicovan drugs becoming more popular - Sealand sends humanitarian aid in SO-TKI war

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Southeast Marajarbia
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:29 am

The Territories of Sealand wrote:Antrov arrives at the conference. He eyes the Kingmen representative suspiciously, then gets a list of various potential terms for the treaty that Sealand feels would be fair for both sides. He comes with 2 bodyguards who had saved Little Brother's life, and he sits down.

'So, let's start by discussing which reforms, concessions and actions that each side will take to reduce tensions, before discussing what an eased relation between the UF and NATO would look like. Any initial ideas to start us off?'


"Here is one very major, and yet very simple thing that I am pretty sure a majority of UF members, as well as some NATO members agree upon. We want the United States to either limit its power over NATO and listen to the representatives of other nations who continue to call for reforms, or we want the United States to officially cease its aggression and stop leading NATO, while giving the job to more..experienced diplomats who practice diplomacy in much better fashions." said Carl.
Proud Co-Founder of the now-defunct IDSF, SETZA Host Nation, Founder of the CFTC. One of the leaders and co-founders of the newly formed UDAF. Co-Founder of UCA.Now Alliance Founder of Global Alliance GA. Nation based on my Political Views of U.S Democrats/Bernie and Biden, as well as parts of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Join GA here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=511142. Also a member of the New ICDN

Some NS stats are indeed canon.

OOC Info: High Schooler from around Silicon Valley, California that's very autistic, very intelligent, and also a teenage male. Part-Time Writer and Gamer on Xbox consoles. Democrat supporter in a Republican household.

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Postby Janpia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:31 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Territories of Sealand wrote:Antrov arrives at the conference. He eyes the Kingmen representative suspiciously, then gets a list of various potential terms for the treaty that Sealand feels would be fair for both sides. He comes with 2 bodyguards who had saved Little Brother's life, and he sits down.

'So, let's start by discussing which reforms, concessions and actions that each side will take to reduce tensions, before discussing what an eased relation between the UF and NATO would look like. Any initial ideas to start us off?'


"Here is one very major, and yet very simple thing that I am pretty sure a majority of UF members, as well as some NATO members agree upon. We want the United States to either limit its power over NATO and listen to the representatives of other nations who continue to call for reforms, or we want the United States to officially cease its aggression and stop leading NATO, while giving the job to more..experienced diplomats who practice diplomacy in much better fashions." said Carl.


Rep. Konasch: What kind of power limitations exactly? As far as I know, the NATO General Secretary is from New Provenance.

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

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- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
-Do NOT check my policies.
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
Alliances with:
- WTO
- NATO
-GCN

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Meretica
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Postby Meretica » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:32 am

Senator Nome says, "While the General Secretary may be from New Provenance, it would be folly to claim that the United States doesn't hold a certain... sway... over NATO members."
Direct any and all inquiries to the nation of Maugrym.

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Postby Janpia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:34 am

Meretica wrote:Senator Nome says, "While the General Secretary may be from New Provenance, it would be folly to claim that the United States doesn't hold a certain... sway... over NATO members."


Rep. Konasch: Can you please explain and elaborate further?

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

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- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
-Do NOT check my policies.
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
Alliances with:
- WTO
- NATO
-GCN

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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:35 am

Janpia wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
"Here is one very major, and yet very simple thing that I am pretty sure a majority of UF members, as well as some NATO members agree upon. We want the United States to either limit its power over NATO and listen to the representatives of other nations who continue to call for reforms, or we want the United States to officially cease its aggression and stop leading NATO, while giving the job to more..experienced diplomats who practice diplomacy in much better fashions." said Carl.


Rep. Konasch: What kind of power limitations exactly? As far as I know, the NATO General Secretary is from New Provenance.


"Well, some of these are very simple. The first is allowing NATO to be under the control of new leadership, one that listens to both sides freely and fairly, and one who is democratically elected. This can either be the General Secretary or through another elected form of leadership, and the representatives who I would recommend would be from the NATO members who have specifically called for reform, which includes Atlantica." Said Carl.
Proud Co-Founder of the now-defunct IDSF, SETZA Host Nation, Founder of the CFTC. One of the leaders and co-founders of the newly formed UDAF. Co-Founder of UCA.Now Alliance Founder of Global Alliance GA. Nation based on my Political Views of U.S Democrats/Bernie and Biden, as well as parts of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. Join GA here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=511142. Also a member of the New ICDN

Some NS stats are indeed canon.

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Postby Greatest States Of America » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:36 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
The Territories of Sealand wrote:Antrov arrives at the conference. He eyes the Kingmen representative suspiciously, then gets a list of various potential terms for the treaty that Sealand feels would be fair for both sides. He comes with 2 bodyguards who had saved Little Brother's life, and he sits down.

'So, let's start by discussing which reforms, concessions and actions that each side will take to reduce tensions, before discussing what an eased relation between the UF and NATO would look like. Any initial ideas to start us off?'


"Here is one very major, and yet very simple thing that I am pretty sure a majority of UF members, as well as some NATO members agree upon. We want the United States to either limit its power over NATO and listen to the representatives of other nations who continue to call for reforms, or we want the United States to officially cease its aggression and stop leading NATO, while giving the job to more..experienced diplomats who practice diplomacy in much better fashions." said Carl.


Kamala Harris:Mr. Carls, there is no evidence of the claims that you are making. Washington doesn't control its members and neither dictates its policies all things are agreed by vote and proposals. And we also want your government yo stop making remarks which indicates aggression. Your government has repeatedly made these remarks and attempts. We also contest you to provide evidence of your claims about the United States role in NATO.
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Postby Free Metropolitan France » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:38 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Janpia wrote:
Rep. Konasch: What kind of power limitations exactly? As far as I know, the NATO General Secretary is from New Provenance.


"Well, some of these are very simple. The first is allowing NATO to be under the control of new leadership, one that listens to both sides freely and fairly, and one who is democratically elected. This can either be the General Secretary or through another elected form of leadership, and the representatives who I would recommend would be from the NATO members who have specifically called for reform, which includes Atlantica." Said Carl.


Foreign Minister: I don't quite agree with you. NATO has no official leadership it's led by its members. It's not like other alliances. And thanks for your recommendation but NATO members will decide their own future who will lead them.

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Postby Free Metropolitan France » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:39 am

Meretica wrote:Senator Nome says, "While the General Secretary may be from New Provenance, it would be folly to claim that the United States doesn't hold a certain... sway... over NATO members."

Foreign Minister: Do you have any confirmation and proof?

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Postby Janpia » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:40 am

Free Metropolitan France wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
"Well, some of these are very simple. The first is allowing NATO to be under the control of new leadership, one that listens to both sides freely and fairly, and one who is democratically elected. This can either be the General Secretary or through another elected form of leadership, and the representatives who I would recommend would be from the NATO members who have specifically called for reform, which includes Atlantica." Said Carl.


Foreign Minister: I don't quite agree with you. NATO has no official leadership it's led by its members. It's not like other alliances. And thanks for your recommendation but NATO members will decide their own future who will lead them.


Rep. Konasch: *whispers to the French representative*

Umm we do have a General Secretary and its from New Provenance.

Long live the Janpian Union of Revolutionary States!

5th Era


- NS policies ain't real. (No prison policy? HAA)
- Yes. I am your average commie.
- Nation doesn't totally reflect my political views.(Damn you random policies!)
-Do NOT check my policies.
- Check my military equipments. Worked hard on dem drawings
Alliances with:
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- NATO
-GCN

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Meretica
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Postby Meretica » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:41 am

Senator Nome: "While NATO has no official leader, I think we can all admit that the United States has set itself upon a pedestal. While we have no objection to the States leading NATO, we must object to the States dictating policies to NATO members without their consent. More reforms are needed to consolidate power through democratic means, not tradition."
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Postby Free Metropolitan France » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:42 am

Janpia wrote:
Free Metropolitan France wrote:
Foreign Minister: I don't quite agree with you. NATO has no official leadership it's led by its members. It's not like other alliances. And thanks for your recommendation but NATO members will decide their own future who will lead them.


Rep. Konasch: *whispers to the French representative*

Umm we do have a General Secretary and its from New Provenance.


Foreign Minister: *whispers
I'm not talking about that. What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't have President or Prime Minister. Rather members and general Secretary and NATO Allied Commander who leads the alliance.

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Postby Free Metropolitan France » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:43 am

Meretica wrote:Senator Nome: "While NATO has no official leader, I think we can all admit that the United States has set itself upon a pedestal. While we have no objection to the States leading NATO, we must object to the States dictating policies to NATO members without their consent. More reforms are needed to consolidate power through democratic means, not tradition."


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