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[DRAFT] Procedures for CTEd Nations

Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:40 pm

The General Assembly,

Defining "Ceased to Exist" as a nation that has not had their leader do any of their duties of governance in four weeks, or sixty days if the leader failed to return from their vacation in time;

Saddened that once any nation ceases to exist, their citizens inexplicably disappear, causing millions and in rare situations billions of deaths, which is a horrible tragedy and loss of sentient life;

Surprised that there is no mandate in the General Assembly to remember the tragic losses of ceased to exist nations and to remember and reflect on their cultures, traditions, governments, and more unique characteristics about their nations;

Reminding the General Assembly that very often, there will be diasporas of former citizens of ceased to exist nations that happened to be outside of the country at the time of collapse, and that they will very likely not have permanent residence authorization in the country they are staying in, and are effectively stranded without any benefits of full citizenship anywhere;

Hereby:

  • Mandates that all nations immediately communicate with embassy staff from the ceased to exist nations to notify them of their stranded peoples and communicate with them to assist them with gaining citizenship in their new country, learning information and language about their new country, and notify their citizens of the loss of their own country;
  • Mandates that governments either give citizenship or temporary residence lasting at least five years to stranded peoples;
  • Mandates that all flags on property of the ceased-to-exist nations be put at half staff at the day of the collapse to honor their legacy;
  • And strongly recommends that nations with strong diasporas of former citizens work to educate the citizens of their own country, and coordinate cultural events revolving around their old country.
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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:46 pm

i think the rule that you get banned after 4 inactive weeks should be discontinued. some people just do not have enough time in a certain period, but still want to play when they have enough time. What if a person gets hit by a hurricane and loses their power for a month?
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Postby Wayneactia » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:12 pm

I am willing to wager that this will be declared illegal due to metagaming. You may be able to try able squeeze this one through as a Security Council declaration.
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Postby Vikanias » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:20 pm

Probably illegal due to mega gaming but what do I know
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Postby Tsaivao » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:44 pm

Utquiagvik wrote:i think the rule that you get banned after 4 inactive weeks should be discontinued. some people just do not have enough time in a certain period, but still want to play when they have enough time. What if a person gets hit by a hurricane and loses their power for a month?

You can go into vacation mode if needed. Also, you're not banned, your nation is just deleted. It can be resurrected very easily by just logging back in. Without this mechanism this game would be full of inactive nations floating about.


As for this proposal, I think it will be smitten for metagaming
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:11 am

This is meta gaming. It may be appropriate in the Security Council, perhaps, though what do I know of their new rule set?

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Postby Hulldom » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:21 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:This is meta gaming. It may be appropriate in the Security Council, perhaps, though what do I know of their new rule set?

I doubt it would be legal there. It doesn’t directly address the game mechanic, but it’s certainly a fourth wall break.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:27 am

Definitely illegal for Metagaming. [/one-sixth of GenSec]
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Postby Thousand Branches » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:36 am

Hulldom wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:This is meta gaming. It may be appropriate in the Security Council, perhaps, though what do I know of their new rule set?

I doubt it would be legal there. It doesn’t directly address the game mechanic, but it’s certainly a fourth wall break.

While it wouldn’t be legal in its current form as a Declaration, you would certainly have an easier time making it that way in the SC than in the GA
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:01 am

Ooc: this probably could be made legal, but I doubt it would have the overall effect the author wants if they were to abstract it to the point necessary to make it legal. After all, in real life, how often do national leaders vanish for sixty days? The necessary abstraction would yield unrealistic policy.

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Postby Unibot III » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am

Separatist Peoples wrote: After all, in real life, how often do national leaders vanish for sixty days? The necessary abstraction would yield unrealistic policy.


OOC: Haha, for every odd query in NS, there’s a real life precedent established somewhere in Nigeria…
https://globalvoices.org/2017/05/04/nig ... -know-why/
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:53 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: this probably could be made legal, but I doubt it would have the overall effect the author wants if they were to abstract it to the point necessary to make it legal. After all, in real life, how often do national leaders vanish for sixty days? The necessary abstraction would yield unrealistic policy.


OOC: The Fat Leader (Kim Jong-Un) is the only one I can really recall, having been absent for just over 6 weeks in 2014 and just over a month this last June. Though it appears the Party Apparatus was able to continue their occupation of the northern portion of the Korean peninsula without much issue. Her Majesty Sirikit, the Queen Mother of Thailand has not been seen in public for nearly 9 years either, though she is not really a 'national leader' in the NS sense ;p.

Pedantics aside, IC opposition even if this were to be made legal.
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Postby Quintessence of Dust » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:53 am

OOC: What is "Metagaming"?
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Postby Tsaivao » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:34 am

Unibot III wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote: After all, in real life, how often do national leaders vanish for sixty days? The necessary abstraction would yield unrealistic policy.


OOC: Haha, for every odd query in NS, there’s a real life precedent established somewhere in Nigeria…
https://globalvoices.org/2017/05/04/nig ... -know-why/

Don't forget that one time an Australian PM straight up disappeared without a trace and was never seen again

Of course all of this can be handled internally by chain-of-command/line-of-succession protocols. Doesnt really justify this legislation

Quintessence of Dust wrote:OOC: What is "Metagaming"?


In simple terms, referring to the inside in-character world as a game, and using knowledge from the outside world to influence the inside world. It's like breaking the 4th wall
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Postby Quintessence of Dust » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:45 am

Tsaivao wrote:
Quintessence of Dust wrote:OOC: What is "Metagaming"?


In simple terms, referring to the inside in-character world as a game, and using knowledge from the outside world to influence the inside world. It's like breaking the 4th wall

OOC: That does not seem very simple to me. Wouldn't referring to such actions as part of a game simply be a RL reference? And how is it possible to not use "knowledge from the outside world"?
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:55 pm

Tsaivao wrote:
Unibot III wrote:
OOC: Haha, for every odd query in NS, there’s a real life precedent established somewhere in Nigeria…
https://globalvoices.org/2017/05/04/nig ... -know-why/

Don't forget that one time an Australian PM straight up disappeared without a trace and was never seen again


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Postby Sonakion » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:01 pm

This could work if you change ceased to exist nations to something that isn't meta gaming

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:42 pm

BULLETIN TO THE DELEGATES OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY-- UPDATE TO THE STATUS OF PROPOSAL DRAFT "PROCEDURES FOR CTED NATIONS.

This bulletin has been sent out at approximately 14:42 Algerstonen Time.

Our writers have heard your feedback regarding potential proposal illegality. The Algerstonen writers within the General Assembly Division of the Bureau of World Assembly Membership are working hard and smart at reworking the terminology of the proposal to ensure full legality within the halls of the General Assembly. Our priorities are as follows:

I. Remove the term "Ceased-to-Exist" from all sections of the draft, including both the title and the body of the draft... current status: Ongoing.
II. Consider relocation to the Security Council... current status: Under Debate.

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Postby Rick Perry » Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:45 pm

I like the concept of this however I don't think this should be practiced on the banned

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