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Postby Thousand Branches » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:43 am

Alrighty then! Good day to all our lovely SC friends, I have a fun little draft here for y'all today :D I should give some credit to GK for some of the original inspiration for this draft as well as some credit to like a lot of people for help editing and revising (I'd name everybody but there was like a dozen or so people and that's a lot of listing). Enjoy!

Promotion of WA Diversity


The Security Council,

Recognizing that NationStates is home to a wealth of heroes, villains, and influential figures scattered across its vast plane of existence;

Understanding that the achievements of many notable communities, nations, and regions throughout the multiverse remain unrecognized by the Security Council;

Highlighting, in the pursuit of a more diverse future for the Security Council, several SC resolutions that have previously succeeded in expanding the horizons of the Security Council:
  • Constructive Debate: [resolution=SC#46]Commend The Cat-Tribe[/resolution], a commendation for the nation's mastery of productive debate in the General Assembly and elsewhere, creating solutions to age-old problems through effective argument.
  • Warzone Leadership: [resolution=SC#87]Commend Warzone Codger[/resolution], which commends an influential leader and community builder of the famously unstable warzone regions.
  • Record-keeping: [resolution=SC#284]Commend Common Territories[/resolution], a resolution that succeeds in commending a nation for their expert records of national history, management, industry, and alliances.
  • Statistical Anomalism: [resolution=SC#298]Commend Kindjal[/resolution], a resolution to point out a masterclass of intranational commendability through statistical national rankings.
  • Artistic Generosity: [resolution=SC#304]Commend Almonaster Nuevo[/resolution], a particularly unique resolution commending a nation for their people’s incredible gifts in digital artwork and their generosity in sharing those gifts through the multiverse.
  • Sporting Prowess: [Resolution=SC#309]Commend Vilita and Turori[/resolution], a commendation for a nation known far and wide for its wealth of prestigious international sports victories as well as its contributions to the sporting community.
  • Storytelling Expertise: [resolution=SC#334]Commend The Templar High Council[/resolution], an appreciation of the innumerable and fantastical tales spun by the people of The Templar High Council, as well as their aid in helping others to reach the same mastery of storytelling as their people have achieved.
  • Artwork Aggregation: [resolution=SC#287]Condemn Koem Kab[/resolution], a condemnation for the nation’s inordinate collection of international artwork and grand, year-long manipulation of the artwork market.

Praising these resolutions (and several others) for bringing a wealth of little-known communities to the attention of the Security Council, and delighted that the examples they’ve provided lay out a wonderful baseline for future diversity in the Security Council; but

Acknowledging that there remains substantial room to grow, especially as the Security Council continues to modernize its practices and ideals;

Hereby declares that the Security Council and all its authors should, in the future, strive to use their skills and powers to acknowledge under-represented communities, nations, and regions across the multiverse in an effort to work towards a more inclusive future for the World Assembly.
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Postby Thousand Branches » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:43 am

As a note, I would also like to formally request a legality check on the last clause as to whether the "non binding" declaration stuff applies negatively there.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:55 am

Support in principle. I mean that's what I've been trying to do in recent days at least =P

I'm assuming that your angle here is "recent-ish example of note" rather than "first prominent C&C of a particular type." I believe that there were a couple of sports Commends (and one art-related C&C, Commend Imagey Nation) in the early 2010s or so.
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Postby Thousand Branches » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:58 am

Tinhampton wrote:Support in principle. I mean that's what I've been trying to do in recent days at least =P

I'm assuming that your angle here is "recent-ish example of note" rather than "first prominent C&C of a particular type." I believe that there were a couple of sports Commends (and one art-related C&C, Commend Imagey Nation) in the early 2010s or so.

Yep, mostly the goal was actually to find really well written resolutions or ones that I particularly liked (hence why CT is in there over other rp commends). Unfortunately a lot of older resolutions are a little more simplistic and so work less well as examples here. The only old one I have is Codger and that’s cuz it’s pretty much the only warzone related c&c :p
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Postby Grea Kriopia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:46 am

Very excited to see this as a polished proposal with no bias whatsoever and an interesting concept for the future use of declarations
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Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:32 am

I find this proposal interesting, and look forward to see where it goes. Nicely written, and more than likely I'll support it at vote.
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Postby Giovanniland » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:11 pm

Thousand Branches wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Support in principle. I mean that's what I've been trying to do in recent days at least =P

I'm assuming that your angle here is "recent-ish example of note" rather than "first prominent C&C of a particular type." I believe that there were a couple of sports Commends (and one art-related C&C, Commend Imagey Nation) in the early 2010s or so.

Yep, mostly the goal was actually to find really well written resolutions or ones that I particularly liked (hence why CT is in there over other rp commends). Unfortunately a lot of older resolutions are a little more simplistic and so work less well as examples here. The only old one I have is Codger and that’s cuz it’s pretty much the only warzone related c&c :p

While I understand this reasoning, personally I'd choose Condemn Koem Kab over Commend r3n (unless you are looking for commendations only, since you only seem to list those), not because it was the first resolution but because of Koem's influence in cards: r3n is also really notable and would probably make it in a hypothetical top 3, but if I had to choose one person to be the most notable player, it would be Koem.

Perhaps this would be also useful in regards to other communities, ask them about the resolution they feel most represents them? Although it might be hard sometimes if there's significant disagreement.
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Postby Hulldom » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm

I concur with Gio here. R3n is lovely but his work is way more than just cards!
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Postby Thousand Branches » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:50 pm

Giovanniland wrote:
Thousand Branches wrote:Yep, mostly the goal was actually to find really well written resolutions or ones that I particularly liked (hence why CT is in there over other rp commends). Unfortunately a lot of older resolutions are a little more simplistic and so work less well as examples here. The only old one I have is Codger and that’s cuz it’s pretty much the only warzone related c&c :p

While I understand this reasoning, personally I'd choose Condemn Koem Kab over Commend r3n (unless you are looking for commendations only, since you only seem to list those), not because it was the first resolution but because of Koem's influence in cards: r3n is also really notable and would probably make it in a hypothetical top 3, but if I had to choose one person to be the most notable player, it would be Koem.

Perhaps this would be also useful in regards to other communities, ask them about the resolution they feel most represents them? Although it might be hard sometimes if there's significant disagreement.

You’re not the first person who’s argued for KK instead of r3n, I’ll make sure to think on it. And yeah I imagine it’s an argument and/or there isn’t many options for a lot of communities
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:06 pm

[bias] Commend Trotterdam was somewhat rare in that it was a feedback/community-focused issues commend, rather than straight authorship as is more typical; if you're looking to add more "archetypes" of resolutions to the list it seems like a good option. The only other "pure" issues commend that's passed with so few issues was CWA, but that was more for R3a-dodging reasons. [/bias]

I'd also like to see some regional c/c's (Commend Haiku sticks out, but also Commend Forest) as examples. There's obviously some criteria you've selected these by (there's no r/d or authorship of any type) which is cool but those criteria inform what I would recommend to include. W/r/t cards, for instance, if you're talking about "broadening horizons" then KK is definitely the best choice as it paved the way for cards resolutions, but I do like 1vfe as an inclusion purely because TNP's cards guild was the first properly organised cards-based program, and if you look around there's now heaps of them.

Of course, the actual list is less of a voting concern for me than the idea behind the resolution, and I'd vote for this almost irrespectively of what examples you chose.

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Postby Thousand Branches » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:23 pm

SherpDaWerp wrote:[bias] Commend Trotterdam was somewhat rare in that it was a feedback/community-focused issues commend, rather than straight authorship as is more typical; if you're looking to add more "archetypes" of resolutions to the list it seems like a good option. The only other "pure" issues commend that's passed with so few issues was CWA, but that was more for R3a-dodging reasons. [/bias]

I'd also like to see some regional c/c's (Commend Haiku sticks out, but also Commend Forest) as examples. There's obviously some criteria you've selected these by (there's no r/d or authorship of any type) which is cool but those criteria inform what I would recommend to include. W/r/t cards, for instance, if you're talking about "broadening horizons" then KK is definitely the best choice as it paved the way for cards resolutions, but I do like 1vfe as an inclusion purely because TNP's cards guild was the first properly organised cards-based program, and if you look around there's now heaps of them.

Of course, the actual list is less of a voting concern for me than the idea behind the resolution, and I'd vote for this almost irrespectively of what examples you chose.

I originally did have several archetypes included actually, including many of the examples you listed here. Most notably, Commend Haiku was there for the sake of widening the horizons of creativity in the SC, FJS was there for issues, and IA’s two commends were there for GA stuff. I ended up removing them for length’s sake because I think this is a pretty good number of resolutions where it isn’t too few that it doesn’t provide enough examples but not too many that it just drags on.

I think I will avoid regional c&c since that isn’t entirely uncommon (although usually tied to be gp in some way). I will take a look at Trotterdam to see if it’s something I’d look at including in the future :)

Oh and also I have now changed r3ns commend over to KK as an all encompassing artwork c&c because I think that better follows the artwork community itself and not just its outreach into regional organizations. Thanks for the suggestions all :)
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Postby SherpDaWerp » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:26 pm

Thousand Branches wrote:I ended up removing them for length’s sake because I think this is a pretty good number of resolutions where it isn’t too few that it doesn’t provide enough examples but not too many that it just drags on.

Fair concern; and I do agree that the current list is around a good length.

Good luck with the rest of the drafting!

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Postby Unibot III » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:27 am

Issue players? Generalities?
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Postby Thousand Branches » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:30 am

Unibot III wrote:Issue players? Generalities?

I’m guessing this is suggestions for further categories? Issues are, as previously mentioned, one that I ended up removing for space issues because of all the communities, there’s actually a pretty good amount of issue c&c.

Gonna be honest, I have no idea what a generality is supposed to mean in this context I apologize :p If that’s referring to NSG people, I’m relatively sure no resolutions exist to honor those folks, at least not passed ones.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:12 pm

Thousand Branches wrote:
Unibot III wrote:Issue players? Generalities?

I’m guessing this is suggestions for further categories? Issues are, as previously mentioned, one that I ended up removing for space issues because of all the communities, there’s actually a pretty good amount of issue c&c.

Gonna be honest, I have no idea what a generality is supposed to mean in this context I apologize :p If that’s referring to NSG people, I’m relatively sure no resolutions exist to honor those folks, at least not passed ones.

Unibot wrote Commend The Cat-Tribe largely for his contributions to NSG although that was a decade ago :P
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:33 pm

Thousand Branches wrote:
Unibot III wrote:Issue players? Generalities?

I’m guessing this is suggestions for further categories? Issues are, as previously mentioned, one that I ended up removing for space issues because of all the communities, there’s actually a pretty good amount of issue c&c.

Gonna be honest, I have no idea what a generality is supposed to mean in this context I apologize :p If that’s referring to NSG people, I’m relatively sure no resolutions exist to honor those folks, at least not passed ones.


To be blunt, the proximity to a GCR delegacy seat dictates the likelihood of being commended, and follows generally in this order:

1. Long serving GCR delegates, the shittier the better.
2. Aspiring GCR delegates. If you’ve farted in a bath tub in TNP, somewhere someone is writing a resolution in your honour.
3. GCR politicians moonlighting as WA Authors, Issue Players, Roleplayers, or Defenders
4. Sycophantic WA Authors whose success depends on their relationship to GCR voting blocs
5. UCR politicians in regions allied to GCR regions
6. Defenders who have supported a liberation of a GCR
….
16. Roleplayers in regions that GCR officials vaguely recognize the name of from the NS World Fair
17. Gholgoth?
18. Some weird Warzone stuff
19. NS Sports
20. NS General
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Postby Lenlyvit » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:48 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Thousand Branches wrote:I’m guessing this is suggestions for further categories? Issues are, as previously mentioned, one that I ended up removing for space issues because of all the communities, there’s actually a pretty good amount of issue c&c.

Gonna be honest, I have no idea what a generality is supposed to mean in this context I apologize :p If that’s referring to NSG people, I’m relatively sure no resolutions exist to honor those folks, at least not passed ones.


To be blunt, the proximity to a GCR delegacy seat dictates the likelihood of being commended, and follows generally in this order:

1. Long serving GCR delegates, the shittier the better.
2. Aspiring GCR delegates. If you’ve farted in a bath tub in TNP, somewhere someone is writing a resolution in your honour.
3. GCR politicians moonlighting as WA Authors, Issue Players, Roleplayers, or Defenders
4. Sycophantic WA Authors whose success depends on their relationship to GCR voting blocs
5. UCR politicians in regions allied to GCR regions
6. Defenders who have supported a liberation of a GCR
….
16. Roleplayers in regions that GCR officials vaguely recognize the name of from the NS World Fair
17. Gholgoth?
18. Some weird Warzone stuff
19. NS Sports
20. NS General

Not really sure where I fall into those categories :p. TECT I don't think falls into any.
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Postby Astrobolt » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:08 pm

I’m not convinced that contributions to NSG (on their own) are commendable, so I would not stress its inclusion.
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Postby Thousand Branches » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:22 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Thousand Branches wrote:I’m guessing this is suggestions for further categories? Issues are, as previously mentioned, one that I ended up removing for space issues because of all the communities, there’s actually a pretty good amount of issue c&c.

Gonna be honest, I have no idea what a generality is supposed to mean in this context I apologize :p If that’s referring to NSG people, I’m relatively sure no resolutions exist to honor those folks, at least not passed ones.


To be blunt, the proximity to a GCR delegacy seat dictates the likelihood of being commended, and follows generally in this order:

1. Long serving GCR delegates, the shittier the better.
2. Aspiring GCR delegates. If you’ve farted in a bath tub in TNP, somewhere someone is writing a resolution in your honour.
3. GCR politicians moonlighting as WA Authors, Issue Players, Roleplayers, or Defenders
4. Sycophantic WA Authors whose success depends on their relationship to GCR voting blocs
5. UCR politicians in regions allied to GCR regions
6. Defenders who have supported a liberation of a GCR
….
16. Roleplayers in regions that GCR officials vaguely recognize the name of from the NS World Fair
17. Gholgoth?
18. Some weird Warzone stuff
19. NS Sports
20. NS General

I would argue forum rpers are down low on that list too (hence the clause for forum rp). Honestly, I gotta say I don’t think I’d like to remove any of the current examples and adding more would make this list even longer, so I’ll think on adding NSG stuff, but at the moment I don’t think it’s something I’d like to do. Of course if you’d like to argue more extensively I’m absolutely willing to listen ^-^
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:15 am

Thousand Branches wrote:As a note, I would also like to formally request a legality check on the last clause as to whether the "non binding" declaration stuff applies negatively there.

"Hereby promises"? That's too strong a wording; something like "urges" or "encourages" would be okay, or "declares that [...] should".

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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:21 am

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Tinhampton wrote:Unibot wrote Commend The Cat-Tribe largely for his contributions to NSG although that was a decade ago :P

If it isn't going to sink the proposal because Unibot, I would suggest crediting this resolution. For all his flaws, Unibot was the first SCer to really make a concerted effort to involve and recognise other communities in the SC, and Commend TCT is the best example of that. From memory, I don't think anyone has managed an NSG-based C/C since.

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Postby Thousand Branches » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:59 am

Sedgistan wrote:
Thousand Branches wrote:As a note, I would also like to formally request a legality check on the last clause as to whether the "non binding" declaration stuff applies negatively there.

"Hereby promises"? That's too strong a wording; something like "urges" or "encourages" would be okay, or "declares that [...] should".

Thank you for the legality check, I will make that change soon ^-^

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Tinhampton wrote:Unibot wrote Commend The Cat-Tribe largely for his contributions to NSG although that was a decade ago :P

If it isn't going to sink the proposal because Unibot, I would suggest crediting this resolution. For all his flaws, Unibot was the first SCer to really make a concerted effort to involve and recognise other communities in the SC, and Commend TCT is the best example of that. From memory, I don't think anyone has managed an NSG-based C/C since.

Alright, it sounds like an interesting prospect, I’ll look into it, thank you :)
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Postby Thousand Branches » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:06 pm

The last clause has been changed to "advocates" rather than "promises" to counteract legality issues.

An extra clause has been added for "Commend The Cat-Tribe" and I've decided against removing another resolution in favor of it so I've just made the section one clause longer :)
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:21 pm

I’ll note I didn’t bring it up for ‘Commend TCT’ specifically to be cited, I didn’t realize that there weren’t other examples of NSG Commendations (I thought there were, tbh.)

I just felt that community was being overlooked. It’s one of the oldest forum communities in NS.
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Postby Thousand Branches » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:25 pm

Unibot III wrote:I’ll note I didn’t bring it up for ‘Commend TCT’ specifically to be cited, I didn’t realize that there weren’t other examples of NSG Commendations (I thought there were, tbh.)

I just felt that community was being overlooked. It’s one of the oldest forum communities in NS.

Totally fair. Other than the drafting thread for Commend Kowani, I’m pretty sure it’s the only mention of NSG as a major resolution topic. I did look through all the resolutions before I made this proposal and I didn’t see any others (I missed this one cuz it looks like a GA commend upon first glance). Anyway, it’s a relatively good example overall and a good community to highlight, I don’t feel bad about putting it in there.
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