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Is he guilty or is he not guilty?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:09 pm

Guilty of all charges
181
22%
Guilty of some charges
113
14%
Not guilty - self defense
452
55%
Not guilty - other reason
7
1%
Objection! Mistrial or something
13
2%
I don't know or care...
50
6%
 
Total votes : 816

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The Lone Alliance
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:32 pm

The Reason why Rittenhouse didn't bother to get his gun back is because he's simply going the way of getting money through donations to sue the media.

As a grift goes it's a good one.

Least's we'll get Journalists crying crocodile tears about how this is proof that they're being horribly oppressed even though for the vast majority of them there's no case.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:32 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:The Reason why Rittenhouse didn't bother to get his gun back is because he's simply going the way of getting money through donations to sue the media.

As a grift goes it's a good one.

Least's we'll get Journalists crying crocodile tears about how this is proof that they're being horribly oppressed even though for the vast majority of them there's no case.

TBH, lots of media types, politicians/govt officials, youtubers/twatters, etc., need to be sued into poverty for slander and libel.

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Alexander-of-Macedon
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Postby Alexander-of-Macedon » Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:36 pm

Whoopi Goldberg and TYT can kiss their asses goodbye. Kyle may be Suing them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... i-goldberg

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Postby Galloism » Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:38 pm

Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:Whoopi Goldberg and TYT can kiss their asses goodbye. Kyle may be Suing them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... i-goldberg

Looking at the Whoopi statement, I don't think a lawsuit against her would have a chance in hell.

TYT it might - they made demonstrably false and defamatory statements that had a reckless disregard of the truth when they declared his chased Rosenbaum down and shot him in the back.
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Postby Alexander-of-Macedon » Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:41 pm

Galloism wrote:
Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:Whoopi Goldberg and TYT can kiss their asses goodbye. Kyle may be Suing them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... i-goldberg

Looking at the Whoopi statement, I don't think a lawsuit against her would have a chance in hell.

TYT it might - they made demonstrably false and defamatory statements that had a reckless disregard of the truth when they declared his chased Rosenbaum down and shot him in the back.


if he sues TYT I bet they will go bankrupt they probably barely earn enough money from youtube looking at their social blade

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/theyoungturks

their growth is also not the best.

not to mention their views are own a downward slope
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Postby Galloism » Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:12 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:The Reason why Rittenhouse didn't bother to get his gun back is because he's simply going the way of getting money through donations to sue the media.

As a grift goes it's a good one.

Least's we'll get Journalists crying crocodile tears about how this is proof that they're being horribly oppressed even though for the vast majority of them there's no case.

Give the nature of how it works for public figures (and let's face it, he's a public figure - he embraced it and now he has to own it), only the most extreme and egregious examples will likely survive, and there will be precious few of those.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:00 am

Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:Whoopi Goldberg and TYT can kiss their asses goodbye. Kyle may be Suing them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... i-goldberg

Goldberg's comments are absolutely protected by the First Amendment.

TYT calling him a murderer is also protected speech. But success isn’t the point, I guess. The grift is the point. Performative lawsuits are lucrative business.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:09 am

Gravlen wrote:
Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:Whoopi Goldberg and TYT can kiss their asses goodbye. Kyle may be Suing them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... i-goldberg

Goldberg's comments are absolutely protected by the First Amendment.

TYT calling him a murderer is also protected speech. But success isn’t the point, I guess. The grift is the point. Performative lawsuits are lucrative business.


And then when he loses he can cry oppression for cash.

Unless the reason for the out of state filing is because he’s shopping around for a state with favourable laws regarding SLAPP suits.

Plus given all the right wing and white supremacist groups queuing up to throw money and air time at him he’s going to have a hell of a time proving that the statements were damaging to him.
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Postby Keemstar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Goldberg's comments are absolutely protected by the First Amendment.

TYT calling him a murderer is also protected speech. But success isn’t the point, I guess. The grift is the point. Performative lawsuits are lucrative business.


And then when he loses he can cry oppression for cash.

Unless the reason for the out of state filing is because he’s shopping around for a state with favourable laws regarding SLAPP suits.

Plus given all the right wing and white supremacist groups queuing up to throw money and air time at him he’s going to have a hell of a time proving that the statements were damaging to him.


no he will be happy if they spend millions of dollars trying to fight him while his fans crowd fund his expenses
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Postby Keemstar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:04 am

he could also write a book and get a few million
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:22 am

Keemstar wrote:he could also write a book and get a few million

I cant wait to read kyle rittenhouse's book. I will buy $ one.
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Postby Keemstar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:28 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Keemstar wrote:he could also write a book and get a few million

I cant wait to read kyle rittenhouse's book. I will buy $ one.


not sure if that is sarcasm but it would sure make a lot of money
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Postby Galloism » Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:05 am

Gravlen wrote:
Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:Whoopi Goldberg and TYT can kiss their asses goodbye. Kyle may be Suing them

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... i-goldberg

Goldberg's comments are absolutely protected by the First Amendment.

TYT calling him a murderer is also protected speech. But success isn’t the point, I guess. The grift is the point. Performative lawsuits are lucrative business.

I personally have sympathy for the plight of someone in those shoes - particularly given the extreme level of evidence of his innocence and the complete disregard of it by so many people.

But… if we are going to have a free exchange of ideas and protections for speech, that means even bad ideas are protected, and uninformed opinions are protected. We just all hope that the facts will win out in the end in the public space.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Alexander-of-Macedon » Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:26 am

Galloism wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Goldberg's comments are absolutely protected by the First Amendment.

TYT calling him a murderer is also protected speech. But success isn’t the point, I guess. The grift is the point. Performative lawsuits are lucrative business.

I personally have sympathy for the plight of someone in those shoes - particularly given the extreme level of evidence of his innocence and the complete disregard of it by so many people.

But… if we are going to have a free exchange of ideas and protections for speech, that means even bad ideas are protected, and uninformed opinions are protected. We just all hope that the facts will win out in the end in the public space.


It is protected but in America you can sue anyone he can sue them for defamation.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:48 am

Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:
Galloism wrote:I personally have sympathy for the plight of someone in those shoes - particularly given the extreme level of evidence of his innocence and the complete disregard of it by so many people.

But… if we are going to have a free exchange of ideas and protections for speech, that means even bad ideas are protected, and uninformed opinions are protected. We just all hope that the facts will win out in the end in the public space.


It is protected but in America you can sue anyone he can sue them for defamation.

Very likely though, aside from TYT and a few corner cases, he'll lose and wind up paying their expenses though.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Keemstar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:49 am

Galloism wrote:
Alexander-of-Macedon wrote:
It is protected but in America you can sue anyone he can sue them for defamation.

Very likely though, aside from TYT and a few corner cases, he'll lose and wind up paying their expenses though.


as i said he can write a book and crowd fund for legal expenses
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:24 am

Keemstar wrote:
Galloism wrote:Very likely though, aside from TYT and a few corner cases, he'll lose and wind up paying their expenses though.


as i said he can write a book and crowd fund for legal expenses

For the purpose of fleecing the crowds and adding unnecessary burdens on the legal system by filing frivolous lawsuits?

Can't he just simply take money from idiots and say that he did? It'll make everyone happier.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:27 am

Gravlen wrote:
Keemstar wrote:
as i said he can write a book and crowd fund for legal expenses

For the purpose of fleecing the crowds and adding unnecessary burdens on the legal system by filing frivolous lawsuits?

Can't he just simply take money from idiots and say that he did? It'll make everyone happier.

I mean, he theoretically still could do that, since no paperwork has been filed yet to my knowledge.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Gravlen » Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:29 am

Galloism wrote:
Gravlen wrote:For the purpose of fleecing the crowds and adding unnecessary burdens on the legal system by filing frivolous lawsuits?

Can't he just simply take money from idiots and say that he did? It'll make everyone happier.

I mean, he theoretically still could do that, since no paperwork has been filed yet to my knowledge.

Here's hoping. *Crosses fingers*
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Keemstar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:11 pm

Galloism wrote:
Gravlen wrote:For the purpose of fleecing the crowds and adding unnecessary burdens on the legal system by filing frivolous lawsuits?

Can't he just simply take money from idiots and say that he did? It'll make everyone happier.

I mean, he theoretically still could do that, since no paperwork has been filed yet to my knowledge.


seems he definitely could when tucker asked about it he said he had a few in mind a directly called out TYT and Whoopi Goldberg

posted Feb 21, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJtkFn1-jU

He also founded TMAP the media accountability project
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:17 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And then when he loses he can cry oppression for cash.

Unless the reason for the out of state filing is because he’s shopping around for a state with favourable laws regarding SLAPP suits.

Plus given all the right wing and white supremacist groups queuing up to throw money and air time at him he’s going to have a hell of a time proving that the statements were damaging to him.


no he will be happy if they spend millions of dollars trying to fight him while his fans crowd fund his expenses


I mean, that's what they said. He will get gullible halfwits to throw money at him for "heroically" filing frivolous lawsuits against people who said things that really hurt conservative feefees.

It's a good grift if you can get it.

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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:04 pm

Honestly I'm really tired of the whole Rittenhouse worship going on. I'm glad that Kyle wasn't found guilty, but he really shouldn't have been there in the first place. He's just a kid who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Not some godly hero....
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Postby Galloism » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:08 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:Honestly I'm really tired of the whole Rittenhouse worship going on. I'm glad that Kyle wasn't found guilty, but he really shouldn't have been there in the first place. He's just a kid who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Not some godly hero....

Nuance is cheating.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Keemstar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:13 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Keemstar wrote:
no he will be happy if they spend millions of dollars trying to fight him while his fans crowd fund his expenses


I mean, that's what they said. He will get gullible halfwits to throw money at him for "heroically" filing frivolous lawsuits against people who said things that really hurt conservative feefees.

It's a good grift if you can get it.


I'm happy if msnbc or Cucks News Network has to pay millions of dollars fighting him in court.
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Ezekiel 25:17
And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.

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Postby Kalaron » Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:49 pm

Keemstar wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
I mean, that's what they said. He will get gullible halfwits to throw money at him for "heroically" filing frivolous lawsuits against people who said things that really hurt conservative feefees.

It's a good grift if you can get it.


I'm happy if msnbc or Cucks News Network has to pay millions of dollars fighting him in court.

On the one hand, I disagree with your wording
On the other, good lord I hope they go bankrupt (I know they won't)

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