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[Draft] A cenezoic camping conundrum

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[Draft] A cenezoic camping conundrum

Postby Iceagea » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:29 am

[Draft] Hello there, this is my first post so I’m awfully sorry if I haven’t done it properly and also my first issue, I’ve edited the draft here and there throughout the day and am wondering if there is anywhere more I can change, is too questionable or controversial, has bad grammar (a weak point of mine), etc.

Thank you for any advice. (Draft 2)

A Cenezoic camping conundrum.

Campers are being left even more miserable than usual after their campfires are put out by an endangered Neanderthal tribe living in the world famous semi submerged forest. The tribe are claiming its historic tribal land. The leader has been nicknamed “Scruffy The Campfire Slayer.” You call a public assembly to suggest ideas on how to proceed.


Choice1: “I’ve never felt so frustrated!” Cries Wolff Ovens, avid camper and presenter of hit TV show Danger In The Wild as he carves out an axe from your desk. “I can’t make my show if I can’t camp safely in the wild! You must make disturbing a campsite a severe criminal offence!”

Fallout: A common saying these days is survival for me but not for thee.

Choice2: “Nobody has a claim to the ancient forest!” Squeals Jennifer Green, nature activist and representative of Nature Supreme as she literally hovers in the doorway so as to avoid disturbing the bacteria in your shag carpet. “All forms of human disturbance in the wild including these cave people leave nothing but destruction in their wake!”

Fallout: Raking leaves means life behind bars.


Choice3: “Why not just wipe them out? There’s more of us than them OOF!” suggests caravaner Joe Smith right before being knocked out by a rock flying through your window. A picture drawn in toxic garbleberry juice is attached, it shows you in the jaws of a sea bear.

Fallout: The government headquarters is surrounded by an anti sea bear circle.

Choice4: The slightly scary secretary for housing development steps forward. “Dearest leader, may I suggest cutting the forest down? Why have 60 metre trees when you can have 60 story apartments surrounded by canals!” A forked tongue darts out and back in. “Who cares if it releases a few million tonnes of co2 and displaces a severely dwindled population of indigenous people?” He smiles “I know I don’t!”

Fallout: People navigate using muddy canals.


A group of Neanderthals have been sighted behind the country’s northern glacier by some hikers, the cave people have sparked such interest and debate in the community that during your opening of the new history museum a group of people accost you to share their thoughts as to what you should do.

“Integrate them that’s what I say!” Exclaims the excitable museum curator. “imagine how much tourism we’d get from people coming to ——— if we had them working in the museum!” He bounces on his heels. “Equally paid of course.”

Museum guests confuse wax caveman models for museum workers.

“No leave them alone!” Cries a visitor pushing her way to the front. “God knows what diseases they have or what we’ll give them!” She sneezes violently into a tissue. “Not to mention the shock they’d have integrating into such a fast paced modern world *sniff*.”

People are advised to socially distance in the wild.

A skinny man shoves her out of the way. “As the museum labs top scientist I believe it would only be right to let us experiment on them.” He rubs his hands. “Imagine we could take their strength and stamina and combine it with ours, I…we could benefit greatly with a scientific opportunity such as that.”

Gyms go out of business.

“You’re onto something there doc” states a woman you recognise as the ex defence secretary for the previous leader “My name is Nicola Furious, make me defence secretary again, let me take doc here and we’ll combine their genes with the soldiers, we’ll create a super army the envy of the world.”

Soldiers wear their underpants on the outside of latex suits.
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Postby Umbratellus » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:00 am

The issue needs a bit of work to make up its mind what it is about. Is this an issue about Neanderthals or camping? The current framing feels like two issues spliced together in a way that doesn't really make sense or work.

Let's start with the fact that Neanderthals have been extinct for tens of thousands of years at the barest minimum; why are there no options about preserving these people out of time? There are no options to allow them to remain and prevent your people from interfering, no option to study how they might have survived in this out of the way place, no hint as to what other rarities might be found down there. How is this "submerged forest" a world famous place that also has been hiding a thought-to-be extinct lineage of homo for untold thousands of years in isolation? If anything, it would make more sense to frame it as newly discovered. How are you communicating with them already? Do these Neanderthals speak your language? How are they telling you it's tribal land? Why are there no options from the tribe in question?

Breaking down each option, we have;
1. Ban campsite interference and arrest cave people
2. Ban camping and exile cave people
3. Genocide cave people
4. Bulldoze cave (?) environment to build apartments and also genocide cave people

Find an identity for your issue. Is this about camping rights? If it is, then reframe it in a more sensible manner. Maybe an environmental activist destroyed a bunch of campsites. Maybe some campers killed an endangered species without knowing about it. Take a look at places like Mount Everest now; people leave thousands of pounds of trash up there every year degrading the environment. That could be a "camping rights" issue.

If you want an issue about Neanderthals, it should to be framed that way. What rights do they have? Should they be studied? Destroyed? Preserved? Integrated into your society? Left alone?

If you want an issue about camping in indigenous land, that should focus more on actual "tribal rights" and less on cavemen.

I'd suggest really breaking down what you want the issue to be about, creating an outline of what possibilities the options should present, and then re-drafting from there.

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Postby Iceagea » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:05 am

Umbratellus wrote:The issue needs a bit of work to make up its mind what it is about. Is this an issue about Neanderthals or camping? The current framing feels like two issues spliced together in a way that doesn't really make sense or work.

Let's start with the fact that Neanderthals have been extinct for tens of thousands of years at the barest minimum; why are there no options about preserving these people out of time? There are no options to allow them to remain and prevent your people from interfering, no option to study how they might have survived in this out of the way place, no hint as to what other rarities might be found down there. How is this "submerged forest" a world famous place that also has been hiding a thought-to-be extinct lineage of homo for untold thousands of years in isolation? If anything, it would make more sense to frame it as newly discovered. How are you communicating with them already? Do these Neanderthals speak your language? How are they telling you it's tribal land? Why are there no options from the tribe in question?

Breaking down each option, we have;
1. Ban campsite interference and arrest cave people
2. Ban camping and exile cave people
3. Genocide cave people
4. Bulldoze cave (?) environment to build apartments and also genocide cave people

Find an identity for your issue. Is this about camping rights? If it is, then reframe it in a more sensible manner. Maybe an environmental activist destroyed a bunch of campsites. Maybe some campers killed an endangered species without knowing about it. Take a look at places like Mount Everest now; people leave thousands of pounds of trash up there every year degrading the environment. That could be a "camping rights" issue.

If you want an issue about Neanderthals, it should to be framed that way. What rights do they have? Should they be studied? Destroyed? Preserved? Integrated into your society? Left alone?

If you want an issue about camping in indigenous land, that should focus more on actual "tribal rights" and less on cavemen.

I'd suggest really breaking down what you want the issue to be about, creating an outline of what possibilities the options should present, and then re-drafting from there.



That’s really helpful feedback, thank you, I’ll have another crack at it then I’ll either edit the post or reply to the post with a comment with the updated text.

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Postby Umbratellus » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:18 am

Iceagea wrote:That’s really helpful feedback, thank you, I’ll have another crack at it then I’ll either edit the post or reply to the post with a comment with the updated text.

Sounds good! Standard "Got Issue?" drafting form is to update the original post with the new draft and spoiler the old version, so people can see how it has changed over time.

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Postby Iceagea » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:08 pm

Sounds good! Standard "Got Issue?" drafting form is to update the original post with the new draft and spoiler the old version, so people can see how it has changed over time.

Done, inspiration hit quite quick, I went down the Neanderthal route as you can probably tell by my nations name I am quite fascinated by the Ice age. I also toned it down a bit in terms of the treatment they’d receive (at least I hope it seems that way), I don’t want to make anything sound too violent.

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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:22 am

This is an interesting idea.

Have you seen #129 'Tribal Troubles' (search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=tribal&t=88&sf=msgonly&ch=-1)? You need to make sure that this isn't too similar to that...
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