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Joker Experiment: US Politics Edition

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What’s the outcome of the event?

One boat will press the remote
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59%
One boat will attempt to escape
2
9%
Both boats choose to sacrifice themselves to re-affirm the US system
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23%
Other
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9%
 
Total votes : 22

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Infected Mushroom
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Joker Experiment: US Politics Edition

Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:18 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

The Joker Experiment from the Dark Knight happens except instead of having a boat filled with civilians and a boat filled with criminals, you have a boat filled with hardcore Democrats and a boat filled hardcore Republicans.

In the waters, you have two ferries moving around. Inside one ferry you have 100 avowed Democrats. In the other boat you have 100 hardcore Republicans.

Suddenly, both boats are hacked and stop moving and loses contact other the outside world. Both boats find that their engine rooms have been rigged to kingdom come with barrels of explosives. Both boats find a present box containing an active remote detonator. A saw-like announcement is then made stating:

1. The two boats have been rigged with explosives
2. If anyone attempts to leave a boat, he will use a master control and detonate that boat
3. After 1 hour, both boats will be simultaneously detonated by the master control unless one boat is exploded first.
4. The remote control each boat has detonates the other boat. They have 1 hour to press the button before the other boat does. The boat that goes for the button first will live.

The passengers realize they are in big trouble because months ago in another US state this same “Joker” ran a similar gig with two other boats. In that situation one boat did press the button and blow up the other boat in 25 mins, the surviving passengers WERE allowed to leave.

What happens next? Will one boat press the button (especially seeing as they know the other boat is filled with their political opposites)? Or will both boats decide “Nope. We’re all going to die then so be it. We’re not going to murder the other boat’s passengers; at the end of the day we’re all Americans.”

Or will the experiment be “ruined” when one side tries to escape instead?

If one boat does go for the bomb first, what method (voting, lottery, will of the strongest etc) will they use to decide who presses the button?

I give it 10 minutes before one side presses the button. What’s could happen is that there would a chaotic brawl over the remote and then it gets triggered.
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:23 pm

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Postby Kerwa » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:26 pm

There’s no advantage to cooperation so press the button. Defecting first is always the best strategy anyway. The only question is whether or not you can press it quickly enough.

Bonus points for deciding to jump overboard to make sure everyone dies though.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:28 pm

Kerwa wrote:There’s no advantage to cooperation so press the button. Defecting first is always the best strategy anyway. The only question is whether or not you can press it quickly enough.

Bonus points for deciding to jump overboard to make sure everyone dies though.


And how would they decide who presses the button?

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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:30 pm

I press both buttons.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:30 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kerwa wrote:There’s no advantage to cooperation so press the button. Defecting first is always the best strategy anyway. The only question is whether or not you can press it quickly enough.

Bonus points for deciding to jump overboard to make sure everyone dies though.


And how would they decide who presses the button?

Russian Roulette.
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Postby Tierra Fuego » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:32 pm

Both boats choose to sacrifice themselves to re-affirm the US system: eternal deadlock.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:36 pm

Democrats wouldn't even have started organising a debate before the Republicans blow them up.
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Postby Vikanias » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:37 pm

They both blow up. Republicans and Democrats hate each other to the spine so I’d say they blow the other up for political reasons other than survival.
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Postby Eahland » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:42 pm

So, when you take the "if neither side defects, both gain, though less than they would if only they defect" and the "if both sides defect, both sides lose" out of the Prisoner's Dilemma, it stops being a dilemma. The only question left is whether you can defect faster than the other boat.
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Postby The V I C » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:43 pm

The Republicans would hit the button before even being told they must do it to win.
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Postby Kerwa » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:46 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kerwa wrote:There’s no advantage to cooperation so press the button. Defecting first is always the best strategy anyway. The only question is whether or not you can press it quickly enough.

Bonus points for deciding to jump overboard to make sure everyone dies though.


And how would they decide who presses the button?


I’d just press it. Not waste time.

If anyone asks I’d blame Russia,

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Postby Kerwa » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:47 pm

Or maybe I’d blame China. Which boat am I on anyway?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:51 pm

Kerwa wrote:Or maybe I’d blame China. Which boat am I on anyway?


Hmmm this was written as a Look In hypothetical (where you are an outside analyst) but it could be interesting to speculate on what you would do if onboard

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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:54 pm

A few endings.
The Republicans do nothing and Assume the Democrats won't kill them, Everyone dies.
The Republicans do a quick vote by voice and blow up the Democrat boat that would be debating blowing up the other boat.
A Republican/Democrat boat strongman seizes the detonator and destroys the other.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kerwa wrote:Or maybe I’d blame China. Which boat am I on anyway?


Hmmm this was written as a Look In hypothetical (where you are an outside analyst) but it could be interesting to speculate on what you would do if onboard

Blow up the Commie boat Without a thought.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:55 pm

Eahland wrote:So, when you take the "if neither side defects, both gain, though less than they would if only they defect" and the "if both sides defect, both sides lose" out of the Prisoner's Dilemma, it stops being a dilemma. The only question left is whether you can defect faster than the other boat.


Well, supposedly most of the US still subscribes to Christianity so if they actually believed what they said they believed, not committing a sin and showing that humanity can be better should at least be considered if ultimately not done (just saying). Or do God’s commands only apply when it’s convenient? Is it all just lip service?
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Postby Eahland » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Eahland wrote:So, when you take the "if neither side defects, both gain, though less than they would if only they defect" and the "if both sides defect, both sides lose" out of the Prisoner's Dilemma, it stops being a dilemma. The only question left is whether you can defect faster than the other boat.


Well, supposedly most of the US still subscribes to Christianity so if they actually believed what they said they believed, not committing a sin and showing that humanity can be better should at least be considered if ultimately not done (just saying). Or do God’s commands only apply when it’s convenient? Is it all just lip service?

Ask the guy who claims to be a Christian and just announced that he'll murder a boat full of people "Without a thought".
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Postby Western Nebulan Empire » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:58 pm

Eternal gridlock.

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Postby Diahon » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:11 pm

trick question

the first to the button wins

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Postby Dreria » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:13 pm

They will detonate it after about one second
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:14 pm

Heloin wrote:I press both buttons.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:18 pm

Heloin wrote:I press both buttons.

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Postby Free Ravensburg » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:19 pm

Heloin wrote:I press both buttons.

At same time?
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:26 pm

Free Ravensburg wrote:
Heloin wrote:I press both buttons.

At same time?

As at the same time as can ever be accomplished thanks to special relativity.
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