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Postby Rick Perry » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:28 pm

Plus talk about auto racing like
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Bob Keselowski ARCA champion and truck series Pioneer dies at 70
Chase Elliott's First NASCAR Cup Win Could Not Come Fast Enough

WORLD OF OUTLAWS NEWS

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Controversial Finish in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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Ul Unser dead at 82

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WeatherTech Championship 2022 team tracker vol 3

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Postby Rick Perry » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:29 pm

Well I think its going to be the #5 of Kyle Larson

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:36 pm

Rick Perry wrote:Who will make it? Plus talk more about auto racing and more

You need more than a question and a sentence. How about some info on the contenders, the events, the way the champion is chosen, stuff like that.
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Rick Perry wrote:Who will make it? Plus talk more about auto racing and more

You need more than a question and a sentence. How about some info on the contenders, the events, the way the champion is chosen, stuff like that.

Thanks this is my first one

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I've only been following IMSA this year, but since GTLM is a faded category that only includes two factory Corvettes and a single Porsche RSR in most races I haven't been super invested. And the Acura has been running away with DPi.

Penske and Porsche will be putting forth another factory effort in a year or two and my nephew is being groomed by Penske for the racing teams (we have to try and talk him into moving to South Carolina should that happen. Then I'll be super invested again. Porsches killin' it in GTD, though, which is apparently the future as the ACO adopts FIA's GT3 formula.

I don't have an antennae and decided to not splurge on the trackpass for NASCAR as well as IMSA. For complicated reasons I might have to extend my trackpass for flat track motorcycle racing and I think once you have two you might as well get the package. But I don't know that I've watched a NASCAR race in a while. I generally only want to watch when they're doing road courses, but i was curious about the dirt experiment they did. I didn't read a full account but got the impression it didn't really go over well.

Mostly I just hate the whole fakeass "playoff structure" they have with Chase or whatever they call it. Also...how you gonna go to Sears Point and then bypass the carousal?

But if you find it difficult trying to find someone to talk about NASCAR (sans all the 'hot takes' of people talking about 'left turns'), try getting people to talk about endurance sports cars...at least Ford vs Ferrari told some movie goers what the 24 hours of Le Mans was...though I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't catch that Ken Miles had a co-driver.

Anyway, I guess Kyle Larson is the one to beat. I don't have any connection to the current field of drivers.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Mostly I just hate the whole fakeass "playoff structure" they have with Chase or whatever they call it.


Does anyone actually like that?

IIRC the host of NS Sports NASCAR RPs has had to explain multiple times that we have a Chase because RL NASCAR has a Chase, not because it should have a Chase. It's kinda funny watching people grouse about it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:26 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Mostly I just hate the whole fakeass "playoff structure" they have with Chase or whatever they call it.


Does anyone actually like that?

IIRC the host of NS Sports NASCAR RPs has had to explain multiple times that we have a Chase because RL NASCAR has a Chase, not because it should have a Chase. It's kinda funny watching people grouse about it.

I guess the France family? I haven't met anyone who likes it. But the parts of California I live in aren't really NASCAR country.
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Postby Rick Perry » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:32 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Mostly I just hate the whole fakeass "playoff structure" they have with Chase or whatever they call it.


Does anyone actually like that?

IIRC the host of NS Sports NASCAR RPs has had to explain multiple times that we have a Chase because RL NASCAR has a Chase, not because it should have a Chase. It's kinda funny watching people grouse about it.

Me personally not a big fan of the Playoffs. I think NASCAR Should do what IMSA or Formula1 is doing and have a unique points race with out the whole elimination process

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:03 pm

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Does anyone actually like that?

IIRC the host of NS Sports NASCAR RPs has had to explain multiple times that we have a Chase because RL NASCAR has a Chase, not because it should have a Chase. It's kinda funny watching people grouse about it.

Me personally not a big fan of the Playoffs. I think NASCAR Should do what IMSA or Formula1 is doing and have a unique points race with out the whole elimination process

They flipped out when Mark Martin won a championship by simply finishing consistently in the top 10 but not racking up a lot of wins combined with the fact that the championships were often decided by the last few races which they were worried depressed viewership as if the people watching the Firecracker 600 were going "oooo, I'm gonna see someone score some championship points" instead of, you know...wanting to see a race.

As you pointed out, every other series has stuck with the points, even though F1 generally has their championship tied up with two to three races to go. With the constantly shifting categories in IMSA championships can sometimes be decided halfway through the season. Yet, the races are still exciting. Don't know why that wasn't good enough for NASCAR. Whatever else they have going on, they have some of the closest racing going. Races can be won by any of a dozen drivers and they often come down to the last lap with cars side by side. Just lean into what you're good at, NASCAR, and quit trying to act like ball sports. You don't have 'playoffs' because everyone is competing on the same field at the same time...dumb...

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Rick Perry wrote:Me personally not a big fan of the Playoffs. I think NASCAR Should do what IMSA or Formula1 is doing and have a unique points race with out the whole elimination process

They flipped out when Mark Martin won a championship by simply finishing consistently in the top 10 but not racking up a lot of wins combined with the fact that the championships were often decided by the last few races which they were worried depressed viewership as if the people watching the Firecracker 600 were going "oooo, I'm gonna see someone score some championship points" instead of, you know...wanting to see a race.

As you pointed out, every other series has stuck with the points, even though F1 generally has their championship tied up with two to three races to go. With the constantly shifting categories in IMSA championships can sometimes be decided halfway through the season. Yet, the races are still exciting. Don't know why that wasn't good enough for NASCAR. Whatever else they have going on, they have some of the closest racing going. Races can be won by any of a dozen drivers and they often come down to the last lap with cars side by side. Just lean into what you're good at, NASCAR, and quit trying to act like ball sports. You don't have 'playoffs' because everyone is competing on the same field at the same time...dumb...

Preaching to the choir, I know. Sorry.

This is true. Sometimes its good to have playoffs. And sometimes its bad. And sometimes we don't know who will be the champion and sometimes we k ow exactly. Like this year

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:30 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:They flipped out when Mark Martin won a championship by simply finishing consistently in the top 10 but not racking up a lot of wins combined with the fact that the championships were often decided by the last few races which they were worried depressed viewership as if the people watching the Firecracker 600 were going "oooo, I'm gonna see someone score some championship points" instead of, you know...wanting to see a race.

As you pointed out, every other series has stuck with the points, even though F1 generally has their championship tied up with two to three races to go. With the constantly shifting categories in IMSA championships can sometimes be decided halfway through the season. Yet, the races are still exciting. Don't know why that wasn't good enough for NASCAR. Whatever else they have going on, they have some of the closest racing going. Races can be won by any of a dozen drivers and they often come down to the last lap with cars side by side. Just lean into what you're good at, NASCAR, and quit trying to act like ball sports. You don't have 'playoffs' because everyone is competing on the same field at the same time...dumb...

Preaching to the choir, I know. Sorry.

This is true. Sometimes its good to have playoffs. And sometimes its bad. And sometimes we don't know who will be the champion and sometimes we k ow exactly. Like this year

As long as Hamilton, Wolff, and Mercedes are together I feel like we know who is going to win the F1 championship before a single flag is dropped. It use to be just 'whoever Adrian Newey designed a car for'.

IMSA has some pretty solid walkaways. During the American Le Mans Series there was a really, really long run of the Audi R8/R10 doing parade laps in LMP and two Corvettes as the only entries in the top GT category. The only thing that was exciting in the series at the time was the lower GT category (where I was a big fan of Flying Lizards). But I still watched. I probably kept up with ALMS better than I have any series.

I guess there was that time with the Penske/Porsche LMP2 entry that threatened to take an overall win. That was pretty exciting until they changed the rules to make sure that didn't happen. That helped give the world the Cayenne as Porsche shift resources to developing the SUV and bailed on their LMP1 project. (which itself kinda became the Carrera GT...but that's all another story.)

The idea of having NASCAR Cup racing reach back to grassroots um...roots was interesting, but like I said, I didn't see their dirt race and no one seems to have thought it worked.

Motor Trend carries Australian Supercar or whatever it's called which is great because their summer is our winter so it's racing in the off season to watch and it's what I wish NASCAR was, more road racing.

Honestly I wish Trans Am as it was from like '68 to '73 or so was still a thing (though the support series for IMSA are kinda like that. There was even a point were one of them, can't remember, had the new Challenger, the new Camaro, and the Mustang all racing like it was 1970 or some shit.) World Challenge needs a better media package. It keeps moving around, I think it's on YouTube of all things now.
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Rick Perry wrote:This is true. Sometimes its good to have playoffs. And sometimes its bad. And sometimes we don't know who will be the champion and sometimes we k ow exactly. Like this year

As long as Hamilton, Wolff, and Mercedes are together I feel like we know who is going to win the F1 championship before a single flag is dropped. It use to be just 'whoever Adrian Newey designed a car for'.

IMSA has some pretty solid walkaways. During the American Le Mans Series there was a really, really long run of the Audi R8/R10 doing parade laps in LMP and two Corvettes as the only entries in the top GT category. The only thing that was exciting in the series at the time was the lower GT category (where I was a big fan of Flying Lizards). But I still watched. I probably kept up with ALMS better than I have any series.

I guess there was that time with the Penske/Porsche LMP2 entry that threatened to take an overall win. That was pretty exciting until they changed the rules to make sure that didn't happen. That helped give the world the Cayenne as Porsche shift resources to developing the SUV and bailed on their LMP1 project. (which itself kinda became the Carrera GT...but that's all another story.)

The idea of having NASCAR Cup racing reach back to grassroots um...roots was interesting, but like I said, I didn't see their dirt race and no one seems to have thought it worked.

Motor Trend carries Australian Supercar or whatever it's called which is great because their summer is our winter so it's racing in the off season to watch and it's what I wish NASCAR was, more road racing.

Honestly I wish Trans Am as it was from like '68 to '73 or so was still a thing (though the support series for IMSA are kinda like that. There was even a point were one of them, can't remember, had the new Challenger, the new Camaro, and the Mustang all racing like it was 1970 or some shit.) World Challenge needs a better media package. It keeps moving around, I think it's on YouTube of all things now.

I do agree with most thing you said, however that Bristol dirt race was the best dirt race I habe seen in a while and I thought it was really good.

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Rick Perry wrote:Plus talk about auto racing like
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Cannot think of a name wrote:As long as Hamilton, Wolff, and Mercedes are together I feel like we know who is going to win the F1 championship before a single flag is dropped. It use to be just 'whoever Adrian Newey designed a car for'.



Which is ironic considering Hamilton and Mercedes gave us probably the last actual example of a championship going down to the wire in F1.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:As long as Hamilton, Wolff, and Mercedes are together I feel like we know who is going to win the F1 championship before a single flag is dropped. It use to be just 'whoever Adrian Newey designed a car for'.



Which is ironic considering Hamilton and Mercedes gave us probably the last actual example of a championship going down to the wire in F1.

Exactly

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Cannot think of a name wrote:As long as Hamilton, Wolff, and Mercedes are together I feel like we know who is going to win the F1 championship before a single flag is dropped. It use to be just 'whoever Adrian Newey designed a car for'.



Which is ironic considering Hamilton and Mercedes gave us probably the last actual example of a championship going down to the wire in F1.

After six years of only two teams even being competitive I tuned all the way out. I actually like Hamilton, but even this season…4 winners across 15 races? And thirteen of them between just two drivers? That’s not competitive even if the two go to the wire.
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I didn't get into F1 That much until this year. The one and only reason was because we all knew who the champion would be

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Rick Perry wrote:I didn't get into F1 That much until this year. The one and only reason was because we all knew who the champion would be

I go in and out with Formula 1. The last three (two?) seasons I just skipped and instead watched the Netflix recap series they do at the end that usually includes all the driver/corporate shuffling that makes a season where only two drivers win interesting. Kind of like watching a oddly written remake of the movie Grand Prix, but with 100% less ballet sections. They don't spend as much time on the sneaky tech stuff which honestly is the most interesting thing about F1, like when someone created a brake pedal that could adjust brake bias by rotating the foot...I love the shit. The world needs more Smokey Yunicks. If you don't know that name, look it up and you're welcome.
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Rick Perry wrote:I didn't get into F1 That much until this year. The one and only reason was because we all knew who the champion would be

I go in and out with Formula 1. The last three (two?) seasons I just skipped and instead watched the Netflix recap series they do at the end that usually includes all the driver/corporate shuffling that makes a season where only two drivers win interesting. Kind of like watching a oddly written remake of the movie Grand Prix, but with 100% less ballet sections. They don't spend as much time on the sneaky tech stuff which honestly is the most interesting thing about F1, like when someone created a brake pedal that could adjust brake bias by rotating the foot...I love the shit. The world needs more Smokey Yunicks. If you don't know that name, look it up and you're welcome.

*sigh* I miss Smokey Yunicks

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Rick Perry wrote:F1 NEWS?

Aw...first the Lotus but not really Lotus thing now this.
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Rick Perry wrote:F1 NEWS?

Aw...first the Lotus but not really Lotus thing now this.

We just need Hass to be better. I feel bad because They never finish any higher the 20 and 19. Unless someone is out of the race. Also anybody hear that Rick Wear Racing will be more 'competitive' next year?

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Have you even updated the opening post? Maybe include like what is going on in the auto racing world, give us links for us to look at, and who is leading and who are the contenders (such as Verstappen vs. Lewis Hamilton).
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Outer Sparta wrote:Have you even updated the opening post? Maybe include like what is going on in the auto racing world, give us links for us to look at, and who is leading and who are the contenders (such as Verstappen vs. Lewis Hamilton).

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