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Postby Neuer California » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:04 pm

About a week old but whatever.

Yahoo wrote:A Tennessee woman has sued the federal government because child services agency with a government contract rejected her as a foster parent simply because she is a lesbian.

Kelly Easter of Nashville filed her suit last Wednesday in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. It names as defendants the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, along with several HHS officials and programs. She is represented by Lambda Legal, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the law firm of Orrick, Herrington, and Sutcliffe.

Last year, Easter expressed interest in becoming a foster parent to a refugee child through a federal program. Her inquiry to the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement was forwarded to Bethany Christian Services, the only agency handling the program in her area. Bethany turned her down because she is a lesbian, citing its policy against placing children with LGBTQ+ people.

She complained about the discrimination and asked if there might be an exception because the program is federally funded, but Bethany officials said they were bound by the policy of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, for which it is a subcontractor. She also contacted the Office of Refugee Resettlement, where staffers said they would look into the matter.

Bethany announced this year that it was lifting its discriminatory policy, and Easter made inquiries again. After some back-and-forth, she was told that the Bethany office most convenient to her home would still not allow her to foster a child because of the contract with the bishops’ conference. Bethany officials referred her to another location that is not connected with the Catholic group, but that did not work out for her because the necessary travel was incompatible with her work schedule as a real estate agent. So she filed the suit.

“There are more unaccompanied refugee children in the federal government’s care than there are eligible foster homes available for these children,” says a Lambda Legal press release. “By allowing USCCB to require its subgrantees to use religion to discriminate against LGBTQ people, the federal government is harming prospective parents and vulnerable children who are denied the opportunity to find safe, loving homes. By sanctioning and enabling discrimination and favoring certain religious beliefs, the government is violating the First and Fifth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.”

“I am heartbroken,” Easter said in the release. “It hurt to be turned away — twice — solely because of my identity. I’ve been a Christian since I was a little girl and my personal relationship with God is the most important thing to me. I also know that LGBTQ people can have thriving families and that they are as important and deserving as any other. How can the government tell me that my beliefs are wrong?

“But I’m more concerned about the children. The federal government is supposed to be helping them, but by denying a loving home to a child or young person in need, they are not doing that; they are actually hurting them. I am qualified and can provide a safe, stable home for a child. How is it better for them to stay in a group setting instead of a home with someone who can care for and support them adequately?”

“The federal government cares for thousands of immigrant children in foster care programs,” added Karen L. Loewy, senior counsel at Lambda Legal. “Ms. Easter would like to provide a safe and nurturing home to a child in need. However, our government excludes her from applying by knowingly funneling millions of dollars of taxpayer money into a child welfare organization that refuses to allow LGBTQ people to apply to be foster parents. This kind of discrimination not only hurts the people turned away — it hurts the children in these programs by reducing the number of available homes and depriving these children of the opportunity to be considered for placement in loving homes that may best serve their individual needs.”

Under Donald Trump’s administration, the federal government ceased enforcing policies against anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination by contractors providing adoption and foster care services. President Joe Biden has ordered all federal agencies to see that anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination does not take place, but Easter’s suit indicates that it is continuing.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that a Catholic agency could retain its contract to provide foster care services for the city of Philadelphia even though the agency discriminates against LGBTQ+ people, in violation of the city’s law. But the ruling was crafted narrowly to apply only in that case, therefore not establishing a general right to discriminate. Several states allow their contractors to engage in such discrimination.

A spokesperson for Health and Human Services’ Administration of Children and Families told NBC News that HHS is preparing a response to the suit and also offered a statement against discrimination. “HHS is committed to protecting the rights of LGBTQ+ individuals and ensuring access to our programs and services,” the spokesperson said.


So, was the federal govt right to deny this woman the ability to foster a child based on her sexuality? Why or why not

My answer is hell no. There's no reason to assume that LGBT individuals would make worse parents and I sincerely hope that she wins her lawsuit.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:13 pm

Neuer California wrote:About a week old but whatever.

Yahoo wrote:A Tennessee woman has sued the federal government because child services agency with a government contract rejected her as a foster parent simply because she is a lesbian.

Kelly Easter of Nashville filed her suit last Wednesday in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. It names as defendants the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, along with several HHS officials and programs. She is represented by Lambda Legal, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the law firm of Orrick, Herrington, and Sutcliffe.

Last year, Easter expressed interest in becoming a foster parent to a refugee child through a federal program. Her inquiry to the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement was forwarded to Bethany Christian Services, the only agency handling the program in her area. Bethany turned her down because she is a lesbian, citing its policy against placing children with LGBTQ+ people.

She complained about the discrimination and asked if there might be an exception because the program is federally funded, but Bethany officials said they were bound by the policy of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, for which it is a subcontractor. She also contacted the Office of Refugee Resettlement, where staffers said they would look into the matter.

Bethany announced this year that it was lifting its discriminatory policy, and Easter made inquiries again. After some back-and-forth, she was told that the Bethany office most convenient to her home would still not allow her to foster a child because of the contract with the bishops’ conference. Bethany officials referred her to another location that is not connected with the Catholic group, but that did not work out for her because the necessary travel was incompatible with her work schedule as a real estate agent. So she filed the suit.

“There are more unaccompanied refugee children in the federal government’s care than there are eligible foster homes available for these children,” says a Lambda Legal press release. “By allowing USCCB to require its subgrantees to use religion to discriminate against LGBTQ people, the federal government is harming prospective parents and vulnerable children who are denied the opportunity to find safe, loving homes. By sanctioning and enabling discrimination and favoring certain religious beliefs, the government is violating the First and Fifth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.”

“I am heartbroken,” Easter said in the release. “It hurt to be turned away — twice — solely because of my identity. I’ve been a Christian since I was a little girl and my personal relationship with God is the most important thing to me. I also know that LGBTQ people can have thriving families and that they are as important and deserving as any other. How can the government tell me that my beliefs are wrong?

“But I’m more concerned about the children. The federal government is supposed to be helping them, but by denying a loving home to a child or young person in need, they are not doing that; they are actually hurting them. I am qualified and can provide a safe, stable home for a child. How is it better for them to stay in a group setting instead of a home with someone who can care for and support them adequately?”

“The federal government cares for thousands of immigrant children in foster care programs,” added Karen L. Loewy, senior counsel at Lambda Legal. “Ms. Easter would like to provide a safe and nurturing home to a child in need. However, our government excludes her from applying by knowingly funneling millions of dollars of taxpayer money into a child welfare organization that refuses to allow LGBTQ people to apply to be foster parents. This kind of discrimination not only hurts the people turned away — it hurts the children in these programs by reducing the number of available homes and depriving these children of the opportunity to be considered for placement in loving homes that may best serve their individual needs.”

Under Donald Trump’s administration, the federal government ceased enforcing policies against anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination by contractors providing adoption and foster care services. President Joe Biden has ordered all federal agencies to see that anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination does not take place, but Easter’s suit indicates that it is continuing.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that a Catholic agency could retain its contract to provide foster care services for the city of Philadelphia even though the agency discriminates against LGBTQ+ people, in violation of the city’s law. But the ruling was crafted narrowly to apply only in that case, therefore not establishing a general right to discriminate. Several states allow their contractors to engage in such discrimination.

A spokesperson for Health and Human Services’ Administration of Children and Families told NBC News that HHS is preparing a response to the suit and also offered a statement against discrimination. “HHS is committed to protecting the rights of LGBTQ+ individuals and ensuring access to our programs and services,” the spokesperson said.


So, was the federal govt right to deny this woman the ability to foster a child based on her sexuality? Why or why not

My answer is hell no. There's no reason to assume that LGBT individuals would make worse parents and I sincerely hope that she wins her lawsuit.


Oh hey, another attempt to force religious morals on to society. The prospective mother was absolutely in the right here and was definitely discriminated against on the basis of her sexuality.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:30 pm

Azania- wrote:What happened to separation of church and state? That's a thing in the US right?

On paper: yes
In practice it is more "freedom to choose which Christian denomination you follow".
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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:33 pm

That's just outrageous. Sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with the person's ability to provide good care to children, and therefore shouldn't be taken in consideration at all.
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Postby Page » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:02 am

The most ironic thing about this is that unlike sexual orientation, religion might actually be a morally valid basis for denying fostering and adoption. Not in the sense that no Muslim or no Catholic should get a kid, but no fundamentalist of any kind should.
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Postby Cereskia 2 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Neuer California wrote:About a week old but whatever.



So, was the federal govt right to deny this woman the ability to foster a child based on her sexuality? Why or why not

My answer is hell no. There's no reason to assume that LGBT individuals would make worse parents and I sincerely hope that she wins her lawsuit.


Oh hey, another attempt to force religious morals on to society. The prospective mother was absolutely in the right here and was definitely discriminated against on the basis of her sexuality.

Yeah, I feel kinda sick of Religious people/zealots that relentlessly persecute people groups such as Gays, Trans, Lesbians and such. I don't want to see those people get oppressed just because morality.
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Postby Countesia » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:14 am

I'm honestly shocked that they were allowed to have such a discriminatory policy. Funny how they change it when they start to get heat for it.

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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:31 am

Another reason religious-based adoption services need to be a thing of the past, especially if they're getting government funds.
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Postby Dakini » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:37 am

Countesia wrote:I'm honestly shocked that they were allowed to have such a discriminatory policy. Funny how they change it when they start to get heat for it.

They "changed" the shitty policy but still referred her elsewhere and refused to help her... which sounds a lot like they didn't actually change it.

I hope she wins. Also religious organizations have no business arranging adoption or fostering of children in the first place.

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Countesia wrote:I'm honestly shocked that they were allowed to have such a discriminatory policy. Funny how they change it when they start to get heat for it.

They "changed" the shitty policy but still referred her elsewhere and refused to help her... which sounds a lot like they didn't actually change it.

I hope she wins. Also religious organizations have no business arranging adoption or fostering of children in the first place.

Some times, religion just goes too far...
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Postby Gonswanza » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:36 am

And this my friends is why I don't particularly enjoy the idea of religious-oriented choices for issues in NS (granted, that's straying off-topic already). In one way or another religion WILL skew things horribly, not based on science or law, but simply based on twisted morals and values set by whoever so desires to express their "religious" views with a large congregation of like-minded zombies to support them as a massive walking echo chamber. Ironically, the sheer convenience of such is why we also get horrid groups like WBC still mucking about.
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Postby Cedoria » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:39 am

Necroghastia wrote:Another reason religious-based adoption services need to be a thing of the past, especially if they're getting government funds.

Or at least, they should lose government funding if they practice discriminatory decision-making in ways like this.
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Yeah government ought to disentangle itself from religious orgs. of all stripes. In fact it should have more distance from all NGOs because who actually appoints those people?

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Kerwa wrote:Yeah government ought to disentangle itself from religious orgs. of all stripes. In fact, it should have more distance from all NGOs because who actually appoints those people?

Not even the pope himself, from how far they have distanced themselves from the Vatican. It just seems like anyone who can shout loud enough and sound the most convincing can declare themselves as the rightful mouthpiece of god himself, in spite of presenting themselves as a false idol (which is against the Bible, Quran, and Torah), per the very books they claim to follow.

Ironic, no?
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Azania- wrote:What happened to separation of church and state? That's a thing in the US right?

Separation of church and state is irrelevant here.
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Azania- wrote:What happened to separation of church and state? That's a thing in the US right?

Separation of church and state is irrelevant here.

The agency was receiving federal funding. It is very relevant.
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I think we're going to continue seeing conservatives and/or Christians emboldened by the new makeup of the Supreme Court to try to erode our rights. First abortion in Texas and now this. It's just a loud minority but they're unhappy that we've won our equality.
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Necroghastia wrote:
Karolengia wrote:Separation of church and state is irrelevant here.

The agency was receiving federal funding. It is very relevant.


Even the UK which has a state church doesn't have adoption agencies that do this

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Pretty sure that's illegal. She'll probably win and I hope she does.
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Lady Victory wrote:Pretty sure that's illegal. She'll probably win and I hope she does.

Yeah... Hopefully she does
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Necroghastia wrote:Another reason religious-based adoption services need to be a thing of the past, especially if they're getting government funds.

Or at least, they should lose government funding if they practice discriminatory decision-making in ways like this.

Shouldn't "separation of church and state" imply religious institutions shouldn't get public funding, with or without discriminatory decision-making?

Homophobia isn't the worst effect of religion. Just ask anyone waiting on their deathbed for cures embryonic stem cell research could've given them if religion hadn't gotten in the way. If they get to cut lives short because they don't want their tax dollars going to something they object to for religious reasons, why should our tax dollars go to anything affiliated with religion?
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Countesia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:The agency was receiving federal funding. It is very relevant.


Even the UK which has a state church doesn't have adoption agencies that do this

The US does not have a state church, which is as far as the first amendment goes on that matter strictly speaking. The founders never intended that the public square ever exclude people of faith.
Subsequent liberal interpretations have muddied the waters and set dangerous precedents towards state atheism, but never mind that now.

I think what has happened here starting with poorly managed immigration, is that even with what additional federal funding was offered, this Bethany outfit were the only ones to step up and tackle the problem in its area.
Considering that the federal government is notorious for excercising a dollar's worth of control over anyone taking a penny from it, I imagine the feds will jerk the leash eventually, and the adoption agency will fall in line, or close its doors.
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GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Cedoria wrote:Or at least, they should lose government funding if they practice discriminatory decision-making in ways like this.

Shouldn't "separation of church and state" imply religious institutions shouldn't get public funding, with or without discriminatory decision-making?

No that's not at all what separation of church and state implies. The latter is separate to the concept of separation of church and state, a theocracy could have anti-discrimination laws if it wanted to. Separation of church and state simply means that there is no state church and that the federal government cannot privilege any religion or religious institution. As Forensic Reality noted, it was never intended to exclude people of faith from public life.

This court case will *likely* succeed not because it is a violation of separation of church & state, but a violation of existing anti-discrimination laws.
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