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Kiu Ghesik
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[r] flamebaiting, malicious quote editing in f7

Postby Kiu Ghesik » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:56 pm

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United Australasian Commonwealth wrote:Every Time someone points out the obvious Weeaboo or Wehraboo content that the AN has , they cry about it and deny it

for example
I'm not a neo-Nazi, nor am I one of those crazy Wehraboos who is pretty much a closeted Nazi.
I appreciate the AESTHETIC of the German military. Sorry that my childhood revolved around looking at cool models of Tiger Is and Shermans.

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Why I'm I one of those crazy Wehraboos who is pretty much a closeted Nazi.
I appreciate the German military.

See so please stop denying that you are a Wehraboo , of course this is coming from another Weeaboo nation that is a combination of the British Commonwealth , Apartheid South Africa and the Soviet Union however it is played for satire and the fact that Apartheid still ends in 1994

this whole post seems designed pretty much just to flamebait azur deutschland by editing their quote to imply azur holds horrendous views. not to mention, it's just generally offensive in its posture towards azur.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:05 pm

Just to bring some pertinent information for the Mods: the "quote" that is being edited is not an actual quote by Azur at all, it's a fictitious quote that United Australasian Commonwealth has created and then "changed"; searching Azur's posts for part of the "original quote" shows that it actually doesn't exist: search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=nor+am+I+one+of+those+crazy+Wehraboos+who+is+pretty+much+a+closeted+Nazi.&author_id=1378716
Edit: it was in their factbooks rather than on the forums, that was not made clear in the report.
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Postby United Australasian Commonwealth » Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:23 pm

What I did was Just explain why I felt it was the scariest thing about Azur because People who have been known to like the Aesthetic of Nazi Germany have been arrested for doing so in Germany and the fact that when they deny it it is plain obvious that Wehraboos haven been called out on the internet even when they try to deny it

though to be fair I went too far with pointing it out but still Wehraboos have been known to exist and thus have been called out



Also They brought up my usage of the Ghesites even when I moved on and stopped with using them and created my own indigenous people and what I did was just point out the obvious fact
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Postby Tsaivao » Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:35 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Just to bring some pertinent information for the Mods: the "quote" that is being edited is not an actual quote by Azur at all, it's a fictitious quote that United Australasian Commonwealth has created and then "changed"; searching Azur's posts for part of the "original quote" shows that it actually doesn't exist: search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=nor+am+I+one+of+those+crazy+Wehraboos+who+is+pretty+much+a+closeted+Nazi.&author_id=1378716

Slight correction: Azur did actually say the first part, it's in one of their dispatches. So it's still malicious quote editing
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Postby Benin-Wuri » Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:37 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Just to bring some pertinent information for the Mods: the "quote" that is being edited is not an actual quote by Azur at all, it's a fictitious quote that United Australasian Commonwealth has created and then "changed"; searching Azur's posts for part of the "original quote" shows that it actually doesn't exist: search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=nor+am+I+one+of+those+crazy+Wehraboos+who+is+pretty+much+a+closeted+Nazi.&author_id=1378716

The quote in question comes from one of Azur's factbooks: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1472872

EDIT: Someone else already pointed this out
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Postby United Australasian Commonwealth » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:06 pm

United Australasian Commonwealth wrote:What I did was Just explain why I felt it was the scariest thing about Azur because People who have been known to like the Aesthetic of Nazi Germany have been arrested for doing so in Germany and the fact that when they deny it it is plain obvious that Wehraboos haven been called out on the internet even when they try to deny it

though to be fair I went too far with pointing it out but still Wehraboos have been known to exist and thus have been called out



Also They brought up my usage of the Ghesites even when I moved on and stopped with using them and created my own indigenous people and what I did was just point out the obvious fact


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United Australasian Commonwealth wrote:snip

Says the summerposter who likes stealing content from other people, like 'Ghesites'.
How about you fuck off?
People like you are exactly the reason why I have that dispatch. Thanks for providing even more reason for it to exist.

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I stopped using the Ghesites and instead created my own indigenous people
Then he tells me to F off , I also shown the original quote and I stopped using the Ghesites but he still thinks I use them when I do not use them anymore after I realize that they were not mine , It wasn’t for malicious intent but just Good natured fun but if I did offend Azur I apologize but that is not how you respond.
Also He calls me a Summer Poster but I was not flame Baiting but just having fun
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Postby Azur Deutschland » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:33 pm

Yes, I fell for the flamebait, but you shouldn't have put out that flamebait to begin with.
No matter how you cut it, no matter how you try and excuse it, your post held the intent to piss me off by calling me a Nazi and claiming I hold disgusting, destructive views, all just because of what I based my nation on.
There is no way that could be 'just for fun'.

I'm not a damn Nazi. I fucking hate Nazis. Holy hell.
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Postby United Australasian Commonwealth » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:40 pm

Azur Deutschland wrote:Yes, I fell for the flamebait, but you shouldn't have put out that flamebait to begin with.
No matter how you cut it, no matter how you try and excuse it, your post held the intent to piss me off by calling me a Nazi and claiming I hold disgusting, destructive views, all just because of what I based my nation on.
There is no way that could be 'just for fun'.

I'm not a damn Nazi. I fucking hate Nazis. Holy hell.



Well I’m sorry for the Flamebait I know it’s my fault and I will not do that again but the stuff about me using Ghesites is just plain wrong because I already got rid off them after I realized what I did was just copyright infringement
So I just used the Joketsuzoku from Ranma 1/2 as the Native Peoples of Australasia along with other groups instead. I’m just trying to rebrand this nation as a Anime Nation but I know what I did was wrong . However saying that I still use Ghesites is also equally just as bad as what I did
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:36 pm

was this ruled non-actionable

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Postby Santheres » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:50 am

Kiu Ghesik wrote:was this ruled non-actionable


Flamebaiting would probably be actionable; malicious quote editing would not be as the original quote was included. However, it seems like the parties sorted it out between themselves, so I see no reason to engage on the subject further since mod actions aren't for scoring points.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:01 pm

Santheres wrote:Flamebaiting would probably be actionable; malicious quote editing would not be as the original quote was included. However, it seems like the parties sorted it out between themselves, so I see no reason to engage on the subject further since mod actions aren't for scoring points.

So a probable actionable offence is allowed because people have 'sorted it out', you sure you want to open that box of fun? What about the average player that doesn't read the full topic and feels that since this is ok, they can post similar?

I have no points to score beyond a questionable mod decision so i'll go the old second opinion route (I know its up to a mod to decide if it warrants one). Just to note, i'm not overly bothered about the offence in question, its the 'scoring points' dismissal and overall attitude that's worried me about the ruling.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:28 pm

Second opinion: Not actionable.

This topic did not have a mod opinion because it wasn't enough for either a warning or a dismissal. The absence of a response after nearly two weeks reflects the fact that no mod felt it was something that needed addressing, so they left it for other mods to look at.

Drop Your Pants wrote:So a probable actionable offence is allowed

I review every new post in moderation on a daily basis, so I probably looked at this report at least 5 times. I never considered it actionable. I haven't spoken to the rest of the team, but that is typically the outcome of 'ignored threads'. None of us considered it "a probable actionable offence" or they would would have ruled accordingly.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:41 am

Santheres wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:was this ruled non-actionable


Flamebaiting would probably be actionable; malicious quote editing would not be as the original quote was included. However, it seems like the parties sorted it out between themselves, so I see no reason to engage on the subject further since mod actions aren't for scoring points.

Frisbeeteria wrote:None of us considered it "a probable actionable offence" or they would would have ruled accordingly.

I'm confused Fris, is the bolded part not referring to the reported post?
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:00 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Santheres wrote:
Flamebaiting would probably be actionable; malicious quote editing would not be as the original quote was included. However, it seems like the parties sorted it out between themselves, so I see no reason to engage on the subject further since mod actions aren't for scoring points.

Frisbeeteria wrote:None of us considered it "a probable actionable offence" or they would would have ruled accordingly.

I'm confused Fris, is the bolded part not referring to the reported post?


It's saying "were this flamebaiting, it would be actionable", with the implication that they don't think it's either flamebaiting or actionable.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:11 pm

It's more that "would probably be actionable" meant that it could have warranted a tell-off from a mod. With mild offences that just warrant a knock it off, we generally won't intervene if it looks like the involved parties have patched things up. When it's a warnable/bannable offence, then we would generally still intervene.

We could have been a bit clearer on that.

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:53 pm

Cheers Sedge, i'll drop it.
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