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Postby LoFi Banana » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:09 pm

This thread is about is about watching someone completely fail at life by making all the wrong decisions, rejecting good advice, and ultimately causing their own little apocalypse.

I have a cousin who has basically been doing this for the past several years. From what I understand, he was a decent student in his freshman and sophomore years of high school, but by his junior year he started hanging out with some questionable classmates of his. These were the type that parents usually try to stop their kids from associating with (they skipped class, smoked, did drugs, etc.). As he starting hanging out with these people and participating in their activities, his grades naturally took a dive and he ultimately graduated high school at almost the bottom of his class. Around this time, he became addicted to cannabis and began smoking weed everyday. He went to college, but dropped out after the first semester, passing one of the 3 classes he took that for semester. His parents were very disappointed and held an intervention for him. It seemingly worked at first, but it later became evident that he was still smoking weed and associating with people of questionable character.

He is now 24 years old. He has never gone back to school and is unemployed. His only work experience is two seasonal part-time jobs (one in 2017 and one in 2018), but he was fired from both of them because of his poor work ethic and lack of punctuality. Despite the insistence of his parents, he refuses to put any serious effort into looking for work or even trying to go back to school. They have held several interventions at this point, all failed. They even tried to get him professional help about his cannabis addiction, but he refused. While his parents stopped giving him an allowance years ago, he still gets his cannabis from his friends. Last year, he totaled his car when he rear-ended someone while he was driving while high. He was arrested and now has a criminal record for it. Yet, even a weekend in jail didn't seem to phase him. To this day he continues to just spend his time playing video games, smoking cannabis, gaining weight (he now weighs almost 300 pounds), and basically just leeching off his parents who are now seriously thinking of just kicking him out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that his story is probably going to end badly. With his refusal to change and his strong cannabis addiction, he seems to have long passed the point of no return.

Needless to say that he has been causing my family a lot of stress. I remember he used to be a very cool guy, now he has become this. It's sad.

Have any of you ever been unfortunate enough to witness a friend or family member totally ruin their life and pass the point of no return? How did you deal with the stress it caused? Is it wrong to still care even when you know that person not only doesn't care about his/her family or friends, but doesn't even care about themselves anymore?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:34 pm

Thankfully no. However, from afar, I have seen glimpses of one of my cousins' mistakes and I'm going out on a limb and say his immediate family has suffered a lot watching him. Especially his dad.

There isn't much you can do. We all make choices and the person, as much as you may love them, has made theirs. All you can do is carry on. People can definitely change, but only if they want to, not because others want them to.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:38 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Thankfully no. However, from afar, I have seen glimpses of one of my cousins' mistakes and I'm going out on a limb and say his immediate family has suffered a lot watching him. Especially his dad.

There isn't much you can do. We all make choices and the person, as much as you may love them, has made theirs. All you can do is carry on. People can definitely change, but only if they want to, not because others want them to.

You can't change people, people can change themselves, but they have to want to in an adult willing to work way, not a childish " this is what I want", way
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:27 pm

The economic systems are such that for someone to win out, someone else has to lose. If you're not very successful yourself, you don't have the answers either, and don't be assuming that your path to success can be someone else's. If someone becomes homeless, so be it. They'll find a way or they won't. None of it truly matters. Work is just mundane tasks/bullshit that needs to be done for the outside world to function or for someone else to profit, that we haven't figured out a way to automate out of existence.

The perfect business model is one that doesn't require any payroll but is all capital and profits.

Perhaps he's living his best life in not becoming a wage slave for as long as is possible.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:41 pm

Literally everyone here spends at least some of their slowly dwindling lives posting on NSG.

Maybe we shouldn't throw stones?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:47 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Literally everyone here spends at least some of their slowly dwindling lives posting on NSG.

Maybe we shouldn't throw stones?

You just use Schöningen spears anyway.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:52 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Literally everyone here spends at least some of their slowly dwindling lives posting on NSG.

Maybe we shouldn't throw stones?


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Postby Luziyca » Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:57 pm

I've pissed away just about half my life on this site so... I'm not exactly the one to judge, particularly given I haven't really done paid work yet, and I'm still in university.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:03 pm

Luziyca wrote:I've pissed away just about half my life on this site so... I'm not exactly the one to judge, particularly given I haven't really done paid work yet, and I'm still in university.


If your university path post graduation doesn't pay off, your options are to work at the worst jobs out there or to not work for long enough like I have.
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Postby Tierra Fuego » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:06 pm

Nobody wants to fail at life unless they have no better options. Mixing this word failure with the phrase personal choice doesn't compute so good.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:16 pm

Tierra Fuego wrote:Nobody wants to fail at life unless they have no better options. Mixing this word failure with the phrase personal choice doesn't compute so good.

More like people chose to ignore the reality of the situation and chose to believe that they are not failing in life. There's always opportunities to make a living, you just gotta look.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:18 pm

Tierra Fuego wrote:Nobody wants to fail at life unless they have no better options. Mixing this word failure with the phrase personal choice doesn't compute so good.

Living in moms basement at 30 and not working is a personal choice.
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Postby LoFi Banana » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:21 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Thankfully no. However, from afar, I have seen glimpses of one of my cousins' mistakes and I'm going out on a limb and say his immediate family has suffered a lot watching him. Especially his dad.

There isn't much you can do. We all make choices and the person, as much as you may love them, has made theirs. All you can do is carry on. People can definitely change, but only if they want to, not because others want them to.


That's true. And I guess one good thing that can come from seeing a person fail at life is that you learn from their mistakes and can better prevent your own downfall. I am definitely taking notes on my cousin.

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:25 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:There's always opportunities to make a living, you just gotta look.


There isn't if you're not good at anything and if you genuinely can't enjoy anything you come across such that you consistently get fired or fail to get hired when you do bother to try. A ton of the "passive income" methods people push are really just nonsense or only applicable to some narrow portion of people out there.

Its safe to say that most people can't become some big Youtube big shot or some Cryptocurrency wizard or write a book people want to buy and etc. Just as most people won't have the means to start their own business and try to be an entrepreneur if the only thing they can hope to do is trade time for money.

There are also situations where someone simply won't find work to be had unless they move elsewhere.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:50 pm

I swear I've seen this exact thread before.

LoFi Banana wrote:With his refusal to change and his strong cannabis addiction, he seems to have long passed the point of no return.

Rock and roll dude.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:54 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:There's always opportunities to make a living, you just gotta look.


There isn't if you're not good at anything and if you genuinely can't enjoy anything you come across such that you consistently get fired or fail to get hired when you do bother to try.

Then in the words of the Dark Soul philosophers, "git gud".
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Postby Heloin » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:56 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
There isn't if you're not good at anything and if you genuinely can't enjoy anything you come across such that you consistently get fired or fail to get hired when you do bother to try.

Then in the words of the Dark Soul philosophers, "git gud".

Try jumping.

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:50 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:Then in the words of the Dark Soul philosophers, "git gud".


There is no doing that if this often costs money/time someone might not have. The farther down in status you are, the more obstacles are placed in your way in a bid to prevent you from ever getting upward economic mobility. Its far easier to go down than to climb up in social status. I'm not about to take out a loan for example, to go to college again for 4 years instead of 2 years, if I got burned the first time.

I don't see any value or purpose in work. Chances are your time is going to be far more valuable than whatever anyone might pay you. The only work that should ever be done is if you want housing or have bills to pay for the lifestyle that you want. Otherwise, take the time off you can get away with or quit/retire early if you've built a big enough nest egg via living far below your means and investing the difference.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:58 pm

Oh all the time.

I might even be an example myself. Did a liberal arts degree, messed around too much, couldn’t find work after graduation. So why not? Let’s go to law school. Within a few years realized I hated it but was in “too deep” to quit. Got further addicted to video games to deal with the massive void and angst but that only made things worse.

I did land a job at a law firm but I lasted 1 year. Within months, they hated me, I hated them. The place was filled with passive-aggressive (sometimes overtly) self-hating bullies. People “joked” about my appearance and killing me, they demanded excessive face time (if you didn’t show up over weekends they gave you venom the next week, they actually checked the computer records one day to verify that I was there on a Saturday because my manager went “no you weren’t there, I didn’t see you”), people of all ranks get dressed down, and the only joy many people seemed to have was in seeing the suffering of the other side in court. There was an egregiously vicious, acrimonious incident near the end that to this day I cannot talk about. I took it personally, very personally so much so I vowed to get out of law practice no matter the cost.

This was followed by 2-3 years of non-employment and living off parents and further escalating video game addiction.

And now I am 3 years into teaching children English and quite honestly, it is it’s own type of hell. At least the suicidal thoughts have gone but at times it feels like being trapped on a ongoing wheel of torture.

When people inevitably come up to me and say “You went to law school, and now you’re doing this?” My default and heartfelt reply is: “It could be much worse.”

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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:03 pm

Something about "It's a trainwreck. You know people are going to get seriously hurt or die, but you can't stop watching it even if you really try to."

I visit some channels and celebrities now and then to go "Yup, that aged well! /s" but at the end of it, I don't really do it as much. I feel bad, even if someone did that to themselves by going down the spiral.
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Postby -SARS- » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:16 pm

LoFi Banana wrote:Have any of you ever been unfortunate enough to witness a friend or family member totally ruin their life and pass the point of no return? How did you deal with the stress it caused? Is it wrong to still care even when you know that person not only doesn't care about his/her family or friends, but doesn't even care about themselves anymore?


Who says he has passed the point of no return? Some people do turn their lives around after being really far down.

His parents should put their foot down, though. Tell him he has a month to enroll in professional help, improve his self-discipline on his own, or move out. Let him choose which issue(s) to work on first -- the weed, the video games, the weight, or unemployment -- but make it clear that maintaining the status quo is not an option. If he can't quit the weed, maybe he could start helping out more around the house or get an exercise routine going. But set a hard deadline to kick him out if there is no improvement, and stick to it.

In your OP, I think you focus too heavily on the weed. Weed is not very addictive, so your cousin probably has a psychological addiction, not a physical dependency. Food addiction and video game addiction are also psychological addictions. Your cousin could easily be addicted to all three -- food, gaming, and weed -- and if you focus exclusively on the weed, it does not solve the problem. You need to look at the whole picture.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:24 am

Saiwania wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Then in the words of the Dark Soul philosophers, "git gud".


There is no doing that if this often costs money/time someone might not have. The farther down in status you are, the more obstacles are placed in your way in a bid to prevent you from ever getting upward economic mobility. Its far easier to go down than to climb up in social status. I'm not about to take out a loan for example, to go to college again for 4 years instead of 2 years, if I got burned the first time.

Investing in yourself, is an investment. No shit its going to cost money. Just be happy things like scholarships exist for those who prove their something worth investing in.

I don't see any value or purpose in work.

Work = money. You do work to make money. Money has value. If you want valuable things, you often have to work to get the monetary value to purchase said item. The entire purpose of working is to generate money.

Chances are your time is going to be far more valuable than whatever anyone might pay you.

No its not. The value of your time, is based upon what you do with it. If you play games all day, that time wasn't that valuable. Which is why for successful people, entertainment is usually first on the chopping block.

The only work that should ever be done is if you want housing or have bills to pay for the lifestyle that you want. Otherwise, take the time off you can get away with or quit/retire early if you've built a big enough nest egg via living far below your means and investing the difference.

Yeah, and people more often than not want a lifestyle that is more expensive what they currently have. So you gotta work that grind.
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